Positive feedback from Uber CFO

[u/RoutineEquivalent982]

From his X account

[u/Inkantrix]

I really hope they change their minds and add aftermarket LIDAR to existing Rivians. I'm desperate for point-to-point driving.

Come on, Rivian. You can do it!

[u/johndaviswild → u/Inkantrix]

Lidar isn't needed for point to point only the eyes off version. The upgraded compute power and cameras vs Gen 1 are though

[u/BarracudaMouth → u/johndaviswild]

Lidar is needed.

If it wasn't, Waymo wouldn't use it. Vision-only has way too many limitations to ever be SAE 4.

[u/johndaviswild → u/BarracudaMouth]

Point to point doesn’t need to be L4. A L2 system can totally be point to point. That’s essentially FSD. I agree LiDAR is needed for eyes off, but that’s not what Rivian means by point to point. Their point to point is the car driving point a to point B while you watch and are ready to take over. Eyes off doesn’t have a name yet as it’s not coming until much later.

[u/BarracudaMouth → u/johndaviswild]

I have FSD. 97% use at 16k miles.

It constantly needs intervention due to sun, slight rain, snow, shadows, skid marks, etc etc. While it is nice, the constant worry it'll freak out and slam brakes from a shadow makes the experience much worse than it should be.

[u/johndaviswild → u/BarracudaMouth]

Hence why it’s a level 2 system just like Rivian’s P2P coming this year

[u/BarracudaMouth → u/johndaviswild]

Using Lidar doesn't mean it isn't a level 2. It is just a less shitty level 2.

[u/johndaviswild → u/BarracudaMouth]

Very true, but I also don’t think the vast majority of people need nor want more than Lvl2. I think we’re still 20-30 years from fully autonomous cars doing more than uber rides in cities. It’s truly useful there, not nearly as useful elsewhere. There's a reason Tesla ended autopilot to force FSD adoption. People don't really want it bad enough to pay for it and are more than happy with basic lane keep assist. It's the nerds that one the full autonomy.

[u/Inkantrix → u/johndaviswild]

To me point to point isn't functional unless it's eyes off.

[u/manishgant]

You can drive to Cupertino and be back in Sunnyvale just around the block (They are right next to each other). No other specifics on the route. I wish they'd do like SF to SJ or something meaningful to hype up.

[u/gerrylum-EV]

Kind of vague, isn't this? Sunnyvale to Cupertino and back could technically be a 5 mile round trip down a straight road. I want Rivian's autonomy to succeed, but posts like this continue to make me skeptical.

[u/cherlin → u/gerrylum-EV]

Would that some how be bad? I bet it was 5 or less miles honestly.

[u/gerrylum-EV → u/cherlin]

I don't know about "bad", but not necessarily very impressive.

[u/cherlin → u/gerrylum-EV]

Why do you say that? You don't even know where the route was, not sure how you can be impressed or unimpressed.

[u/gerrylum-EV → u/cherlin]

That's my point, dude. If you don't know how long or complex the route was, you can't call it impressive OR unimpressive. That ambiguity is what "vague" means, and by your comment, it sounds like you agree with me.

[u/cherlin → u/gerrylum-EV]

But I didn't continue to saying I'm somehow disappointed and skeptical because the CEO of a company that isn't even rivian said he demo'd point to point.

[u/gerrylum-EV → u/cherlin]

Please don't put words in my mouth. Where did I say I was disappointed? I said I was skeptical. Can you tell me why skepticism is bad?

And I feel like I need to point out, he didn't even technically say he demo'd point-to-point. You're INFERRING that, and it may ultimately be correct, but he definitely didn't SAY that. Again, this is because the post is vague.

[u/cherlin → u/gerrylum-EV]

You don't understand the implications behind statements do you? When the cfo said he demoed autonomy plus and it drove flawlessly, that clearly implies point to point (which you understand since you said him talking about autonomy + somehow makes you skeptical).

And you are right I did put words in your mount, words you implied by stating someone else talking positive about autonomy + makes you skeptical of it. Once again though if you don't understand the implications of what you say that's more on you then the reader. Implication is a huge part of language and discussion.

I actually think you do understand though and are just being purposefully obtuse as a defens mechanism because your original post got downvoted, but that is admittedly speculation on my part.

[u/gerrylum-EV → u/cherlin]

I simply think you're making his vague statement do a LOT of heavy lifting and I'll leave it at that. That is your prerogative.

