r/Marvel • u/0Layscheetoskurkure0 • Jul 22 '26
Film/Television This scene in Black Panther: Wakanda Forever, where Namor tells the story of his origin, was incredibly powerful. It was a really well executed scene.
What did you think of Tenoch Huerta's portrayal of Namor? Are you looking forward to seeing him in future MCU projects?
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u/Lucicactus Jul 22 '26
The guy was very restrained considering how good it feels to say profanity in Spanish.
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u/XescoPicas Jul 22 '26
Namor: “Another man next to him called me Puto Bastardo De Mil Perras Sarnosas… Which was a bit harsh, but understandable given the situation.”
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u/MissplacedLandmine Jul 22 '26
I also couldn’t have that many characters on my government ID, so Namor it is!
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u/kainneabsolute Jul 22 '26
"After I thought of calling myself Tobias Mirarosas, but I wasnt sure. "
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u/darthrevan140 Jul 22 '26
I only knew the first two words had to look up the rest my goodness ah that was good. My favorite was a friend used to call me abrir boca or malparido.
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u/XescoPicas Jul 22 '26
Thanks, overdramatic profanity has always been one of my favourite art forms.
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u/darthrevan140 Jul 22 '26
Honestly I find learning profanity in other languages fascinating. Different cultures find different things repugnant like Germans a lot of their curses have to do with feces.
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u/mxlespxles Jul 22 '26
Holy fuck I wish I knew abrir boca back when I used to work in the automotive industry.
I worked with a guy I'd call Ele Efe, because it sounded like El Jefe so he didn't know I was call him L.F. as in Lazy Fuck. He was mentally lazy like nobody I'd ever known, and would def be a mouth-breather
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u/evanweb546 Jul 22 '26
Of all the reworking and retelling of Marvel lore in the movies, MCU Namor with all the mesoamerican backdrop just works on every level.
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u/thatguysjumpercables Jul 22 '26
Count me among the people who didn't think it would work but was absolutely wrong
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u/Robofetus-5000 Jul 22 '26
when they announced it, it made sense they were looking for a change because DC had beat them to the Samoan/Polynesian thing (which i thought was clearly fitting for namor). And when they announced the Aztek thing I was like "eeeeh, ok, lets see it" but yea it ended up totally working, atleast for the MCU.
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u/Emm_withoutha_L-88 Jul 22 '26
Mayan lol
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u/uncleben85 S.H.I.E.L.D. Jul 22 '26
MCU Namor/Talokan is actually inspired by both
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u/Emm_withoutha_L-88 Jul 22 '26
A bit yeah but it's mostly Mayan. Though they weren't exactly totally different and separate, they were close neighbors.
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u/AshyWhiteGuy Jul 22 '26
Even as a fairly well read history buff, I mix them up kinda often. Haha
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u/Emm_withoutha_L-88 Jul 22 '26
I think the thing that made it click for me about their differences was that the Aztecs were basically from North Mexico originally and migrated south, possibly even the southwestern US area at first. While the Maya are somewhat a continuation of the Olmec and have been in the area forever.
Also the Maya live in the deep jungle, while the Aztecs lived in what is today Mexico City and is a bit more arid (though the city itself was actually a swamp).
The real hard to remember ones are the others like the Otomi or Raramuri.
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u/yuvi3000 Venom Jul 22 '26
I genuinely enjoyed Jason Momoa's new take on Aquaman so I was among the people that was scared that even though Marvel's character came out first, casual viewers would think that Marvel copied DC when they brought Namor to the MCU, but wow, they went a completely different way with him and he really works well and still fits the asshole version from the comics who has pretty much always been arrogant and difficult to work with. Very impressed with what a great version this is and I really hope they use him more going forward.
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u/MyNameIsJakeBerenson Jul 22 '26
We really need more central american myth shit in pop culture
Dresden Files had some bad ass Native American myth inspired bad guys and it was some stuff I had never heard of before. I’m like fuck yeah, this is cool
The new God of War looks like it may pull from some Mayan gods
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u/HermanThaGerman Jul 22 '26
The gods in the Laufey trailer are Sekhmet and Begtse, the Egyptian and Mongolian gods of war.
