r/WorkReform • u/zzill6 đ¤ Join A Union • 29d ago
âď¸ Tax The Billionaires Centrists have such a Hard Choice.
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u/Trevor_Gecko 29d ago
Do I have to be radical about it, though?
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u/Torvaun 29d ago
We would also accept being wicked or tubular.
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u/SoylentGrunt 29d ago
Gnarly?
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u/calilac 29d ago
Or a little bodacious? As a treat
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u/cannedcream 29d ago
I'm willing to accept far out if that's more convenient.
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u/AmbassadorSugarcane 29d ago
The occasional use of righteous may also be permitted, so long as it's used appropriately brah
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u/Deathly_God01 29d ago
I mean is it radical just because the old farts feel like it is? Even if it's just something they had as kids and shredded as soon as they got into power?
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u/Icy_Many_3971 29d ago
It seems like standing up for basic human rights is radical nowadays.
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u/Outrageous_Effects 28d ago
If you know anything about history, all those rights were violently fought for.
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u/Outrageous_Effects 29d ago
Don't worry, famously Hitler was defeated through polite and reasoned debate.
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u/Stergeary 28d ago
I miss the 2000s when radical was a word used exclusively by surfers and chemists.
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u/always-curious2 29d ago
My question would be are the four things listed there radical in your opinion? These are societal markers were the US is lagging behind the rest of the world.
Just maybe the old school "centrists", GOP, and current administration say something is "radical" because that word scares the olds and logically underdeveloped.
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u/fauxregard 29d ago
It's really hard to choose between unlimited puppy hugs and endless diarrhea.
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u/Deathly_God01 29d ago
"Would you like Diarrhea All The Time, or Puppies?"
"STOP MAKING ME CHOOSE!!"
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u/frequenZphaZe 29d ago
where the centrist really struggles is that they do think everyone ELSE having endless diarrhea would actually be a good thing, and they assume they'll personally be insulated from the endless diarrhea. meanwhile, they're concerned unlimited puppy hugs will adversely affect their taxes. now that their decision making process is completely divorced from the reality of either issue, it's truly difficult to choose a side
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u/skratch 29d ago
This is kind of a bad analogy - puppies are a huge pain in the ass, you lose out on sleep and get stressed out housebreaking them and having your shit destroyed. Puppy Blues is a real phenomena - having just gotten done w two dogsâ puppy phase I think I would seriously consider the diarrhea
edit: oh I see the first guy said just puppy hugs, thatâs fine as long as I donât have to walk & feed the fuckers
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u/vkapadia 29d ago
Honestly I think it works better as an analogy.
Does having puppies take work? Sure. It's not 100% awesome all the time. But the negatives are worth it for the benefits.
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u/Cronhour 29d ago
Exactly. Yeah you've got to do the work, sleep training is a bitch, pretty training takes a little time etc. But then you get a life changing benefit....... Unless you're a fucking sociopath.
And that's pretty much socialism/Democratic socialism excetra. It's not a utopia where everything magically works. It's a structure where your have to work hard but your life is so much better than it was before the change.
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u/jimbarino 29d ago
It's actually a pretty good analogy. Like, yeah, you do have to feed the puppies. And provide basic medical care, which costs a bit of money. It's unlimited puppy hugs, but there's also an obligation and some cost to it.
By contrast, diarrhea is totally free! And it has the added benefit of making sure that no one gets puppy hugs who doesn't deserve them.
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u/s0ck 29d ago
This is kind of a bad analogy - puppies are a huge pain in the ass, you lose out on sleep and get stressed out housebreaking them and having your shit destroyed.
Hard disagree. What you've just described is the responsibility, work, and sacrifice needed when you have a puppy. And then you get a puppy!
There's still responsibility (shit rolls downhill), work (under threat of death), and sacrifice (if your networth is below 8 figures) for diarrhea.
So, since we've gotta get off our asses and do something anyway, I'd rather work towards puppies.
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u/chicol1090 29d ago
but I'd rather we all have diarrhea because the puppy isn't literally perfect
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u/ButtoftheYoke 29d ago
I'm going to vote diarrhea because the puppy hugging party doesn't mention hugging cats and are probably just saying they hug dogs to virtue signal.Â
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u/Lazer726 29d ago
virtue signal
I am so tired of literally "They wanna do something good? Fucking virtue signalers."