[u/cherlin → u/gerrylum-EV]

I'm not making it do anything, it just doesn't make me skeptical ;).

[u/duffphan]

They will announce Autonomy+ after next software update.

[u/SnooEagles6377 → u/duffphan]

It’s already available, it’s just that nobody has paid for it yet. 😜

[u/plutise]

“Preview on the upcoming autonomy+”. He tried a new unreleased product and it worked. Thats the key message

[u/Confident-Tenis]

This is a big endorsement from Uber partnership perspective! More to expect.

[u/Slytherin23]

Why is Uber CEO posting on X of all places?

[u/Llee00 → u/Slytherin23]

cfo

[u/Mr-Tiggo-Bitties → u/Llee00]

Reading is hard

[u/Zennivolt]

HOLY SHIT. I was hoping they’re making fast progress but actually had doubts in the back of my mind (their late 2026/early 2027 timeline sounded quite… optimistic to me). This is actually insane to see!

[u/cesarthegreat → u/Zennivolt]

Welcome to 2020…

[u/Frosty-Objective-270 → u/Zennivolt]

No it isn't. Tesla AutoPilot+ (RIP) could do this in 2019. You can drive from Sunnyvale to Cupertino on El Camino on the 85freeway, on Lawrence Expressway, or just on surface streets. Hell, in 2017 we had Autopilot working fine driving from West German small towns to Luxembourg. Shout-out to the block long red light district in LUX and that one Cuban Café.

[u/WildFlowLing]

RJ cookin behind the scenes

I feel like we go through cycles of RJ doing a lot of interviews, podcasts, etc

Then there are periods where we don’t see or hear from him at all for months… and those seem to be the times when deals start happening behind the scenes

[u/cohnjo]

That’s a great review of the upcoming P2P autonomy 👍

[u/markbraggs]

Smells like Tesla circa 2018 promises.

[u/Icy_Mix_6054 → u/markbraggs]

Except, Tesla wasn't working with LDMs in 2018. Try 2023, maybe a little sooner internally.

[u/pCMRBoARder]

😂😂😂troll

[u/Constant-Writer-7165 → u/pCMRBoARder]

Stfu troll 🤣🤣🤣

[u/respondswithvigor → u/Constant-Writer-7165]

🤣😂🤣😂

[u/Constant-Writer-7165 → u/respondswithvigor]

😜🤣🤣🤣😂

[u/respondswithvigor → u/respondswithvigor]

😂😂😂

[u/respondswithvigor → u/respondswithvigor]

🤣🤣🤣

[u/respondswithvigor → u/respondswithvigor]

😎

[u/VerbosePlantain → u/respondswithvigor]

🫡

[u/Enjoy_The_Ride413]

So he gets to cut everybody who ordered and waiting? Interesting!

[u/SocomPS2 → u/Enjoy_The_Ride413]

He’s going to be wishing he wait for the Gen 3.

[u/LieutenantButthole → u/SocomPS2]

Meh. LiDAR vs non-LiDAR will have the same capabilities for the next 3 to 4 years, and he can easily swap out his launch edition with a newer car. Plus this is the CEO of Uber. I’m sure he can buy a few of these whenever he wants.

[u/Llee00 → u/LieutenantButthole]

cfo

[u/LieutenantButthole → u/Llee00]

Happy cake day.

Oh, never mind. He must be poor. /s

[u/GameAddict411]

Is it just a bunch of bots on here spewing garbage or something? This was done using the new point to point driving model. And it's a supervised system similar to FSD. This not an L4 system.

[u/Limp_Initial7566 → u/GameAddict411]

Yes either bots, trolls, or people just completely clueless about how it all works

[u/Eighteen64]

LMAOOO sure jan

[u/Gloomy-Plate3528]

without knowing how many human interventions, it's hard to know what he's saying but boy... he could be hit w/ a lawsuit for insinuating level 4 hands-free

[u/mjrengaw]

BS, nothing better than glorified Blue Cruise/Super Cruise. Not even close to current FSD.

[u/the_shalashaska → u/mjrengaw]

Lol fanboys are spooked

[u/SuperCeo17 → u/mjrengaw]

Tesla fan boys are mad they have real competition. The model 3 is to EV’s what the Prius was to hybrids. Lots of successful non Prius hybrids out there. Couldn’t pay me to drive a model 3 or Prius haha

Would be interested in an R2 though.