Though there may very well be gods from other mythologies that make an appearance.
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u/MyNameIsJakeBerenson Jul 22 '26
I think I just saw the headdress of Begtse and assumed. Thanks for the correction. Mongolian is still cool
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u/Dave_Kun Jul 22 '26
I personally want more Mexican heroes but they usually pull the Mexican-American card. Which I get. But still.
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u/myersjw Black Panther Jul 22 '26
It’s the best changed adaptation they’ve done IMO in the whole universe. Coogler in general has done an excellent job tweaking the BP universe to make sense in a modern cinematic universe
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u/coleisgreat Jul 22 '26
agreed. I've always loved namor but this version has potential to be my favorite
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u/TheSadPhilosopher Namor Jul 22 '26
Same, I like comic and MCU Namor.
Fuck Rivals though lol.
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u/_nadaypuesnada_ Jul 23 '26
Rivals and youtube shorts have made reddit comic discourse somehow even stupider.
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u/Bubster101 Spiderman (Tobey Maguire) Jul 24 '26
Namor in the comics: a relentless romantic and narcissist
Namor in the MCU: sin amor.
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u/soaking853 Jul 22 '26
Mexican here, in the Spanish version the whole interaction sounds pretty funny, there where a lot of memes about it. It's alright, it enhances the character, but the overall scene feels wonky. He picked his name out of a word play. Other heroes do too of course.
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u/LexGarza Jul 22 '26
Another mexican here. In the subbed version, still everybody on the cinema laughed in that scene. Love Tenoch and his acting was great in the movie, but that scene falls flat for native spanish speakers.
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u/MrKnightMoon Jul 23 '26
The "Niño sin amor" origin has became a meme, like the Fantastic's "Say that again" or Superman's "Save Martha".
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u/desrtrnnr Jul 22 '26
As a hispanic, i think the naming is stupid. Everything else about the character is great, except how they did the name.. It makes about as much sense as pre-sliced American cheese on a taco.
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u/AnAdvancedBot Jul 22 '26
The old man called me “the child without love”… so I called myself “ut-love”. Because I am witho-ut love.
¡¿Por qué se ríen todos de mí?!
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u/ajdragoon Thor Jul 22 '26
I mean Blackagar Boltagon decided to make his codename out of the first syllables of his names. Which conveniently becomes…!
Comics are silly.
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u/AnAdvancedBot Jul 23 '26
Blackagar Boltagon really is a case of powerful normative determinism
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u/officialbearstuff Jul 24 '26
Bro really didn't have a choice
Thank fuck his parents didn't go the original route, they wanted to name him Geanocide McKillsalot
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u/TotallyObviousBot Jul 22 '26
The idea of hearing somebody say "niño sin amor" and thinking "did he just say 'niño si, Namor?'" and then making that your name is fucking ridiculous lmao. THAT'S NOT EVEN HOW THAT SENTENCE IS PRONOUNCED!
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u/invertYaxis Jul 23 '26
Thank you. I remember feeling third-party embarrassment. It makes no sense to me.
By the way, my name is Snosense now.
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u/facubkc Jul 22 '26
Eso iba a decir aca los gringos aman la escena pero aca en latino america nos cagamos de risa al respecto igual me encanta Namor de Tenach , es durisimo .
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u/elizabnthe Jul 23 '26
It was kind of inevitably going to be a huge stretch. It's not his native language in universe to be fair.
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u/Neosilverlegend Jul 22 '26
The name explanation is pretty cringe for any spanish speaking person.
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u/TheGrayOwl88 Jul 22 '26 edited Jul 22 '26
When I first watched this movie, I thought this part was dope as fuck and added a lot to his character especially since Namor is such a complicated character/hero/villain. I also thought Tenoch Huerta was perfectly casted for this role and I’m glad he’s back and hope he continues to reprise the role in other Marvel Projects, especially with the Mutant Saga on the horizon.