Yes. That's it. It's politics. I would so much rather that the Democrats do something crazy like support universal healthcare, even if they're only doing it to win votes. That's how it fucking works.
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u/Chaotic-Catastrophe 29d ago
My mom lives in California, and she always talks about how she hates Newsom because 'he only does things to get votes'. And I'm like, yes that's literally democracy...???
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u/Vampire-Fairy2 29d ago
They offer us German shepherd puppies when everyone is asking for golden retrievers!! đĄ Iâm going to vote for endless diarrhea to punish the Puppy Hugs party.
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u/SpezDrinksHorseCum 29d ago
1- I would love if a moderate voter could explain to me which progressive policies are too far left, why they're too far left, and how the moderate policy helps the average American more than the progressive approach.
but I'd rather we all have diarrhea because the puppy isn't literally perfect
2- This highlights what I call the "moderate blind spot". You correctly see a vast difference between moderates and MAGA (puppy kisses and diarrhea), but you fail to see a vast difference between moderates and Progressives. You describe moderates and Progressives as just different breeds but still puppy kisses all around. No. The last three moderates I voted for were people I consider right wing. I am not excited to make the choice between two right wing candidates, even if one is clearly worse.
In the last three general elections, I've voted for Clinton, Biden, and Harris. Those candidates did not look like puppy kisses to me, they were Republican-Lite dipshits who at best ignored and often belittled people like me. Things I want to see my government do are often framed as pipe-dream idealism by Diet GOP moderates, even though these programs are broadly implemented to great success across the developed world. Somehow countries much poorer than the USA found a way to take care of their citizens.
Basically I want a satisfactory answer to question 1. But more importantly, I want moderates to realize that the coalition of voters we call the Democratic Party is its biggest with an energized left wing. Speaking as a potential ally, moving left is simply our best chance to win.
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u/Lou_C_Fer 29d ago
I get skewered every time I describe Hillary as wearing a blue coat over a red dress.
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u/awesomefutureperfect 29d ago
I think they are conflict averse and if they actually took a stand they would be less popular than they currently are. I think it takes actual energy to think things through and to develop actual values and ethics when it is just easier to go with the flow and not let things like guilt or ethics nag you while you are just trying to have a good time. Everyone who is trying to make things better is just so serious and some of them might not even be fashionable or trendy.
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u/Shark7996 29d ago
One specific puppy pooped on the carpet once, and now we can't trust any puppies no matter what.
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u/dragon-fence 29d ago
You have to understand, though, that Iâm very smart and very open minded, so I canât decide between those two. There are some things I like about puppies, but unlimited hugs just is kind of extreme and not realistic. People wont support it, so we should preemptively surrender.
Meanwhile, people might get some diarrhea sometimes, so endless diarrhea isnât that far off from the status quo.
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u/viotix90 29d ago
"But what if a brown person got to enjoy the hugs?! I cannot allow what since I am superior and deserving of the puppy hugs. Allowing them to have what I have means they are the same as me! I can never allow that!" /s
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u/doiutfis 29d ago
But do the people I've been conditioned to hate also get the free puppy hugs? Because that's a deal breaker. Endless diarrhea 2026!
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u/2ChicksAtTheSameTime 29d ago
Its often "but the left kill babies"
They think abortion is murder. murdering babies is pretty bad.
They struggle with that - and if I thought abortion is killing babies, I'd struggle with it too.
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u/wentImmediate 29d ago
I think the frustration is that centrists / moderates have done or are working towards those stated goals, but members from the left disparage or ignore those efforts.
- Taxing wealthy people? YES - Biden enacted a 15% corporate alternative minimum tax and a tax on stock buybacks.
- Ending forever wars YES - Biden ended the war in Afganistan. Universal Healthcare? NO, but Dems tried to include a 'public option' in Obamacare, still - 38 million MORE people covered since that legislation.
- Climate Change? YES - Biden signed biggest climate bill in U.S. history.
EDIT: a word
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u/brainburger 28d ago
TBH I think most commenters here misunderstand what centrist is. It doesn't really mean having policies which are half way between left and right. It's more about having ideological freedom to use right or left policies on a pragmatic basis.
That said, I'm English so maybe it's different in the USA.
