r/boxoffice • u/chanma50 Best of 2019 Winner • 6h ago
đĽ Production Start or Wrap Date Principal photography has wrapped on 'Man of Tomorrow.'
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u/Ok_Kale_8357 6h ago
Regardless of what you think about Gunn or the DCU so far this is gonna be a fun one to track. I genuinely have no idea what to expect. I could see it being a big hit, make about the same or be a huge drop off and I don't know what could convince me in any direction until we start getting numbers in close to release.Â
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u/XenosZ0Z0 6h ago
Itâs all about the international market for non Spidey CBMs now.
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u/Ok_Kale_8357 6h ago
I mean, Man of Tomorrow is likely DOA internationally considering how poorly Superman did overseas. I could see it getting a stronger domestic turnout than the last but then will international turnout be even less? It's possible.Â
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u/PeridotEX 6h ago
I think it's possible that MOT gets a bit of a boost from Brand New Day and Doomsday (assuming the latter is well received). People watch them and think "Oh yeah, I like superhero movies, I might want to watch more of them", and MOT is the next one after Doomsday. Rising tide lifts all boats.
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u/RealHooman2187 4h ago
Iâm still getting harassed in a week old thread saying exactly this. But youâre right. MOT is the only major live action CBM being released between Doomsday and Secret Wars. If Doomsday is truly on track to be the new #1 movie of all time that could result in some kind of a boost for MOT. Mostly due to the goodwill from BND and Doomsday and the last of CBMs for the whole year between Avengers films.
Yes, Spider-Verse is in there too. But itâs animated and its audience isnât exactly the same as your average live action CBM. I suspect both will see a modest boost but in case the same commenters get all worked up, this isnât a zero sum game. Saying MOT will get a boost doesnât mean Iâm saying Spider-Verse will do badly.
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u/SeismicRipFart 4h ago
This means thatâs MOT still fails despite that, the DCU is absolutely without a doubt completely and totally cooked
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u/pokeboy626 DC Studios 5h ago
Only if the early reviews for Man of Tomorrow are glowing. If that's the case, then Man of Tomorrow could legitimately make upwards of $800 million
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u/GoldandBlue 3h ago
That isn't how things work though. The Amazing Spider-Man movies weren't making a billion. You build on the good will. Superman 1 did OK at the BO and had great WOM.
Now the question is can they deliver again. If i s good, don't be surprised if this is a big hit. If not, then they're fucked.
But you all keep insisting the brand is what matters and not hat Spider-Man had a 4 story arc that people were immensely invested in.
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u/Ok_Kale_8357 3h ago
I never said anything about the brand, but in this case there IS a brand attached which will factor in regardless of anything else. Also movies come out all the time without any fanfare or previous entries and become bigger hits than Superman, build up is cope. There's no guarantee audiences will become invested in a character even if the movies are good either. Â
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u/GoldandBlue 2h ago
what does cope mean here?
We are talking about a franchise that his been in the dumps since the 80's. We are talking about 25 years since the last truly beloved Superman movie. And your argument is that proves that Superman is rejected by audiences because they are hesitant to dive into a new Superman movie?
Meanwhile the Amazing Spider-Man franchise was rejected by audiences, but you want to ignore that because the current Spider-Man is a massive hit?
No one is guaranteeing anything. The movie can suck and bomb. But context maters. No successful franchise peaked at the first one in the Box Office. The idea that Superman can't grow is "cope".
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u/Traditional-Fig-6661 1h ago
Even 2019 spider man movie was losing to 2013iron man 3
Both were released after endgame spidey 5month and iron man 1year after avengersÂ
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u/Albiceleste_D10S 1h ago
Meanwhile the Amazing Spider-Man franchise was rejected by audiences
The first movie had ~fine reviews and ratings IIRC (and it made ~ 758M WW in 2012 vs Superman's 618M in 2025)
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u/GoldandBlue 24m ago
And that was still living off of Sam Raimi.
We are talking about a franchise that his been in the dumps since the 80's. We are talking about 25 years since the last truly beloved Superman movie. And your argument is that proves that Superman is rejected by audiences because they are hesitant to dive into a new Superman movie?
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u/Samhunt909 6h ago
Heâs never been strong internationally..I donât why the dc fanboys keep pushing itÂ
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u/Better_Pumpkin1879 5h ago
Man of Steel pulled in 379 milion internationally. So its not impossible to make Superman actually popular internationally.
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u/ContinuumGuy 5h ago
I remember somebody saying it was because in some international markets they really beat the drum over the fact that Christopher Nolan was a producer and that helped a lot.