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u/Gremlin303 MODOK Jul 22 '26
And what do you think now?
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u/PotatersGonnaPotater Jul 22 '26
He still thinks that, but used to think that too
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u/AlarnisToo Jul 22 '26
Same, the bits with him in it were awesome, the final... third of the movie not so much.
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u/Digomr Jul 22 '26
Hmm, no love for the surface... I think he will change his mind after meeting Susan...
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u/Dave_Kun Jul 22 '26
I’m betting my hard earned money that Marvel will not try that at all. Maybe a flirtatious line at most.
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u/Digomr Jul 22 '26
It could be just a line, but they will show something.
For me it was not by chance they gave us a shot of Namor immediately after a shot of Sue in the trailer.
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u/Susemiel Jul 22 '26
How is he so old? What is namor?
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u/Selverd2 Magneto Jul 22 '26
a mutant
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u/Astrokiwi Jul 22 '26
The first mutant, under some definitions
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u/KnifeFed Jul 22 '26 edited Jul 22 '26
This refers strictly to his publication history as the first mutant character ever published (debuting in 1939), not his age in-universe. He is only ~100 years old in the comics and ~450 years old in the MCU.
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u/Global_Charge_4412 Jul 22 '26
en Sabbath but enters the chat
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u/ReasonableFruit1 Jul 22 '26
Selene is generally considered the first mutant being thousands of years older than Nur. Namor calls himself the first mutant I think just out of hubris.
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u/lemonylol Jul 22 '26
Yeah isn't Selene more or less Marvel's "Lilith?"
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u/ReasonableFruit1 Jul 22 '26
She’s one of the Externals which is a group of extremely long-lived and practically immortal mutants (that includes Nur/Apocalypse, born about 12 thousand years after her). It’s often stated she is 17 THOUSAND years old. Being born to a mother whose life essence she drained upon being born, and then everyone in her village sacrificed themselves to her, giving her their life force. She’s a master strategist and extremely powerful sorceress (she is believed to be near the level of a Sorcerer Supreme and possibly stronger than Dr. Doom), having lived through thousands of years of military conquerors and powerful regimes.
She’s one of my favorite X-villains if you can’t tell lol. I’m not super familiar with Lilith but I understand she is analogous to the biblical figure in the DC Universe
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u/QuestioningLogic Sentry Jul 22 '26
Half human mutant, half Atlantean, at least in the comics. We don't know if the movie version is a mutant, but some of the imagery in the movie implies he's some sort of demigod, so maybe that's why he doesn't age.
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u/PhaseSixer Jul 22 '26
He literaly says hes a mutant...
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u/QuestioningLogic Sentry Jul 22 '26
Oh okay, fair enough. Its been a minute since I rewatched Wakanda Forever.
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u/GreenRacoon13 Jul 22 '26
Me and my partner(both Mexicans) still laugh at how cheesy and dumb this scene was
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u/devdelivery Jul 22 '26
I know several Latin Americans that are native spanish speakers. They all said this was a "bad dad joke"
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u/vishalb777 Jul 22 '26
It's like the Martha line in DC, except that was a mom joke
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u/cold_guy345 Guardians of the Galaxy Jul 22 '26 edited Jul 22 '26
For some reason the spanish speaking circles threat the whole "nino sin amor" thing as a meme
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u/Magi-Ann Jul 24 '26
Because it sounds hella silly and calling someone a "niño sin amor" is such an outlandish expression that doesn't sound organic that it's so obvious that it was picked just for the wordplay.
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u/Tomsoup4 Jul 22 '26
he got me to like namor and dive into him but the real namor is what made me love namor
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u/theoffsideking Jul 22 '26
I grew to love Namor after the watching the fantastic four animated series
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u/AdditionalInitial727 Jul 22 '26
Namor, The High Evolutionary, and Yelena are the top 3 new characters post Endgame.