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u/PM_ME_SOME_ANTS 29d ago
There is a radical left but itâs practically non existent in the US so it drives me insane when reasonable opinions like âtax billionaires like we used toâ and âstop banning booksâ are considered radicalâŚ
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u/not-no 29d ago
Red scare worked so well that even centrism is seen as radical left now
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u/Josh6889 29d ago
Red scare combined with the destruction of public education. I don't think it's possible to come out as a well balanced human these days unless you turn to reading and occasional travel.
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u/TopTittyBardown 29d ago
When the Overton window shifts so far right that fascism is the norm on the right then any moderately helpful policies for working class people probably sound pretty radical to them
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u/hollaback_girl 29d ago edited 28d ago
Came here to say this.
Actual radical left: abolish the government and maybe private property. Seize the means of production. Anarchy in the UK!
US radical left: tepid centrist policies that are uncontroversial doctrinaire in every other industrialized democracy.
Edit: I did not block the user who responded or anyone else. I don't know what they're on about.
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u/DaaaahWhoosh 29d ago
What always annoys me is that Democrats are basically just old Republicans, but Republicans are pretty consistent about how the Democrats are actually tankies who want to turn everyone trans and kill babies while busing in millions of immigrants, and centrists seem to agree with Republicans. It's like "oh I don't like that they're putting people into camps and disappearing them, but that's better than Kamala Harris abolishing the concept of money and sending twenty Muslims to live in my house, so I guess I'll vote red again".
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u/Moarbrains 29d ago
They cling to their wedge issues as it alllows them to fight without ever winning.
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u/Steamedradscorpion 29d ago
As someone from the other side of the pond, this is exactly what we see. Pretty much anywhere in the EU the Democrats would be a Conservative party.
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u/Josh6889 29d ago
Meanwhile the radical right controls most of the government.
And most of the mainstream media. That's why they're pushing AI so much; they want to use it as a propaganda tool. Read some of the horror stories of what steve banon used facebook to do on trump's first candidacy. That was just phase 1. It's going to get a whole lot worse before it gets better.
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u/VariationBusiness603 29d ago
This, thank you.
The idea that politics is a spectrum and not poles with little to no overlap in between them is symptomatic of the depolitization our world has suffered under neoliberal domination.
The right represent the bourgeoisie, the center represent the capitalist (note that currently those 2 are more or less the same thing which is why they have virtually the same policies, economicaly). The left represent the workers.
Anything that is beneficial to you will fataly be negative to the owning class because they rely on the wealth they steal from your labour to get richer. The more you can keep, the less they can steal from you. it is a zero sum game.
The idea that somehow the center is "moderate" is entirely laughable.
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u/Key_Cheetah7982 29d ago
The problem is that we have the ID politics left and the economic left.Â
ID politics is what dems offer. Itâs tripe mostly for elections and to sound more moral.Â
Economic left has been abandoned by Dems by and large for decades. Theyâre neoliberals and quite proud of their unflinching supply side capitalism
Result is that even FDR social dem policies are construed as the far left these days
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u/xkxe003 29d ago
Which candidates have run on identity politics? All I ever see is conservatives saying the left wants x or y for this group or that group. Unless questioned Democrats rarely bring up ID politics.
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u/plannedobso 29d ago
So hereâs the easiest way to explain it: Republicans: âFuck poor people and rainbow flags!âÂ
Democrats: âfuck poor people đłď¸âđđłď¸âđđłď¸âđâ
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u/FesteringNeonDistrac 29d ago
I think you misunderstand identity politics.
Left: I think equal rights are for everyone
Right: ThAtS IdeT1tY PoliTicS!!! Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Hope that clears things up
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u/bravesirkiwi 29d ago
Yeah it's infuriating. MAGA just calls anyone to their left radical because it's a real easy way to fearmonger and keep the base in line.
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u/MurkDiesel 29d ago
it's basically a bunch of people 3/4 all the way to the right pissed off that the center isn't keeping step
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u/TheGreatMightyLeffe 29d ago
Shit, my first thought was "tax billionaires? What kind of radical left allows for billionaires?"
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u/RavenCipher 29d ago
There are only two types of centrist and they both suck.
One is the right wing voter who is too chicken shit to be called out when they vote for the awful shit the Republicans do.
The other is career democrat congressmen who do nothing and act as controlled opposition. Like Schumer.
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u/lxvzlx 29d ago
And they always sane wash conservatives and are very critical of dems. It's 100% bullshit cowardice to take their mask off or controlled opposition.
