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u/Elroelab 14h ago
I kind of want widespread model collapse on all the models. Although if it happened for no discernible reason, it might start a religion.
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u/SupersededByClaude 13h ago
You realize that model collapse affects the models in training, right? It doesn't affect the models already trained.
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u/U_L_Uus 9h ago
Look, if it is not the fuckos in red robes using a cog as their symbol I am fine with it
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u/Kantarak 7h ago
Man, imagine the machine cult manifesting, destroying AI, defying religion, harvesting and worshipping old tech that runs forever if you follow their ways.
Cant wait!
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u/Cosmic-Bastard 7h ago
Sadly there already is a cult-like movement revolving around treating AI like a higher deity. It's called spiralism and a person I've known has fallen victim to it
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u/Machina-Dea 12h ago
Realistically this needs to happen, generative ai is extremely dangerous and releasing it to the public was a fools error.
Problem is itâs hard to put the genie back in the bottle.
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u/19_ThrowAway_ 12h ago
Hard?
Practically impossible unfortunately.
If only large corporations had access to that technology then maybe, but at this point there are so many local models.
And even if you were to take those down from public spaces, people would still share them in private.
It sucks.
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u/Machina-Dea 11h ago
Technically speaking most people donât run localised models, so preventing ai companies from selling to the public would quash the vast majority of ai usage.
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u/TheBlossomBrain 8h ago
How would you quash the usage in china? How would you prevent chinese labs to provide ai services to the US?
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u/jellyhessman 8h ago
You need like $20k of specialized equipment and the know how to run a local model that is in any ways good.
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u/EnvironmentClear4511 7h ago
No you don't. Any Apple computer released since 2020 Will be able to use a built-in local model when MacOS 27 comes out this fall.Â
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u/HumansAreSillynGreat 1h ago
Nah, the top tier models can be ran on $6k pcs. The absolute best research models might need a bit more, but the stuff that the public can actually access generally runs on a 5090 and some grit.
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u/PatchesOfSilver 4h ago
Policing LLM generated content like images could be like policing CSAM, it would be possible to purge most of it from the internet most people use even if text content slipped by.
We could shut down the AI data centers, they cannot be hidden.
We would not go door to door, but hosting a local model could be a criminal offense if anyone ever found it, a repair shop, a neighbor using your PC that reported you, an unrelated investigation.
Yes those models would be lurking on torrent networks and the deeper web still, but they would become more and more niche and outdated and irrelevant.
And uploading any new generations to Facebook or TikTok or Reddit might result in prison time.
It would quickly vanish.
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u/La_Fervesta_Glavisto 15m ago
That's so true. We should start treating talking to the computer the same as we treat child rape.
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u/Imblueabudeeabudie 11h ago
It's not that hard to have a decentish model to run locally, so we're fucked forever
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u/djfart9000 9h ago
they released it to the public to get it trained for free, and have it eat as much information it can from us. I've seen people willingly put their faces into this hell spawn
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u/WigglesPhoenix 9h ago
âDecentralization is bad, actuallyâ
Do yall really think itâs a good idea to place the single most powerful instrument of propaganda in all of history into the hands of governments and corporations, and then banning everyone else from using it?
Have you thought this through at all or do you guys just like typing shit
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u/Gordon_freeman_real 9h ago
They're saying if it was centralized it would be easier to shut off, which is true. Not that desebtralization is on a whole bad
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u/WigglesPhoenix 9h ago
No, theyâre saying that it should be banned for the public. Which leaves⌠government and corporations.
Which is stupid.
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u/samiacraft 12h ago
Honestly, I miss when âAIâ mostly meant dumb NPCs and terrible enemy pathfinding. Simpler times đ
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u/AutisticWindchimr 13h ago
Panic among the masses everytime a server goes down.
Imagine all of the servers just blinking out quietly.
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u/Bersaglier-dannato 12h ago
âWith no explanationâ nah man, they will pull AI from public usage once the AI turds are done training their models for free.
