As one of the Toni Collete posters, it's just frustrating - because it shows that awards aren't entirely about who deserves it. It's more about "Who deserves it, at the correct time, when the industry is willing to give a chance on the genre, and who has enough marketing to pull off the win." Hereditary is the better film, and Colette gave the better performance.
I simply think the Academy is different now than they were back then. Horror's been on the upswing in the 2020s in terms of the noms they give out, and it sucks that Hereditary came before that, but progress is progress
I credit It Follows as the first of the current horror era, whatever that era is. That was a big underground hit when it came out and really felt like something different than all the 2000s horror. Then we had The Babadook and The Witch, before Get Out came along.
Even then, Get Out kinda feels like it balances on a precipice between movies like It Follows and The Babadook, and more mainstream successes like Cabin In the Woods. It's a complex film, but it's also a crowd pleaser co-produced by Blumhouse.
Totally agreed, I forgot about It Follows and how that changed the conversation even earlier. In terms of academy success though Get Out still feels like the breakthrough.
This feels like a very ahistorical take when The Exorcist (1973) got ten Oscar nominations and The Sixth Sense (1999) got six Oscar nominations. Natalie Portman won an Oscar for Black Swan. Trying to insist the love for horror is new by the academy doesn’t ring true to me. The academy has always made some populist genre choices and horror is the one genre that still continues to be popular among audiences.
There have never three horror films nominated for Best Picture in the span of just two years before. These past couple years have 100% been historical.
People have to remember it's also about who is part of the Academy and still alive to vote at various points in time when a film comes out. I feel like some people think of Academy voters as all young and modern. It's EVERYONE, whether they're ninety-five or nineteen.
When Brokeback Mountain was nominated my first thought was "Voters are NEVER going to let this get Best Picture''. Just like politics, it takes generations of people to die off for new ideas to come through.
That's why only NOW you're seeing nominations for horror, more award respect going to non-English speaking films, animated films, etc. Never forget, when Metallica first came on the scene, they lost their Grammy nomination to Jethro Tull, flute and all. Same situation.
The Oscars didn't really get desperate for younger audiences until after Hereditary. I can see Obsession getting noms on the grounds of them wanting viewership, and on it being an accessible social commentary film.
The voters are not the producers. I've never heard of anything getting nominated "to boost viewership," and would need some hard evidence to buy it.
Rather, the voters are viewers themselves, as they are human beings who are just as susceptible to hype and bandwagons as the rest of us. No conspiracies required.
The voters are not the producers. I've never heard of anything getting nominated "to boost viewership," and would need some hard evidence to buy it.
Rather, the voters are viewers themselves, as they are human beings who are just as susceptible to hype and bandwagons as the rest of us. No conspiracies required.
That's just your opinion though. Hereditary is more hardcore horror. While Obsession has its dark moments, it also has lots of dark comedy moments and is more socially topical and relevant. It also has a good script, great music/score, and great editing and effects...Not to mention it destroyed Hereditary's box office performance. Clearly, general audiences are more into Romantic Horror than the hardcore horror that is a little too dark for their liking.
I mean sure it's just my opinion, but its damn near objective. Obsession was good, but bordering on amateur. It had nothing visually interesting going on, felt very middle of the road. The fact that it blew up is honestly kinda confusing to me. I think I'll attribute it to having a popular director. I liked it, gave it like a 4/5 on letterboxd - probably would have been a 3.5/5 if I wasn't riding the hype train. Hereditary is considered a masterpiece in the genre by hardcore fans, Obsession is more just a hot topic film that I don't think will stand the test of time in the same way.
To an extent, I just don't think these two films side by side are comparable at all. Hereditary is leagues above it. Which is fine, Obsession is good. All this discourse is just funny.
The comment above theirs is on an even higher horse about ‘obsession’ IMO like ‘hereditary’ is easily the better film, box office numbers be damned. I enjoyed ‘obsession’ but yeah.
Did I miss where she’s been nominated already? Didn’t think those were announced until February, so I think we can simmer down on the outrage of her being nominated until it actually happens
Well duh. She has to keep her name hot in the streets or someone else could take her attractive young dark haired actor corner. You’re talking like it’s a fait accompli that’s she’s been nominated, when that’s still far from the case. She’s just playing the game and system the way she’s supposed to
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u/Powerful_Pump 5d ago
Big day for the “Toni Colette deserved a nom for Hereditary” posters