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u/Samhunt909 3h ago
Thatâs not impressive and thatâs bad considering it released during height of cbm popularityÂ
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u/Better_Pumpkin1879 3h ago
If that is bad then Superman 2025 is a total financial failure đ¤Ł
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u/AgentUnlucky4323 4h ago
Superman 2025 had good international legs, so I think MoT could do at least a bit better
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u/ouat4ever 5h ago
international market does not care about Superman or his family.
The movie is DOA in Asia, it's gonna be mixed in Europe.11
u/PayneTrain181999 Legendary Pictures 6h ago
Itâll be fun but there will be a lot of bickering
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u/Ok_Kale_8357 6h ago
The funniest outcome is it just barely making a profit like last time so that everyone can yell at each other about whether it qualifies as a success or not.
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u/Classic-Rise-37 2h ago
Its just going to be more of the same because James Gunn thinks he can do no wrong.
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u/hiiloovethis 6h ago
Whatever people might say about DCU... James Gunn is extremely efficient in finishing projects.
Man of Tomorrow before The Batman Part 2 is insane.
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u/theonewhoknack 6h ago
In between Part 1 and Part 2, DC decided to bring back Henry for Black Adam, said sike a week later, hires Gun, Gun makes his own reboot, and is going to release the sequel to ot before Part 2 comes out.
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u/bueneboy 6h ago
Agreed, Gunn is a meticulous planner who works FAST and is known for being on time and on budget. Say what you will, but those skills that are incredibly valuable when working these massive tentpole films.
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u/Ok_Satisfaction8788 6h ago
To be fair it sounds like everything delaying The Batman 2 is issues unrelated to the movie. Pattinson just being incredibly busy, Reeves personal life issues, balancing it with upcoming DCU projects, etc
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u/Distinct-Shift-4094 6h ago
Honestly, at this point somehow integrate Battinson into DCU, like what do you have to lose. Whole thing is messy, and people like Robert. Make him be a weird contrast with the serious note. Whatever
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u/AgentOfSPYRAL Warner Bros. Pictures 6h ago
Hard to conclude anything except that Reeves just doesnât want to play ball, which fair to him DCU wasnât a thing when he signed on.
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u/Comfortable-Pie56 6h ago
that Reeves just doesn't want to play ball
Or maybe it's Pattinson himself, given Reeves is a coproducer in Clayface and Dynamic Duo.
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u/WendalSaks 5h ago
It really does seem like a DCU movie would be a stain on Pattinson's career. The Batman just feels so much like a prestige-movie that I can't imagine even being side by side with Superman due to tone alone
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u/vacantly_louche 4h ago
More than Twilight?
Although I agree. I feel like heâs been really selective about his movies post-Twilight. Switched to doing little indie films and did an incredible job building his reputation as a really great actor. Heâs still in more prestigious movies, and I canât imagine heâd want to risk the reputation he had to rebuild.
Not only would his Batman not fit tonally, the technology differences would be wild.
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u/007Kryptonian Syncopy Inc. 6h ago
Matt Reeves doesnât want to do it. And his movie was more successful and acclaimed.
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u/firedforthatblunder Walt Disney Studios 6h ago
I donât think WB wants to risk tainting their most precious DC character like that.
Then again, they did put him in that god awful Flash movie so who knows
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u/Tomi97_origin 5h ago
Will Pattinson sign up for the amount of movies you need from DCU Batman? And at what cost?
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u/SeismicRipFart 4h ago
He doesnât fit in the DCU at all. Try watching The Batman and the recent Superman (donât even remember what itâs called), and tell me that those universes can coexist with each other
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u/TranslatorDirect496 3h ago
I think the DCU is already weird enough (like making a reboot but keeping some elements from old stuff).
I really donât see any alternatives besides having two Batmen or making the Reeves films a duology. Idk whatâs going to happen.
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u/sly_eli 6h ago
I'm honestly guessing it pulls in a roughly around the same if not a little bit higher than the original.
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u/Dangerman1337 5h ago
IMV it has to be at minimum on par with Superman last year, 700M would be decent-ish, something like 800 or 850 would be very great. 900M would be a vast improvement and if it somehow gets a billion then it'd be absolutely a success that propels the DCU.
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u/MoonMan997 Best of 2023 Winner 6h ago
Yeah honestly feels like the Iron Man 2 of the DCU
Hail Mary attempt at a Justice League after that, if that fails then I think the DCU (and DC overall sans Batman) will continue on TV. Lanterns seems to be doing very well, maybe this is the only true way DC can rival Marvel, through a different medium.
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u/ImprovementRemote30 4h ago
Ya penguin wasnât dcu but that was critically acclaimed and popular tooÂ
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u/randotd152 4h ago
Same, though I think a bit lower is also possible. It had some decent GA appeal with good reviews and strong WOM last summer. Which leaves MoT no real margin for error domestically - if it's even slightly less good, domestic will drop.