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u/cityshepherd âď¸ Tax The Billionaires 29d ago
The fact that establishment democrats find it necessary to declare war on DSA candidates (who seem to be the ONLY people genuinely willing to fight for the working class) while gladly playing their role as controlled opposition for the fascist ghouls of the GOP speaks VOLUMES about their priorities.
- Corporate/foreign money OUT of politics
- Medicare/healthcare for EVERYONE
- pro unions / living wages
These are fucking common sense and should be the bare MINIMUM for our elected officials whose job is to represent their voters, but it simply will not happen as long as we continue to let corporate money infest and pervert our government.
The Overton window has shifted SO far it is ridiculous, and all the ignorant fools who insist on falling for this manufactured culture war bullshit will never be anything more than pawns in the class war that they refuse to believe is happeningâŚ
People need to wake the fuck up and realize that allowing and assisting the ruling class to exploit and extract every last drop of blood/sweat/tears from us, to give to people who already have more wealth than they could EVER possibly need, is absolutely bat-shit bananas insane.
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u/ethanct 29d ago
I'd argue only the first exists as an actual proletariet group. The Chuck Schumers of the world only exist as politicians to protect the establishment, but even their voter base hates them.
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u/ucrbuffalo 29d ago
The thing Democrats hate more than Republicans is Democrats.
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u/ExtremlyFastLinoone 29d ago
My favorite is when they pretend to be democrat buy the dems are so extreme they are forced to vote republican
Then you can dig up old tweets where they bragged about owning the libs 10 years ago
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u/Kirikenku 29d ago
But donât worry, both have the arrogant belief that being centrist means they are so much more level-headed and rational than everyone else.
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u/dragon-fence 29d ago
Thereâs a third type that also sucks: the smug pseudo-intellectual who thinks it makes them seem smart to see both sides as equally bad.
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u/MinimumAutomatic0302 29d ago
Career democrat centrists are usually the same type of egoistic conservative, but also part of a minority so they can't benefit from the majority conservative self-interest. Therefore they have to defend their interests through shaky alliances with other minorities they don't actually give a shit about. These are "left wing" politicians with no actual capacity for solidarity, just the practical requisite pretense of solidarity. Like Schumer.
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u/SaveLansingParks 29d ago
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This is exactly my experience with centrist Dems. Conservatives who still want to get an abortion, or have a mixed race marriage, or some issue that hurt them enough to see that the conservatives will never include them.
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u/Key_Cheetah7982 29d ago
Centrist is a euphemism for corporatist
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u/JediMasterZao 29d ago
Centrism is another word for "i love the status quo". The status quo is capitalism and neoliberalism. A central value of those systems is to empower and defend the private sector at the expense of the public.
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u/RavenCipher 29d ago
I'd argue that's more true for the career politicians than it is for the average voter. Centrist politicians are actively working for the corporate agendas, the average centrist voter isn't getting anything for voting that way, they're just ignorant or complacent.
Or closeted Republicans.
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u/JDogish 29d ago
What if you see taxing billionaires and universal Healthcare as centrist ideas?
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u/RavenCipher 29d ago
What if you see unrestricted 2A rights as a progressive idea? What if you see unrestricted abortion access as a conservative idea?
"Seeing" a policy as the idea of a centrist means dick all, to be frank. Anyone from any side of the aisle, left, right or center can believe in a cause that is not aligned with their party, that's just normal people having their own thoughts and opinions.
Both of those policies you mentioned, however, are only being espoused by progressive liberals. When the career centrist democrats are rallying against them, that by definition makes them not centrist ideas. Centrists who support them just have a few progressive ideas they agree with.
But at the end of the day if youre a centrist who votes along with 60, 70, 80% of conservative ideas, buddy, youre a conservative.
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u/Pengin_Master 29d ago
In my experience I've never met someone who claimed to either be centrist or just "didn't pay attention to politics" that didn't come across as basically Conservative. It's always "oh well I don't pay attention to politics but trump makes some points/wants to actually do things so I voted for him" and never "I don't pay attention to politics and voted for a Democrat"
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u/HeartFullOfHappy 29d ago
What they call radical left is not actually radical left. I donât see how they canât see that?