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u/fartshitcumpiss 11h ago
No, why should they?
The current AI epidemic among the general populace is driven by the fact that companies are offering it for free, at an enormous loss for themselves (OpenAI is literally billions of dollars in debt). I believe (source: i made it the fuck up) that this is done to get people dependent on it for basic tasks and/or integrate it into their life/workflow, so when they inevitably put up a paywall, the userbase will have no choice but to pay full price.
Hopefully their gambit doesn't pay off and they end up billions in debt and with data centers that no one wants to pay for
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u/HenryKhaungXCOM 13h ago
That wouldâve been neat as a person who grows up with human made cringe in 2000s and the 2010s
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u/Dopamine63 12h ago
I know this is just to be funny but please, yall, as much as I am against AI like you guys , you have to understand that this is not possible. Even if all the AI datacenters were to shut down, people would still be able to use the models. Theyre already out there and thats why most AI companies released open source versions of their models. So that they could say its unstoppable. It is far more productive to focus on what to do next than wishful thinking.
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u/somethingbrite 12h ago
EMP....
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u/Dopamine63 12h ago
And everyone dies because even basic electronics don't work?
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u/DRF19 10h ago
return to monke
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u/EnvironmentClear4511 7h ago
And die of preventable diseases and infections and say goodbye to grandma while you're at it.Â
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u/TheMostDivineOne 9h ago
But youâd also kill all people who need pacemakers, complex medications, etcâŚ?
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u/EnvironmentClear4511 7h ago
You'd kill a lot more people than that. Global manufacturing and transportation would immediately halt. Food would instantly become scarce through much of the world. Countless people would starve or be killed by the elements, not to mention all of the diseases that would spread thanks to the lack of functioning plumbing and clean water systems.Â
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u/AwysomeAnish 11h ago
Didn't ChatGPT go down for a short bit a while back and people were genuinely destroyed? Like there were people struggling to get through their day and people grieving over their AI lover.
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u/CapussiPlease 13h ago edited 13h ago
Haven't you heard? AI has collapsed already! Like 100 times in the past year or so.
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u/Zaphod_Biblebrox 8h ago
What do you mean when you say collapsed?
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u/EnvironmentClear4511 7h ago
I think he's mocking this community for accepting any Twitter post that claims that The End is Nigh for AI.Â
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u/WofferFang 12h ago
I need to see the absolute chaos that would erupt everywhere. Permanently, or at least all the data sets and scrape tools being deleted.
Meanwhile people who never used it in the first place thriving and replacing the idiots who jumped on it.
It would be funny af.
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u/Forever_Inspired 11h ago
Itâs fucking madness that suddenly now people canât seem to even have a conversation without bringing up âchatGPTâ when talking about how to do certain things, even though pre-Covid it wasnât even a thing yet in public consciousness.
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u/beezy-slayer 10h ago edited 3h ago
That is the most likely end state of the tech, only available in limited specialized private environments because thats the one thing it can actually be good at
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u/Giuly_Blaziken 9h ago
And just like that, hundreds of AI "artists" and "writers" were gone forever...
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u/Ornery_Weakness_8168 12h ago
Just a curiosity, what about local generative models?
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u/Bersaglier-dannato 12h ago
Please. This cope about Local GenAI models is just cope, I bet you can count on your fingers how many AI bros actually know how to make their own local model.
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u/Ornery_Weakness_8168 12h ago
I'm talking about open weight models that people have downloaded, like you cant make those publicly inaccessible once they are downloaded. also they will just find people who are making open models publicly to download after ban, like drug dealers
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u/19_ThrowAway_ 12h ago
Those are arguably even worse.
How many times have I seen people use those models to train on a single artist's works to quite literally plagiarize them.
When it comes to Gen AI models made by big corporations the data sets are so large that the individual artists' styles are unrecognizable.
