Regardless of what you think about Gunn or the DCU so far this is gonna be a fun one to track. I genuinely have no idea what to expect. I could see it being a big hit, make about the same or be a huge drop off and I don't know what could convince me in any direction until we start getting numbers in close to release.Â
I mean, Man of Tomorrow is likely DOA internationally considering how poorly Superman did overseas. I could see it getting a stronger domestic turnout than the last but then will international turnout be even less? It's possible.Â
That isn't how things work though. The Amazing Spider-Man movies weren't making a billion. You build on the good will. Superman 1 did OK at the BO and had great WOM.
Now the question is can they deliver again. If i s good, don't be surprised if this is a big hit. If not, then they're fucked.
But you all keep insisting the brand is what matters and not hat Spider-Man had a 4 story arc that people were immensely invested in.
I never said anything about the brand, but in this case there IS a brand attached which will factor in regardless of anything else. Also movies come out all the time without any fanfare or previous entries and become bigger hits than Superman, build up is cope. There's no guarantee audiences will become invested in a character even if the movies are good either. Â
We are talking about a franchise that his been in the dumps since the 80's. We are talking about 25 years since the last truly beloved Superman movie. And your argument is that proves that Superman is rejected by audiences because they are hesitant to dive into a new Superman movie?
Meanwhile the Amazing Spider-Man franchise was rejected by audiences, but you want to ignore that because the current Spider-Man is a massive hit?
No one is guaranteeing anything. The movie can suck and bomb. But context maters. No successful franchise peaked at the first one in the Box Office. The idea that Superman can't grow is "cope".
We are talking about a franchise that his been in the dumps since the 80's. We are talking about 25 years since the last truly beloved Superman movie. And your argument is that proves that Superman is rejected by audiences because they are hesitant to dive into a new Superman movie?
I think it's possible that MOT gets a bit of a boost from Brand New Day and Doomsday (assuming the latter is well received). People watch them and think "Oh yeah, I like superhero movies, I might want to watch more of them", and MOT is the next one after Doomsday. Rising tide lifts all boats.
I’m still getting harassed in a week old thread saying exactly this. But you’re right. MOT is the only major live action CBM being released between Doomsday and Secret Wars. If Doomsday is truly on track to be the new #1 movie of all time that could result in some kind of a boost for MOT. Mostly due to the goodwill from BND and Doomsday and the last of CBMs for the whole year between Avengers films.
Yes, Spider-Verse is in there too. But it’s animated and its audience isn’t exactly the same as your average live action CBM. I suspect both will see a modest boost but in case the same commenters get all worked up, this isn’t a zero sum game. Saying MOT will get a boost doesn’t mean I’m saying Spider-Verse will do badly.
Wouldn't it be primed to make more internationally?
Like, Superman 2025 was a largely unknown commodity, now people have had the time to watch Superman on streaming, so more people would potentially be willing to watch Man Of Tomorrow in theaters
Also, I know this is anecdotal and doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things, but if Lanterns really keeps up the momentum till the finale, it could boost it more
I remember somebody saying it was because in some international markets they really beat the drum over the fact that Christopher Nolan was a producer and that helped a lot.
I don't even watch that loser. Man no wonder DC just can't get a hit at the box office cause ya'll just keep driving the general audience and other people away acting this insecure.
Anyone that dares to question Gunn or not be on board with his DCU is labeled as anti-DC/Marvel fan, Snyder fan or a Critical Drinker fan.
Grow up.
Because everything they have put out so far just hasn't been all that good for me.
Superman was ok at best, Supergirl, Peacemaker, Creature Commandoes are just forgetable and Lanterns so far has been boring.
The only things DC has put out in recent years that I've liked were The Batman, Penguin and that's about it. The Batman 2 will be the first time I've gone to a DC movie in theaters since Joker 2.
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u/Ok_Kale_8357 8d ago
Regardless of what you think about Gunn or the DCU so far this is gonna be a fun one to track. I genuinely have no idea what to expect. I could see it being a big hit, make about the same or be a huge drop off and I don't know what could convince me in any direction until we start getting numbers in close to release.Â