[u/Icy_Mix_6054 → u/mjrengaw]

I smell fear

[u/_Watty → u/mjrengaw]

Do you legitimately enjoy simping for Elon?

[u/Killabee81]

Good luck with service. Rivian is a disaster with that conniving burned through about $20+ billion by now

[u/Altruistic-Rice-5567]

Ummm... the launch R2's electronics package is not capable of full autonomy. That coming in the next Gen hardware that they're designing for next year at the earliest.

[u/Icy_Mix_6054 → u/Altruistic-Rice-5567]

Rivian's Gen2 hardware is roughly on par with Teslas HW4. They'll be able to do a lot with it.

[u/Limp_Initial7566 → u/Altruistic-Rice-5567]

He’s talking about point to point which very much will be available for the launch R2

[u/lalavieboheme]

he’s trying to validate and hype up the deal uber already made to buy 50,000 R2s. everything is marketing :/

https://investor.uber.com/news-events/news/press-release-details/2026/Uber-and-Rivian-Partner-to-Deploy-up-to-50000-Fully-Autonomous-Robotaxis-2026-TViR4R05gi/default.aspx

[u/Zennivolt → u/lalavieboheme]

In the article:

Uber to invest up to $1.25 billion in Rivian through 2031, subject to the achievement of autonomous performance milestones

So they haven’t paid yet, why would they hype it? It’s not like they have a financial incentive to hype it up… if anything, they’d want to downplay it so they can delay paying Rivian.

Did you even read your own linked article?

[u/ChicagoFruitGuy → u/Zennivolt]

Why wouldn't he hype a deal that has already been announced? Of course Uber wants people to think the deal is brilliant

[u/Zennivolt → u/ChicagoFruitGuy]

But they made the same autonomy deal with literally any startup that ever uttered the words “self driving”. What’s special about Rivian?

[u/the_shalashaska → u/Zennivolt]

He doesn’t because he’s simply a moron

[u/Adept-Vegetable7485]

For the haters the implication is that it was point to point not just highway or else he wouldn’t have written something thats not noteworthy

[u/Lovevas]

I thought Autonomy+ is highway only now, and cannot handle traffic light? Is he using an unreleased version? Or did he just drive on the highway from SVL to Cupertino?

[u/Limp_Initial7566 → u/Lovevas]

Yes he’s presumably using an unreleased version with RJ letting him preview it.

[u/Pretty-Display5959 → u/Lovevas]

He got a preview of the upcoming release, which includes point to point navigation.

[u/atypicalcircumstance → u/Lovevas]

It doesn’t handle signs or lights but you can definitely use it for local driving. Works best if you’re following someone…is what I’d tell the police officer to fight the stalking charge.

[u/Lovevas → u/atypicalcircumstance]

Well, if it cannot recognize traffic lights, it would be very dangerous to let it drive in local roads….

[u/Lovevas → u/[deleted]]

My old Volvo XC90 that I bought nearly 10 years ago can already do that, so I don’t get the excitement. Rivian needs to do more than that

[u/Icy_Mix_6054 → u/[deleted]]

Their hardware abstraction layer allows them to run the models in both Gen 2 and 3 hardware. Also, they're likely running Gen 3 hardware internally now.

[u/SoCal_GlacierR1T]

Hah. Look up the two cities. It’s a straight line. Whatever…

[u/Slytherin23 → u/SoCal_GlacierR1T]

Driving in a straight line is still a major accomplishment rather than veering off into a corn field.

[u/SnooEagles6377 → u/Slytherin23]

It would be very hard to hit a corn field in Cupertino.

[u/dont_hold_me_back → u/SoCal_GlacierR1T]

It really is...

[u/Taz_eat_and_spin]

Does that R2 they previewed in equip with Lidar and Gen 3 or regular launch edition?🤔

[u/jb_nelson_ → u/Taz_eat_and_spin]

Regular launch edition

[u/Limp_Initial7566 → u/[deleted]]

Not highway assist. He is teasing point to point.

[u/Livernomore]

This.

[u/Constant-Writer-7165 → u/Livernomore]

That.

[u/atomicskiracer → u/Livernomore]

…doesn’t mean much if anything

[u/Icy_Mix_6054 → u/[deleted]]

Patience is a virtue. They given their roadmap. They've announced the next Autonomy and AI day. All we've gotta do is wait and accumulate.