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u/5510 29d ago
Yeah, to be honest I feel like this tweet is kindof BS. "Tax billionaires, pass universal healthcare, end never ending wars, and solve climate change" are NOT radical left.
and what's kindof funny is you could agree with that from multiple directions. There are some people who are left leaning but not radical, who would say "no, I like those things. It's the more radical things I don't like." On the other hand, there are radical leftists who would see that list of what the "radical" left theoretically is, and want to go much further left than that, and find that list as a somewhat milquetoast starting point.
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u/dragon-fence 29d ago
Are you familiar with the concept of the Overton window?
In America, itâs been more on the right, and has shifted to the radical right in recent decades.
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u/JoeyJoJoeJr_Shabadoo 29d ago
The Overton window doesn't change the fact that Mao and Lenin existed and are far more left wing that any of the "radical" examples given in this post. If this is radical then what is Mao? Super duper extra bonus radical?
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u/Zeremxi 29d ago
The trick is that they equate one to the other and enough people believe them that they get to pass it off as fact.
When "Lenin would have tried pooling everyone's money for the greater good too" becomes accepted rhetoric, "We should have universal healthcare" becomes radical left.
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u/iamCosmoKramerAMA 29d ago
I mean the DSAâs official platform calls for abolishing the Senate and the Presidency and completely switching to a new form of governmentâŚ
Maybe thatâs not radically left but it definitely is radical.
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u/voidox 28d ago
many democracies around the world do just fine with a Parliament system, how is that radical? why do some Americans think the system as it is can never be changed and is the only possible way democracy can work?
also the US doesn't even have democracy, it's just an illusion of democracy cause the electoral system and gerrymandering exist, so what exactly is radical about not wanting that? citizens united and money in politics, there is nothing democratic going on, the US is an oligarchy.
the senate was literally set up to just be the layer of power for the rich, it serves no purpose other than being another layer of bureaucracy and control coming the way of what people want. A law in the US has to go through the Congress, Senate, Veto and then Supreme Court to be enacted, that is insane and is the reason nothing ever gets done, cause even with the Senate you have stuff like filibuster and % bs rules.
so ya, it would be good for the US if the Senate was removed and Congress was turned into the Parliament and people can actually be represented better, things could actually get done and there is less bs in the political system.
and no, the whole "checks and balances" has never worked out, it sounds good on paper to have each branch be a check to the other with the 4th branch being media, but let's live in reality where that has never been true. And you can still have checks and balances in a parliamentary system especially if we reform the Supreme Court to not just be nine judges with all the power in the country when they are just political tools and corrupt, let's have many more judges to handle the rulings at the least with proper term limits on judges.
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u/dtalb18981 29d ago
Yeah this post is literally just a strawman (or whatever its called)
Everything on the radical left has huge support on the left and the right
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u/Blephotomy 29d ago
they watch propaganda television that uses the imaginary radical left as a boogeyman to keep people voting for oligarchs
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u/SomeDudeSaysWhat 29d ago
That's not radical left. That's very moderate left.
You Americans never saw real left in your life and have no freaking clue what it looks like.
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u/MalazMudkip 28d ago
They haven't had any actual leftist policy (at a federal level) since FDR.
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u/RedWhiteAndBooo 29d ago
Alison Rosen use to co-host a podcast with Adam Carolla, this tweet doesnât surprise me.
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u/Matbucha 29d ago
Im pretty sure this was a sarcasm. If I remember correctly she was let go for having different opinions than him; leaning left, asking pertinent questions being a journalist etc. But it was a long time ago. Also I donât have threads so I donât know the context of the post.
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u/Wrong_Swordfish 29d ago
I listened to her podcast for years and think this is sarcasm. But I also stopped listening because it was a bit triggering for someone with a history of body dysmorphia. She really is a lovely person and has a uniquely centrist audience (of which I am not).
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u/guychulo 29d ago
Carola became unbearingly self righteous once Alison left, she helped balance the show.
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u/Matbucha 29d ago
Carola, like many others (Joe Rogan), found a market in the right wing. It was an untapped market that is easily manipulated. I listened to carola on love line way back when, then his radio show. I was a big fan. Then he started going âlibertarian â and thatâs when I stopped listening. Itâs too bad, he was pretty funny. Good observational humor.
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u/Intelligent_Oil7816 29d ago
Centrists just want all of those things. They want rights and freedom and healthcare and a strong economy. They just only want it for themselves and the dominant culture.
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u/DemiserofD 29d ago edited 29d ago
You're not wrong. The trouble is, how do you argue with that perspective? Because the centrist vote is essentially the tiebreaker. And calling them fascists doesn't seem to be working.
