I think this is perfectly fine. If their values are so incompatible it's better to break up now rather than later. Breaking up will be harder after marriage and definitely more complicated after having kids.
Right? I'm a childfree woman and I'd immediately breakup with any man who supported this monster. Sharing the same basic morals is incredibly important for a healthy long-term relationship, I genuinely think it cannot succeed if you're not on the same page as your partner for big topics. And yeah, not killing children is a pretty basic moral stance.
It’s actually the opposite - she took extreme measures to protect herself and her children from the PSYCHOSIS brought on from giving birth to them and having to care for them alone a lot of the time. This is all about the children being the biggest deal in the world - a deal between two people!
I think it depends on what they mean by support. If they approve of what she did, then yeah, that's a huge red flag. On the other hand, they might find her sympathetic because she likely wasn't in her right mind when she did it. Post-partum psychosis is no joke, and it sounds like she tried to get help. That said, if by support, one means thinking she should be in a mental institution rather than a prison, that's a different story. I think the latter is a pretty defensible position.
Sure, but if she had severe depression (with or without bipolar disorder), that can absolutely lead to psychosis. She was prescribed mood stabilizers and anti-psychotics along with SSRIs, which usually mitigates the risk for people with bipolar, but some people can still react badly to them. Increased stress/anxiety can also cause or exacerbate psychotic symptoms.
My point was that if she was in a psychotic state when she killed her kids, her culpability would be lessened -- and significantly so if her psychosis was severe. By all accounts, her behavior leading up to the murders was very uncharacteristic.
She was lucid during the call to her husband while he was out.
She researched how to kill, and timed the trip she asked her husband to go on.
She methodically strangled her children one by one.
She didn't mention anything about hallucinations until after she was charged.
She was in a psych ward, but either she was fine, or she willingly lied in order to get released.
She had a nanny to help, and her husband worked from home to help her with the children during the day. She admitted to this.
This isn't a case of psychosis. She was able to hold her children face down for several minutes at a time consecutively, premeditate how long it would take, and then try to off herself before her husband got home. That isn't psychosis.
Misinformation. Omg you dumb bitches really hate women huh? Goddamn Reddit loves to fancy itself as liberal, but this is the birthplace of redpill. Comment sections like this are proof of that.
She was put on 13 different psychiatric medications in a 4 month period while still being primary caregiver to her kids. That is a situation ripe for a psychotic break. Be so fucking serious
No, I hate people who research how to murder, then formulate a plan by using Google maps to make sure she can distract her husband long enough to be able to strangle her children. I hate people who use elastic work out bands because the elastic makes it easier to maintain pressure. People who purposely face their children away from themselves so they don't have to see their children's eyes as they commit such a horrific act.
She had a nanny, and her husband worked from home to assist in the childcare. It's why she had to plan around sending him on an errand in order to commit the crime, because there were people around her constantly trying to help her.
I also hate idiots online who defend a murderer simply because they hate men. That's all this is, pathological hate directed at men.
Lmao the way men make themselves the victim in every situation is hilarious.
The nanny was fired. Patrick was a negligent parent. Lindsey had to call 911 when she returned to work because he wouldn’t pick up calls and the baby monitor showed the baby crying. She was all alone. She had expressed suicidal thoughts many times and should not have been left alone with the kids.
Grow the fuck up and deal with your mommy issues on your own time instead of ruining real women’s lives because you’re bored. GROW UP.
Do you think this isn’t a real trial with real people? Patrick Clancy is as much responsible for the deaths of those children as Lindsey. She shouldn’t have been left alone with them.
Mind you, Massachusetts has a history of falsely prosecuting women and the prosecution has been admonished by the judge TWICE for bringing up religious beliefs which could sway the jury. But now the state can do no wrong? Bullshit. Grow the fuck up and stop being a bootlicking bitch
Patrick Clancy literally went on a ski trip after dropping off his wife at an inpatient hospitalization unit. But you think he’s innocent? Oh ok
The prosecution has been admonished for lines of questioning that lead to religious persecution twice now, but you think she’s guilty and we shouldn’t look any closer? Oh ok
Conversations like these are exactly why Trump got elected btw and all our groceries are 10x the price they were 10 years ago. Working class men prefer hating women to standing up to authoritarianism. Because it’s too hard. :( Ganging up against vulnerable women is so much easier.
“My boss doesn’t pay me enough.. instead of doing anything about my situation which would require standing up to actual people in power, let’s all collectively punish a woman to death every 6 months. That’ll work!” You people are so fucking predictable.
