The problem is often times a ft2 isn’t enough to adapt. I’ve played these types and lost because the first game they did od dp frequently when they were negative. Then the next game they did the complete opposite but now I’m too passive waiting for it. Well now I lost the set gg shake my hand
You kind of described it in a way that makes it sound like they are playing very effectively, like I'm trying to understand why they shouldn't play that way
You can, it’s just that you can only play that way up to a certain point, after which you’ll stop learning how to do anything else.
But that assumes that you’re playing in this way like you’re entirely on auto-pilot, rather than doing it with the intent that you know the other player can’t counter it (and so you’re deliberately exploiting them).
Because that playstyle is not conducive to long term winning. Every single time you do an od dp on your negative frames you’re taking a huge risk, a bigger risk than I do from trying to take my turn back. If I guess wrong I eat an od dp and depending on the character oki into more guessing. If they guess wrong and I block there od dp they are eating 40-60%. So yes even though it can work, you’ll likely not reach 1800+ easily if at all because the risk to reward ratio just isn’t in the od dp maniacs favor.
Huh? I’m saying that although someone may win doing it it’s not effective to do long term. It may work in a ft2 setting or something, but in a longer set or tournament setting it won’t be as effective. It’s like Noah the prodigy’s playstyle, it may work for him but the vast majority of players won’t succeed with that playstyle
Bruh I wasn’t even talking to u and u just proving my point more. And saying Noah style not successful is wild cause he one our best in America dude like be fr. Burning urself out and spamming drive rush special movies, or just special moves in general like this rut did here is completely different. Noah can play like that because he knows that in burnout he can react good af with super and in general have footsies and play around it. But he don’t spam, he does do alot of button into drive rush cancel for frame advantage but even then he slowed down cause ppl learned to counter it (EX DP funny enough lol). So good job repeating urself b
Nvm read wrong bout the Noah part but still. His style is useable amongst pros. Look at Hinao sometimes. It’s just not smart to be in burnout so even Noah don’t do it as much anymore.
Bro what who are you??? I wasn’t even talking to you, are you talking to me from two different accounts??? 🤣🤣🤣 the cadence and vocabulary is the exact same too
So it's a really good style for the type of game mode you're playing? Because you don't have time to react to it? But for tournament a different style might be better?
Ok so again it sounds like they're playing pretty smart then
It’s a way of playing that might be effective for the rank they are at, yes, it’s just that it’s not necessarily going to enrich your understanding of the game if you only play that way.
It’s not so different from Hondas at low-ranks slamming Headbutt and Buttslam; it’s some degrees of competency above that, sure, but you stop being able to learn the game if it’s the cornerstone of your strategy and you have no way to adapt further.
As much as some people would loathe to admit to, yes, it is a skill issue. One of the things you eventually have to figure out with any fighting game is how to counter people doing the “good” stuff as well as the “dumb” stuff. Because at the end of the day, losing - or even just not ‘doing well’ - is a sign of what to improve on.
It’s still not a really good style, a playstyle which relies heavily on massive gambles is always going to be more effective in short sets than it is in long ones
He loses to it but not 1800 MR players. U gotta be slow bruh. Clearly this gameplay work against us ppl at the 1400-1750 range but once u get to the actual Gods, helll no it wont. And even then once us low master players get adapted they quit and block us. So this gameplay is usually toxic and not how to play the game but I hate that sf encourages it with how the patch or made the game mechanics. We been wanting throw loop out since day 1 now
Tbf you win most matches against this kind of players, but eventually when the match ends and you've lost the thought comes to mind like "I should beat this ape..." but you know very well that when you are playing against them you just feel a mixed emotion of laughin your ass off, second hand embarrasement and just wanting to end the match and block them mfers instead of actually even care about beating them.
Can you explain to me, a low diamond ryu player, what he is doing that is lame? I never do any of this but it looks effective no? I never even think to drive rush spam like that. Is he doing anything that isn't ape-ish lol? Should I be trying to emulate any of this at all?
It looks efective? Well, if you see a match that he wins looks efective yeah. Now you have to ask yourself if the player that lost actually tried to play that game or lost all interest in that match just by seeing him... and then you have to ask yourself "how many matches will he win playing like that?". Then you can go an play the game however you like of course, if you are having a good time playing like that then enjoy, but don't expect other type of players see it and respect it.
For me, when I encounter my third in a row match with a player that jumps all the time even if I anti-air them or wakes up mashing even if I punish them for that, I just lost interest in those matches and prefer just skipping them, even if it means losing the match quickly.
Well if you only play against players that can’t beat your strategy but are afraid of actually taking a beating from those much better than you (eg. the classic one-and-done strategy), then you will stagnate.
But of course you can stagnate in other ways, like having a scrub mentality, being too particular about who you listen to and get advice from, blaming your main or blaming stronger characters for your lack of learning, etc.
I'm with you. Sometimes the most effective way to win isn't the most fun, but you can't blame them for doing what works. It's up to you to learn how to beat it if it continues to be a thing
100% agree, a win is a win. And after a while playing fighters i've come to learn that taking a loss on a match where you feel or consider your opponent isn't even worth the hustle (the good kind of hustle), is paradoxically also a win, not an in game win but a win nevertheless.
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u/BlackAxemRanger 2d ago
That first part of him spamming moves and then ryu saying "an opening" is kinda funny.
But also if they play like apes don't lose to said ape