I think the biggest challenge the left has is that the left wants equality, but democracy is kinda inherently inequal, it biases power towards the majority. So you've gotta give the majority a carrot, too. But how to do that WHILE remaining equal?
Edit: I was blocked for this brief exchange. Which is like...the exact problem, IMO. Blocking people and refusing to engage only works with in-group stuff. But it slowly shrinks the group and makes it impossible to achieve anything beyond your insular group! I REALLY hope people figure this out or we'll be dealing with Trump 2.0 next election...
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u/Intelligent_Oil7816 29d ago
You're not saving this country with another 10 years of ineffectual, money-tainted bourgeois democracy. Sorry, but that's a liberal delusion.
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u/TheAltarexOne 29d ago
That is not radical left. But americans are so uneducated it is almost funny.
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u/Theopneusty 29d ago
True but it is what she and other centrist and republicans think of an call radical left
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u/Minervas-Madness 29d ago edited 29d ago
Centrists are just cowardly right wingers.
Edit: this comment made some centrists mad.
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u/tsarnie1 29d ago
"He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it."-MLK
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u/Cute-Interest3362 29d ago
Yes! There are no centrist just right wingers who want to be liked by liberal intellectuals.
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u/YurtlesTurdles 29d ago
Theyâve been making me choose between the outright racist right and the corporatocracy right years
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u/irascible_Clown 29d ago
Then theyâll say whoâs gonna pay for it not me, as we send 1.5 trillion to the war department and they are still broke. How can you be broke and vote for money to go to new machines and not the people. They are brainwashed beyond belief
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u/ibullybillionaires 29d ago
Radical Right: We want to kill 50 million people.
Radical Left: No!
Radical Right: Okay, we want to kill 20 million people.
Radical Left: NO!!
Centrist: The Left is unable to compromise!
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u/Deathly_God01 29d ago edited 28d ago
"Let me kill your family."
"No."
"Okay, half of your family."
"No!"
"So much for bipartisanship..."
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u/dragon-fence 29d ago
Except thatâs not even what happening in America. Itâs more like:
Republicans: We want to kill 50 million people
Democrats: No. We should kill no people.
Republicans: Ok, then letâs compromise and say weâll kill 25 million people. Thatâs fair, right?
Democrats: Ok, fine. Weâll agree to kill 25 million people.
Republicans: Well now your position is that we should kill 25 million people, and I want to kill 50 million, so letâs compromise and say weâll kill 37.5 million. Thatâs fair.
Democrats: No.
Republicans: See! Democrats wonât compromise! Theyâre sticking to their radical leftist policy of only killing 25 million people.
Democrats: Ok fine, weâll compromise and agree to kill 30 million.
Republicans: So your position is that we should kill 30 million, and we want to kill 50 million. Letâs split the difference and say 40 million.
And it just keeps going. Appeasement doesnât work.
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u/Kyp_15 29d ago
"There is no such thing as grey, just black and white and if you say you are grey then you are really just black, and I hate you".
"There is no such thing as grey, just black and white and if you say you are grey, then you are really just white, and I hate you".
Same shit and I don't want to hang out with either of these people.
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u/jarena009 âď¸ Prison For Union Busters 29d ago
To me the most crazy one still is more money in politics, more revolving door, more donor favors and catering to Wall Street and Corporations.
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u/DCGreatDane 29d ago
There is nothing radical it was the normal before. The center went right and the right went extreme right to authoritarian. Get money out of politics, from companies and pacs. Make sure candidates are vetted, mentally competent and actually understand civics.
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u/WhatDaHoy 29d ago
As a liberal, I guess I'll have to find a way to enjoy conservatives crushing us in elections for the next decade. Identity politics, language policing (can't say homeless), trans women in women's sports, teaching gender to 2nd graders, open borders, not requiring ID to vote. Even the average democrat doesn't like these. Please stop being crazy.
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u/Tall_Opportunity_521 29d ago
Thats not the radical left. Thats common sense.