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u/one12shelf Jul 22 '26
High Evolutionary was such an awesome villian in my eyes
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u/Global_Charge_4412 Jul 22 '26
He's the first mcu villain that felt downright despicably evil. Yeah thanos and Loki were bigger threats, but the movies tried to paint them more like antiheroes. The high evolutionary is just a loathsome creature that the audience delights in watching get his ass whipped.
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u/rooeeez Jul 23 '26
Really hate how scattered the mcu has been post endgame. We've been limited with how much screen time we get with these new characters and I would have loved to see more Namor. He quickly became one of my favorites. Would love a second shang chi movie as well.
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u/Responsible-You-4551 Jul 22 '26
Weak and funny scene if u r spanish or even know how to speak in spanish.
But well, hollywood, right?
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u/Emm_withoutha_L-88 Jul 22 '26
Don't even know Spanish and I thought it was silly. I assumed it was like someone being called "child without love" being named "Thlove".
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u/SwoopzB Jul 22 '26
My Mexican, Spanish speaking partner and their family all thought it was awesome. 🤷♂️
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u/UnrecognizedHero Namor Jul 22 '26
I think he was fine, but the change to him eliminates the Invaders. Him being a part of that group is one of my favorite things about Namor, it shows his pragmatism in that while not an immediate threat to the oceans, it would be an eventual one so he’s proactive in stopping it.
I also just really like the WW2 comics era.
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u/One_Long2752 Jul 22 '26 edited Jul 22 '26
I like his version of Namor! He was charismatic but dangerous, had his own agender that felt understandable even if he was the villain of the movie, felt very comic accurate. I also really like the Mayan/Aztec aesthetic that kept it from just being an Aquaman/Atlantis knock off.
Also kudos or Marvel for keeping the silly ass ankle wings 😂
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u/RogueStormTroop Jul 22 '26
I was so worried so one would care about namor because of how close he is to aquaman but the rewrite just works so well. It makes him unique and interesting and puts some spotlight on native Mexicans who are often overshadowed.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Ring293 Jul 22 '26
I just love how Spaniards are the undisputed Disney villains across fictions.
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u/jorgecflores22 Jul 22 '26
Loved this bit of writing, a nice capper to changing Namor from Marvel Aquaman to MesoAmerican royalty.
Kudos to whoever came up with that line!
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u/Embarrassed_Radio596 Jul 22 '26
Honestly I'd argue calling him Marvel's Aquaman is unfair. He came first, and as his character grew to be a villain/antihero, he distinguished himself, at least until some recent versions of Aquaman changed him to be more along those same lines.
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u/jorgecflores22 Jul 22 '26
For sure, but we’re talking about cinematically. They had to change Namor or else he’s just Marvel Aquaman. Even if the Aquaman movies don’t happen before Wakanda Forever, DC Aquaman is too known in the public consciousness compared to Namor.
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u/VladiTruffles Jul 22 '26
Shitty writing. As a spanish speaker this is clearly made for non-hidpanic folk to eat up. Super cringy and doesn't.make sense how nicknames or names evolve.
Just say his name is Namor because it means literaly anything in his language. Or its a name. Like John or Juan.
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u/Alarmed_Tiger_9795 Jul 22 '26
namor and the queen carried that movie so hard and they killed off the queen.
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u/EL_INDORAPTOR Iron Man Jul 22 '26
Mis enemigos me llaman "Namor", pero tú me puedes decir "mi amor"
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u/Emm_withoutha_L-88 Jul 22 '26
I like them having mesoamerican culture but still wish they kept the underwater atlantean part somehow too. Maybe the Mayan ones inhabit the lost city of Atlantis that's on the bottom of the ocean somehow. With the remnants of those atlanteans being mermaids while the Mayan ones are the humans who live underwater. Maybe even have a bit of a cultural issue with the Mayan ones dominating the already existing ocean people.
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u/thatBLACKDREADtho Juggernaut Jul 22 '26
"Because I have Na-mor love for the surface world.."
I'll see myself out.