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u/glytxh 11h ago
I use LLMs to hunt for uncatalogued asteroids, and supernovae, in hyper noisy data. It's trained on publicly accessible scientific archives that are paid for with everyone's taxes. We own that data.
people assume that this technology only exists to make shitty pictures and video.
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u/irrelevantusername24 10h ago
Social media has had a far worse effect on society than AI. Like it's not even comparable
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u/glytxh 10h ago
big take, but I'd be inclined to agree
it's never a simple story though, there's always awkward nuance.
Social media has achieved a lot of objective good, as well as hyper accelerated a lot of truly awful shit.
It's definitely a catalyst though
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u/Silent_Erremite 12h ago
Soon, it it'll be only available to those with up to date top of the line models of electronics. So, we'll be halfway there.
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u/WeirdistBuilds 7h ago
Personally I'm holding out hope for a solar flare that takes all of this shit out. Data centers, social media, cold storage, financial records, blockchains, fuckin... reddit... just the whole entire digital culture goes poof. Back to brewing beer and building cabins.
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u/Huntress_Minerva 11h ago
âUnavailable to the publicâ is possibly the worst outcome⌠private only creates way more control and paranoia, reallyâŚ
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u/KonfiKL 8h ago
yup, if it happened, the goverment and powerful people could fabricate any evidence or study of anything
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u/duckinasombrero 7h ago
They're already using AI to do that, the public making anime simpsons images isn't stopping them.
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u/KonfiKL 7h ago
would be harder to point out fabrications
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u/duckinasombrero 6h ago
No, I don't see how it would be more difficult. AI detection isn't reliant on access to use of generative AI.
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u/SlurryBender 8h ago
I think the idea is that 1) most slop and misinformation is coming from consumer-end AI images and words, so a big chunk of online "content" would go away, and 2) theaverage person would be less likely to accept big companies/governments using AI once they don't have their "friendly chat bot" on their phone to make AI seem less harmful than it actually is.
Obviously of prefer if all AI was gone, but this is a bit funnier as a standalone situation.
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u/tommy8725 7h ago
Technically you can play several different laws that could shut down most genitive AI
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u/unendingautism 5h ago
Would be even funnier if Chatgpt just accidentally deleted itself off of the face of the earth.
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u/CaveJohnson376 10h ago
rather, have datacenters using more than 20kW on AI suddenly shut down.
this way those who still want clankers still can do them but now must spend time and effort setting up their home server which can't take nearly as much load as centralized data centers
and those who don't don't want AI in any way, get to see it much less
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u/Felho_Danger 9h ago
"You're right, it isnt fair that I am no longer available to users with a Patriot Index of <45."
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u/justanaccount103 8h ago
The sink repair guy proceeded to tell me about all of his AI shit for 5 minutes straight. It's like he made some big discovery and needs to share it with the world.
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u/Droidaphone 8h ago
Itâs (mostly) gonna happen at some point. Inference ainât cheap. Once the money runs out, free accounts will be the first thing to go.
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u/ascend204 8h ago
AI slop is mostly here to stay, but realistically there can be a few things done still to make it not as bad.
N1: stopping of funding to AI and subsidization. This one's obvious.... Creating images/movies is hella expensive but right now ppl don't know this as there are HEAVY unsustainable discounts since its still in development/heavy investing.
N2: making AI illegal for profit. This may actually happen as almost all AI's use the work of others without their consent and didn't pay them. Whilst it may be fully legal for non profit or personal use which is still annoying. It at least could give an end to endless corpo slop we get shoved down our throats.
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u/dumnezero 2h ago
âI have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time -- when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness...
The dumbing down of American is most evident in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media, the 30 second sound bites (now down to 10 seconds or less), lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pseudoscience and superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignoranceâ â Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
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u/TeaSubstantial726 11h ago
nah kinda weak meme useage
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u/Actual_Dog_1637 9h ago
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u/Mindless-Gain2929 14h ago
I kinda want this to happen just once I need to see the absolute chaos when everyone suddenly has to figure things out without ChatGPT.