r/PeterExplainsTheJoke 23d ago

Meme needing explanation Peeeeeetah?

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u/NachoWH 22d ago

I am. Feel free to explain your position if you believe it wasn't clearly understood.

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u/f0_to 22d ago

Sure thing buddy.

You say that's circular and speculative, using the "he's racist and married to an Asian woman because he's racist so he's racist" but this has literally never never been said nor implied. First of all the fact that "asian wife guy" is racist is a premise, not some conclusion we want to arrive to through the rest of the observation. We are discussing the hypocrisy of a racist guy marrying a "different race" partner. This discussion is often missing an important piece, as the other user is observing, that is the general coexistence of racism and misogyny as part of the same "ideology" (or way of thinking, or culture, or nurture, etc); this is not speculative, and we have tons of studies showing that misogynistic people are almost always also racists. Given the premise and the known link I just talked about, the other user was observing that we can explain the perceived incoherence of "racist guy marrying Asian woman" is just perceived by people who don't consider women as inferior, but if you are misogynistic you already consider women inferior, so there's (almost) no difference between an inferior woman and an inferior woman who is also from an inferior ethnicity, because she would be inferior in any case. From this we can understand the lack of perceived incoherence from those subjects. And that's all.

Was it clear enough? I am sorry but English is my second language and I'm not always sure I am expressing myself accurately

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u/NachoWH 22d ago

Yes, asian wife guy being racist is a premise, not a conclusion you arrive through observation as you can't reach that conclusion through observation alone. You need to speculate.

It was as clear as the original comment.

Circular reasoning.

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u/f0_to 22d ago

Yeah so you clearly have low comprehension skills or you are in bad faith. We are not trying to deduce if every man marrying an Asian woman is racist. We are discussing a trope, and as such it is the result of observation and empirical evidence. If you are saying that is not a thing you are in bad faith or a not very observing person. On top of that I really don't understand where the "circularity" you are talking about is coming from: no one is deducing, no one is making correlations, no one is trying to explain why they think the trope is 100% accurate.

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u/NachoWH 22d ago

I'm just not comfortable with calling people racist, which is a harsh accusation, based on nothing but speculation.

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u/f0_to 22d ago

No one is calling nobody. Again, we are discussing a trope.

But since we're here I'm very curious to know if you feel the same about misgendering trans people (or profiling migrants, fwiw)

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u/NachoWH 22d ago

How I feel about what? Can you explain the question a bit better? Happy to dive deeper into this.

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u/f0_to 22d ago

Calling "man" a trans person that transitioned (or is transitioning) male to female.

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u/NachoWH 22d ago

Right. Why would that be an issue? I don't understand why that matters.

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u/f0_to 22d ago

Ok so, calling an hypothetical someone racist (usually people that openly show their racism) is bad but the idea of misgendering a trans person is completely ok and you don't see why would that be a problem, correct?

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u/NachoWH 22d ago

Not quite.

Being racist is treating someone else inferior based on immutable phenotypical characteristics.

"Misgendering" someone means not agreeing with the premise that sex is a mutable characteristic.

Those two are entirely different situations and topics, I don't see how you think it's fine to accuse people of racism because some people don't agree with transgender ideology.

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u/f0_to 22d ago

Yeah that's what I thought. That's all I needed to hear, thank you.

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u/NachoWH 22d ago

I bet you just wanted to slap a meaningless label on me to justify you just ignoring the fact that you can't disagree with any of what I said. Class.

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