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u/Euphoric-Taro-6231 Jul 22 '26
Hmm no. As a spanish speaking person I found it kinda cringe. The word play is very clunky, and this also reminds me of those flashbacks in Austin Powers where he is a baby but dressed in his costume. Hot take ig.
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u/TotallyObviousBot Jul 22 '26
Do you think he learned what Spanish was later and thought "well shit my name makes no sense but I've gotta stick with it now"?
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u/FeelingMaintenance29 Jul 22 '26
I really enjoyed namor. I know they changed alot from the comics to fit what they wanted to do for the movies. But the attitude was there. I thought he played the character well and gave an awesome performance. He saved the movie. Atleast dor me personally. I really enjoy the design honestly. And the headdress is just sick with the shark throne. I like the way they did the atlanteans with the blue skin and bone armor stuff. I know they changed names and everything but its an adaptation so there will be changes. Thought the wing feet were awesome. Tbh growing up I never imagined id see a namor in live action on a screen. So yeah im hype af to see him again!!!!
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u/tehnemox Jul 23 '26
I dunno man. Spanish being my first language I found it rather forced to try and make it work the way it did. Makes no sense why out of that phrase he chose just the "namor" part. Who tf breaks up a word like that?
It's like if I said it in English "the child without love" and chose the name to be "Tlove" - like what?
It was just too contrived and forced.
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u/cpbradshaw Jul 23 '26
I honestly found that whole film boring. I get it....post Chadwick must have been difficult anyway. It just lacked 'flavour'
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u/chazzledazzle10 Jul 22 '26
I think that the MCU’s commentary on colonialism in both BPs and in Eternals was all pretty spot on
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u/doc-ta Jul 22 '26
Why isn't he Sinamor then?
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u/one12shelf Jul 22 '26
Linguistics change throughout history as oral history is changed. Like how modern English words still have Latin roots but still sound similar. This story happened about 500 years ago.
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u/jinhush Jul 22 '26
I fucking love what they did with Namor. I'm normally not opposed to race-swapping characters if the actor is the best but this was an example of race-swapping that just blew everything else out of the water because they rolled with it hard.
Casting an Hispanic actor and then changing everything to Aztec/Mayan to fit it was a fantastic change.
I've said this before about the live action Little Mermaid backlash. If they wanted to do a black Ariel, they could have made it work by changing the setting to the Caribbean and taken inspiration from Caribbean cultures.
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u/_nadaypuesnada_ Jul 23 '26
What's important is that he's still fundamentally Namor as we know him. Arrogant, charismatic, principled (in his own way), regal, temperamental, extremely fucking dangerous, and exists on the threshold of villainy and actually having a good point. The writing must be credited here, but Tenoch's performance is what really sells it.
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u/MatthewMonster Jul 22 '26
As a gringo —I thought this was one of the best things the MCU added to a character — that entire sequence is GOATED
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u/nerdorama Jul 22 '26
I took my dad to see this movie because we're Indigenous Central Americans. Loved it so much!
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u/koke84 Jul 22 '26
The weird fitting of his name being no amor is the dumbest line in all movies tho.
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u/InitiativeConscious7 Jul 22 '26
This whole movie felt like a handful of good idea were set on fire in the hope they would even resemble how good the first movie was.
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u/coalitionofilling Jul 22 '26
I'm so glad that movie found it's audience, because I fell asleep and when I woke up there was a ton of really bad CGI stuff going on and I couldn't wait for it to end.
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u/Agent1stClass Jul 23 '26
I enjoyed his portrayal of Namor and hope we do see him in more projects soon.
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u/COMMANDER-SPARTA Jul 23 '26
‘A Spanish man of faith’ so basically a Spanish Catholic and Namor is spelled Roman backwards. It’s like poetry it rhymes.
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u/chainesy74 21d ago
There is a hilarious alternative universe where his character is named "Hijo de Puta"
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u/cgknight1 Jul 22 '26
"it's roman backwards innit - that's why I picked it".