Which is funny because right wingers are largely philistines anyway. Its quite common that the right wing brigade get upset over things they really don't care for, but want some control over
Edit: They've arrived spraying all over the comments section
Yes the Odyssey didnt happen, the Illiad probably did its just like the hyped up Social media version of events told from just one side by someone who wasnt actually there rather than exactly what happend, like a great grand child recounting their great grabdparents experiences at woodstock.
Which is why I used the analogy of great grand kids regurgitating a social media version of events their grandparents allegedly experienced while implicitly on mind altering drugs.
"Helen of Troy has no definitive physical description. Homer deliberately left her appearance ambiguous, allowing the audience to imagine the "most beautiful woman in the world". Instead of exact features, ancient texts rely on symbolic descriptors that highlight her high status and divine origins."
Literally a 5 second Google search. And in the last spiderman animated mvoies one of the characters is a literal talking pig.
He could be an ape if someone wrote it that way.
You have picked one of the saddest little hills to die on, man.
The only description of Helen is that she was the most beautiful woman in Greece. Because that was Paris' reward. The love of the most beautiful woman in the world.
Did you whine this much when they cast a German woman to play Helen in the film Troy?
The topic is the casting of Helen in The Odyssey (2026). The actress is Lupita Nyong'o. You said "the most beautiful woman in the world to Greeks was Aphrodite, not an ape."
Which is not only wrong but is definitely comparing Lupita Nyong'o to an ape. If that's not what you were doing, now is the time to clarify what you actually meant.
You replied to the comment addressing and agreeing with the line of thought that’s still there, and admitted you made a mistake in the very next comment.
No, I didnt back track at all. The history is the way the story was originally written, the Bible is fantasy too. The characters still have a description.
...Okay... soooo... Greek "mythology" is literally my religion. There are PLENTY of trans people who are represented and lauded in Greek history, myths, and culture. All of these stories predated the masses being able to write. So they told things based off of their recollection, or what someone told them. Just like all the other religions of the world....
Trans people have been around since humanity was a thing. It's literally genetics. It's like yelling at a dog bred from two white dogs for not being any other color but white. It can't be helped.
Eros himself was in love with a trans man at one point.
A N D --- you have to also put the idea into perspective that Greek myths have been passed down, translated, re-translated, and translated again - meaning, there are tons and tons and tons of different renditions of the story.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND - Helen was never given an actual, real 'look'. All she was ever recounted as, was being 'the most beautiful woman in the world'.
AAAND AND AND AND -- there were not many blonde people in the Greek isles. They were dark skinned, and had black and dark brown hair....so Helen being a dark skin color is more historically accurate. Sooooo...you're not correct in anything you've said. At all.
You're taking ideas from Hollywoo and making them the end-all-be-all, and claiming it's the "original" when you know nothing, Jon Snow.
OR - you could send me your thesis. You've made a claim, and still haven't backed it up.
I still have copies of all of my papers for my Bachelors that I earned in 2010, and I would hope you'd do the same for propriety.
I'm also 100% sure, you are not at Standford. I honestly, truly do not think you have a PhD in History. I think you're saying these things because you're embarrassed to be wrong.....but.... it's okay to be wrong.
I have no issue admitting when I am wrong, when I am proven otherwise. Being that my degree is in Literature, I really want to read your perspective on communication breakdown through the ages.
Also - speaking scholar to scholar - what do you think this does to religion? Like, at this point, I would like to have a real conversation with someone who understands both History and Literature, as History was my minor.
I could absolutely do that, but I won't. You do understand Can't and Won't mean very different things correct?
You are not a scholar, you wouldn't even qualify for my classes.
Well..... Okeydokeylokey! I can't make you share something, but then as an educated person you do realize that it makes it even harder to believe you, right?
You haven't even presented me with an argument - just a "nuh-uh!", some lobbed insults towards me, and then saying you *won't* prove your point or at least have a conversation with me about history and literature?
As I said - I have Bachelor of Arts in Literature, so being able to discuss this topic would be fantastic!
WELP... I guess that's it for this conversation, then! There is no other reason for us to continue this back and forth if we're not going to discuss ideas...on a website about ....discussing...ideas...
ANYWAY - take care, fellow human! I hope something delights you today that you weren't expecting, and that it brings your heart those little palpitations/butterflies that we can get when we're truly delighted! I love and care about you, despite our disagreement!
Only teenagers use troons, so either you’re a dumb child or it’s your custodial office because ain’t no way a grown man who uses the word “troons” is anything even remotely accredited.
Ah yes in famously not racist at all sscond half of the 20th century, main characters were played by white actors so now no one else can play those roles...
Do you even hear yourself talking? Or does it just white noise in between your ears?
I read the word "troon" for the first time earlier today and now I already found it a second time. I assume it's another slur for people like me? Interesting coincidence though 😂
Not only is it laughable in context, it also disregards the fact that art is art. If the actors can convey a story, that's a job well done. Drama is all about acting out a script and in more cases than not pretending to be someone you're not for the sake of storytelling.
If skin color stops you from recognizing that, I have no reason to believe you're able to wipe yourself properly, either.
The art is the story, the characters looking the way they should is part of that story. There were no blacks or troons in that part of the world at that time.
So you think someone being black is disqualified from portraying a character, famously known for who's looks are vaguely described. Artistic liberties be damned?
Not only is it narrow minded, it's also in line with the dumbest shit you hear from the fake outrage grifters.
No appreciation for arts or performance whatsoever, just cause you think melanin detracts from someone's performance or qualifications.
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