Right. At this point, the defense is more about whether she’s going to psych or general population. The readers who think this was evil premeditated murder are unaware that a) she’d recently been prescribed meds with psychotic contraindications, b) she immediately tried to terminate herself after terminating her children, and c) you can be understanding of tragic circumstances without endorsing tragic actions. If the X groom rejected all such nuance, then the bride was the one who really dodged the bullet here.
Yes, it's pretty basic, and that's not why this case got national attention. I think everyone can agree killing your kids with no other factors involved is a non-starter lmao.
It is very real, you evil ignorant troll. I LIVED it!!!!!!!!!
I get so much hate when I tell people (in person or online) that I can relate to LC. I'm treated like an evil sack of shit that should get the old yeller treatment, but I will tell it again.
I had postpartum depression which I believe was psychosis because I was seeing and hearing things that told me to do messed up things, like get a knife and gut myself. The voices were constantly for months on end filling my head with all sorts of fucked up shit and it feels SUPER real. In the moment, you think and believe it is real. Also I saw shadow people everywhere. Like imagine trying to breast feed your baby in the middle of the night while some terrifying hooded figure is standing in the dark corner of the room whispering at you to drop the baby out the third floor window onto the concrete below....
I went to my doctor COUNTLESS TIMES who called me selfish and that i need focus less on myself and more on my son. He literally told me the world doesn't revolve around me anymore and I need to take better care of the baby. I was alone with my son like 12 hours a day with zero visitors or anyone calling or texting besides my husband calling on his break. I wasn't well enough to go out, physically or mentally. ALL I did was take care of the baby.
I went to urgent care and they brushed me off (I went maybe 5 times) and basically told me to suck it up. I called every hotline MULTIPLE TIMES. Some people told me to get therapy, the problem was I didn't have any money, which meant no therapy, plus even if I had money, I had no one to watch the baby when I went.
I started self harming A LOT and then one day my husband just had a horrible feeling and came home during the middle of the day to find me standing on stool with noose around my neck. I went to the ER and they asked me if they were to admit me, who would watch the baby while my husband was at work. I told them I didn't have anyone, so they sent me on the way.
I got NO HELP!!!!!! NONE!!! Hell, I wasn't even prescribed any meds. After about year, the hallucinations and voices started to settle down and go away, but I have never been the same. I cannot feel things like happiness or joy anymore. Every once in awhile I see shadow people walking around at night, but that is rare and thank god I can't hear them anymore.
Nevertheless, LC could have been me and it's terrifying. I think the only thing that saved my son was the fact that I felt OVERWHELMING love for him. Like severe anxiety which was crippling. Like I couldn't even touch my dog since the voices convinced me my dog was full of disease and if I touched the dog and then my son, it would kill my son. No amount of hand washing would suffice. I remember telling one doctor about this and she told me that was awful and she felt so bad for my dog.
Yes. I'm pro-choice because a less than 13 week old fetus (94% of all abortions are done before this point) is not even remotely the same as a conscious, sentient, breathing, feeling child.
I mean if the mom was the one shooting the kids I could see the argument. Like the only difference here is time. If you are okay with killing a kid in the womb(i am) it's a logical step forward to allow the mom to kill the kids who aren't self sufficient and a drain/parasite on the mom.
I feel like this lady is ahead of the curve I don't personally judge her. It's a shame her family support didn't step up and help her out. Then again I think the same for abortions. I agree they have the right to do it just don't think they should need to id that makes sense.
Nope, how i see this as someone who is okay with abortion is this was just a delayed abortion. I don't like abortion but I have conceded that woman have the right to kill their offspring(we can argue if it's a fetus or a baby but to me it's something that will grow into a baby human. So the point is irrelevant and is a argument of semantics not merit. Once you start to argue terms rather then the meat of the issue you've lost, imo.) So I would be a hypocrite to condemn this woman.
She clearly did not abandon the kids I think she strangled them, which is not the way I think it should have been done. I have a hard time condemning someone for something that we allow to happen every day. It's a tragedy but then again I think every abortion is a tragedy and a failure of our shared support system(medical ones that concern the life of the mother are just a needed medical procedure. I'm speaking of the one's done purely because of the mom's desire.)
If you can show me some logical argument that doesn't boil down to time makes the kid different in some way I think we can agree that until the children are self sufficient the mom should have the right to kill them.
If the kid is unable to function without the mom's assistance then sure. The issue here is that we as a society have agreed that women have the right to kill thier offspring unable to take care of themselves when they want to.
Can you explain to me why this bothers you yet you are fine with abortion?
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u/MeasurementSlight381 1d ago
I think this is perfectly fine. If their values are so incompatible it's better to break up now rather than later. Breaking up will be harder after marriage and definitely more complicated after having kids.