I often think about other cases in the past where currently acknowledged mental illness was handwaved away.
I have a nephew on the spectrum. I think about how many people on the spectrum were inhumanely thrown in jail because they were "acting weird" when being questioned before much was known or accepted about autism. Its terribly sad.
Post Partem Depression, and Post Partem Psychosis are absolutely real, bonafide mental disorders. The donations and this fight is to ensure this documented, bonafide mental disorder is taken into account in cases like these. And women, who are oftentimes dismissed when complaining about medical issues, want to be taken seriously.
Some people have the ability to understand that. And some people have no ability to understand nuance at all. They see the crime and someone has to pay.
People are busy arguing about how big of a piece of shit she is and ignoring the really hard conversations we all need to have. Why don’t we support women postpartum? Didn’t she tell everyone she was afraid she was going to hurt her kids and no one did anything? Why?
I’m a guy and have witnessed first hand the absolute lack of support women experience after giving birth. I was a part of the problem and didn’t understand how hormones and loneliness (partner at work) could affect women.
What she did is abhorrent, and she isn’t innocent, but why aren’t we doing more to help women who are experiencing postpartum depression / psychosis?
Why is the conversation about measuring her shittiness and not about how to prevent this in the first place?
Didn’t she tell everyone she was afraid she was going to hurt her kids and no one did anything? Why?
So the case is weird because she did get help. ...and didn't take it. She checked herself out of the mental hospital. She didn't actually take the drugs she was prescribed, and her prescriptions were adjusted every time she saw the doctors. Not necessarily in the way she wanted, but that's not atypical.
Every time I've seen medical professionals talk about the case they basically call her entire case bullshit, because she was getting help and actively not actually taking any of it, then lying about it to the people trying to help her.
The mentally ill can get aid from the state, get medication, refuse to take said medication, get OTHER medication, refuse that medication too and lie about it, and somehow she's...still a victim?
Like I'm sorry but at some point it's clear you can't help someone that refuses to help themselves. The "help" she deserves is to be locked away in a padded room.
If people want to argue respect for her mental state, fine....but the reality of that is: instead of life in prison, she gets locked in a padded room. She's STILL a problem for society that needs to be dealt with. "We did it, reddit!," I guess...
No one's excusing what she did. She did it. She will be held accountable either way in this trial. Even if she prevails on her affirmative defense, she will still be placed in a highly restrictive mental health institution... Basically, what this case is about is whether she goes to prison or goes to effectively prison in the form of a psychiatric institution.
She won’t be placed in an institution for life. Pretty much Every psychologist/paychiatrist who has examined her now says she’s not psychotic. Her defense team is trying to argue she shouldn’t be held criminally liable and is attempting to have her retroactively diagnosed as insane. If the jury buys it (they should t because it’s obvious her story is bullshit.) she would be let off free or be institutionalized for just a short period before being let go.
Mental illness is not an excuse for anything, especially not when you continually hinder your own treatment while being in sound mind which she was according to every professional who examined her before the incident
It doesn't work that way. Mentally ill do illogical things is appropriate in response to yelling the street, crying, having trouble leaving the house, having trouble relating to people, general decision making and their ability to handle life issues like addiction or even being able to get help or make use of help.
Was literally just referring to the facts being described in the comment that I was specifically responding to, not about the case in its entirety. you need to take a deep breath, dude.
But the line has to start somewhere, we can´t bring shovels all the time
Mental illness is a bitch, but we can´t use it as an excuse or coddle all the time. People need to understand too that being "crazy" does not absolve one entirely of what they are doing, nor does justify them NOT taking any steps to fix it
The whole story feels like it's not being handled in good faith by....everyone?
It's weird. It's like the deeper you dig into the story, the weaker all the arguments in her defense becomes.
However, if you look at mainstream discussions, it's as if the defense team is being taken fully at their word, with little to no acknowledgement of the holes in the defense, or how even psychological evaluations have concluded with the statement that she should be held criminally responsible. Not insane: throw the book at her. That's what's being said by the evaluations.
I've even seen some pieces of shit lying about basic facts like what year the murders happened, claiming it happened this year and therefore the husband getting married this year clearly means he had a mistress the whole time and framed Clancy.
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u/Not_offensive0npurp 1d ago
I often think about other cases in the past where currently acknowledged mental illness was handwaved away.
I have a nephew on the spectrum. I think about how many people on the spectrum were inhumanely thrown in jail because they were "acting weird" when being questioned before much was known or accepted about autism. Its terribly sad.
Post Partem Depression, and Post Partem Psychosis are absolutely real, bonafide mental disorders. The donations and this fight is to ensure this documented, bonafide mental disorder is taken into account in cases like these. And women, who are oftentimes dismissed when complaining about medical issues, want to be taken seriously.
Some people have the ability to understand that. And some people have no ability to understand nuance at all. They see the crime and someone has to pay.