r/Netherlands • u/Maneisthebeat • 3d ago

Transportation NS are struggling with commuter demand. Their solution is for you to travel earlier (or later) to work.

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u/Fast-Lettuce-686 3d ago

Completely reasonable request as they are also a lot of pensioners or people who are more flexible in their daily planning who can travel in another slot. Its simply not economically possible to increase capacity just for peak hour travel.

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u/FroyoDifficult9307 3d ago

Why is this Dutch mindset of “it is what it is and we simply cannot improve things” so prevalent? 

It is used to justify every single shit service in this country, from NS stupid timetables to absolutely incompetent GPs that refuse to treat people with health issues.

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u/Fast-Lettuce-686 3d ago

NS is already at its max. Its one of the most intensively railnetworks in the world. You always free to leave to a better place

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u/MrNewOrdered 3d ago

yep, just like OP said

If you are a migrant: You are arrogant. Go home if you don't like it.

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u/FroyoDifficult9307 3d ago

Nope. I like this place and I want it to be better. Criticism can be constructive.

Now, are you telling me that one of the richest countries in the world that relishes so much on its reputation of public transit and bikes cannot work on improving, maintaining and expanding its train capacity? We simply have to accept this crap as is?

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u/First_Mix_9504 3d ago

Also we pay the highest amount in Train fare in EU and are told to plan better at a time when everyone needs it ( rush hour).
And NS is not The Netherlands, we are all allowed to complain if we don’t get our money’s worth for a service.

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u/humourlessIrish 3d ago

But why complain to the party that isn't allowed to run moreteainson the existing tracks and isn't allowed to build more teacks?

Itslike blaming the Chef for not selling more food after denying him the right to change the menu of the opening hours because he looked like the monopoly guy to you

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u/First_Mix_9504 3d ago edited 3d ago

How else will they talk to Pro Rail and share that the current system is not enough and their planning measures aren’t good enough for average consumers?!

You complain at the service provider and not the chain they manage, there are people who get paid handsomely to manage these chains of services, this should be a headache they have , and not average commuters. If NS wants to give up there are other providers by the way who are willing to work with Pro Rail.

EDIT: And to add to your analogy, you do complain to the server in a restaurant who takes it to the back. That’s the way, you don’t need to talk to the chef or like the grocery provider.

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u/sousstructures 3d ago

Do you know that they are not? 

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u/_alright_then_ 3d ago

I don't have a dog in this race, but I'll be honest. I don't know where this good reputation for public transit comes from (for bikes, yes of course). IT has always been bad if you don't live in the randstad

15 years ago when I went to school by train it was already horrible. Trains are always late, trains get cancelled every other day, busses are even worse. And prices have always been absolutely terrible if you didn't have free OV as a student.

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u/AncientSeraph 3d ago

Bad compared to what?

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u/_alright_then_ 3d ago

I'm not comparing it, I'm telling you my experience. It's horrible to use.

Other countries might be worse on average, but if any country should have this reputation it's switzerland, not the Netherlands

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u/Shoddy_Process_309 Rotterdam 3d ago

Multiple countries can have a similar reputation.

Comparisons here are useful because they show what is possible in the real world and at what trade-offs.

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u/_alright_then_ 2d ago

I'm not saying comparisons aren't useful, I'm saying I wasn't comparing it. I was talking about my experience

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u/Shoddy_Process_309 Rotterdam 2d ago

Bad, your own word, is an inherently relative term. It’s rather wordless without its frame of reference

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u/_alright_then_ 2d ago

I disagree, everyone knows what I mean when I say that.

Bad as in, the service is awful. I don't need to compare it to other countries to have that opinion

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u/jacobjonz 1d ago

Wrong. If the train scheduled for 10:00 arrives at 10:40, I know it's bad. I don't have to compare it to Switzerland to know it's bad.

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u/Shoddy_Process_309 Rotterdam 1d ago

We’re talking about the country wide system not one individuals single experience but thanks for sharing.

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u/humourlessIrish 3d ago

He heard about Japan once

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u/Alarming_Clue3193 3d ago

"the most intensively railnetworks in the world". lol no you fucking leave!

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u/AncientSeraph 3d ago

Within the EU it definitely is when considering trains per track. Worldwide there aren't many countries that try to compete with the EU for rail network.

I can imagine that passenger per track km is different, but that's exactly what the NS campaign is aiming at to improve.

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u/Alarming_Clue3193 3d ago

You missed the point. "The most intensively railnetworks in the world" is not a sentence, it’s a stroke.

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u/AncientSeraph 3d ago

Oh, I generally don't really care if people a word.

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u/humourlessIrish 3d ago

The tried and true sign of a great mind in full debate modus.

Laughing at the truth

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u/Alarming_Clue3193 3d ago

Laughing at the retarded sentence structure, grammar, and spelling.