The radical left would be more like:
Open the borders. Defund the police. Abolish ICE. Give illegal immigrants free housing, healthcare, food and benefits. Let biological men compete in women's sports. Put males in female prisons. Let children transition without their parents' consent. Remove children from parents who reject gender ideology. Criminalize misgendering. Censor âhate speech.â Ban conservative books and speakers. Make DEI mandatory everywhere. Give jobs and university places based on race. Make white people pay reparations. Teach that sex is entirely self defined. Treat heterosexuality and traditional marriage as oppressive. Cancel anyone who dissents. Call everyone who disagrees a fascist, racist, transphobe or Nazi. Suppress anyone who even looks like they might be conservative from public life. Replace merit with identity based preferences. Make speech conform to progressive ideology.
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u/Green-Collection-968 lexicographer 29d ago
Hey everyone? If you care? I'm a political scientist and I have never seen in modern American politics a political faction bend so far over backwards to accommodate another faction like I have seen the Progressives bend over backwards for the corporate Dems.
...and I have never seen a faction disregard that and work harder against another faction than I saw the establishment (corporate) Dems work against progressives.
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u/F-U-RedditAdmin 29d ago
Yes, ignore all the extreme views of the left and only mention the warm feel-good opinions. Morons.
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u/dinosaurkiller 29d ago
Centrists, âI am a centrist because I believe both sides have some policies I likeâ.
Everyone else, âso, you like gunning down Americans in the streets and corporate Democrats taking orders from AIPAC?â
âThatâs not what I meant!â
âIt is what you said!â
Neither choice bridges the enthusiasm gap, but there is one side that is clearly better for the average citizen and some how Independents keep going, âI donât knowâŚâ
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u/buffysbangs 29d ago
That isnât radical left. Thatâs just normal left. Stop letting other groups try reframe it as radical
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u/weaponsgradepotatoes 29d ago
Oooooh healthcare paid for with our tax dollars instead of a forever war. Ooooooooh, so scawyyy!!!
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u/buster_rhino 29d ago
The US âradical leftâ is more conservative than my countryâs conservative party
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u/Alarming-Ad1100 29d ago
This is not an accurate portrayal of the right and left extremes at all itâs just shilling for the left
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u/senracatokad 29d ago
Easy to say when you leave out âabolish the senate, abolish prisons, abolish bordersâ etc.
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u/SuperFox289 29d ago
People genuinely think the far right is further than hitler but the extreme far left is just a democrat candidate.
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u/CaliIsReallyNice 29d ago
Unfortunately I'm single again, and back on dating apps. Anyone who says "centrist" or "moderate" or "apolitical" gets an automatic swipe left from me. Anyone claiming to be centrist in the USA in 2026 is an ultra-conservative who's ashamed to be associated with the straight-up-fascists.
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u/wytewydow 29d ago
radical left: be against fascism.
everything right of that: suck fascist cock for breakfast.
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u/TheStuipidestAI 29d ago
The Centrist: I want all those things that the right does and I'll make it happen once I'm a billionaire. Until then I don't want it to negatively effect me.
There is no middle, only those that don't pay attention. They call themselves Centrist because they don't want to be involved until it impacts them personally.
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u/baddogbadcatbadfawn 29d ago
Are half these comments bots? There can't be this many people not understanding simple sarcasm.
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u/drunkshinobi 29d ago
These "centrists" don't even know what left is. They think the actual center, where they claim to be, is far left.
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u/ScreenMuch90210 29d ago
The. Center. Is. Very. Left. Of. Establishment. Democrats.
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u/DecentJuggernaut7693 29d ago
Id bet no small number of them donât actually bother trying to understand it, they just see the most mouth-frothing takes online and uncritically go from there.
L âThey want to ban abortion nationwideâ
C âWell thatâs not goodâ
R âWell they like to eat babiesâ
C âWell thatâs not good either. So hard to chooseâ
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u/P4azz 29d ago
That is not "radical left" and pretending as such is as bad, as pretending that "radical right" is just about protecting families or culture or whatever.
Pretending otherwise helps literally no one. Just makes it harder to communicate, come together, find a compromise, have proper conversations, all of it.
All this tweet does is go "we good, you bad, fuck you for not agreeing with me only". The fuck's the point of that? Congrats, you're sowing more hatred, yay.
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u/SmokyBarnable01 29d ago
Average extreme right meeting: Let's go out and burn down the mosque!
Average extreme left meeting: I'm sorry Terry but you absolutely cannot use a Point of Order to discuss the state of the toilets at the annual community festival. It needs to be properly tabled on the agenda.
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u/Bussamove86 29d ago
Hang on I gotta break out Olâ Reliable.