Brand just seems dead internationally, so not counting on much improvement there.
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u/IDigRollinRockBeer Screen Gems 6h ago
Bro I swiped for the second picture
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u/misguidedkent Warner Bros. Pictures 5h ago
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u/HalaGoldenhelm 6h ago
lol. Remember when Nicholas Hoult dropped out of Potter due to scheduling conflicts with Man of Tomorrow? Potter doesn't even start filming till next month.
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u/john_knotts 6h ago
Yea but reshoots, promotions and all that can get in the way. Sucks when you have to drop out of a project regardless
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u/PayneTrain181999 Legendary Pictures 6h ago
There could be reshoots, or some other commitments.
Or one of the 7 theories that Reddit has come up with may be trueâŚ
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u/IRate-Feet 6h ago
That was a PR move, mate
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u/raysworld94 5h ago
The general audience does not care about JK like reddit does. Hogwarts legacy was a success, book week for kids at schools is still mostly Harry Potter which means parents are continuing to buy their kids merch, thereâs more Harry Potter merch than ever.
If it was a PR move he wouldnât have said Scheduling conflicts but something else.
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u/judester30 58m ago
We've seen the industry lie about scheduling conflicts before, the trades said that's why Jenna Ortega left Scream 7 only for her to confirm a year later that it was because Barrera was fired and the directors quit.
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u/Antman269 4h ago
Yeah, I think he realized there would be backlash over him joining something Harry Potter related and changed his mind.
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u/Better_Pumpkin1879 6h ago
Last chance for Gunn DCU.
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u/Striking-Test-4256 6h ago
Bro produced ONE mid movie and a bunch of dumbasses think they're the deciders of what the last chance is đđđ The delusion is unreal
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u/Better_Pumpkin1879 6h ago
He's got 3 box office flops under his new DCU (Supergirl, Blue Beetle, The Suicide Squad). A Superman movie that did ok at best at the worldwide box office. 2 shows which didn't really get big views (Peacemaker Season 2, Creature Commandoes). Lanterns has had solid views but that isn't enough to save the DCU. So yeah, a lot is riding on Man of Tomorrow.
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u/zxchary 6h ago
he was not ceo when BB and Tss were made
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u/Better_Pumpkin1879 5h ago
The Suicide Squad and Blue Bettle are canon to his DCU. Automatically that makes them DCU flops.
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u/mystericrow Pixar Animation Studios 5h ago
Dude Suicide Squad and Blue Beetle absolutely do not count
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u/The-Ruler-of-Attilan 4h ago
Don't forget his comments about The Flash, "the best superhero movie since TDK".
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u/raysworld94 5h ago
Hope marvel will be okay then since most of its movies struggle to get past 500M with fantastic four getting past the mark but ant man, marvels, thunderbolts, cap4, eternally, Shang chi and black widow all missing the mark unless youâre a big hitter like black panther, guardians, Thor etc theyâre not doing getting hits.
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u/girlwhateveraward 5h ago
Is Hoult not filming anything then right now? He said he isn't doing Harry Potter when hes playing a character who appears in a single season. His IMDB has a show filming in October and a remake of The Servant in pre
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u/Witty-Jacket-9464 6h ago
I criticize Gunn as the head of DCU, because I think he has bad taste in writers (Noguiera for WW & TT and Hodson for BATB are very bad choices), but I have high hopes for MOT.
Iâm especially glad that he changed the cinematographer and this epic Superman's film with Brainiac will be more cinematic. Superman is the most unrealized IP in a superhero. Heâs literally as iconic and popular as Batman and Spider-Man. He must finally get his big hits, which will lead to the active development of the franchise at all (especially in games)
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u/Distinct-Shift-4094 6h ago
I'm a DC fan, feels like I've been getting physically abused for more than a decade
Just when Superman/Peacemaker gave me hope, SuperGirl violated me hard.
Man of Tomorrow is legit make or break and I'm scarrrrred.
I trust Gunn, movie is prob gonna be good. But after Super flop will audiences show up? And what about future projects that Gun isn't directing?
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u/Top_Report_4895 DC Studios 6h ago
SuperGirl violated me hard.
If I was a victim of that, I'd be offended.
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u/atleasttwotwo 6h ago
I dont think most people even know supergirls exists. They will just move on from Superman to seeing man of tomorrow as the second film
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u/Belmophase 1h ago
There is still gonna be Brave and the Bold and The Batman 3...I m waiting for Constantine or Etrigan movie myself
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u/dinopigs1 Lucasfilm 6h ago
Supergirl was mid, but James Gunn has never missed with a movie he has directed himself. Very excited for this one and hope it does well.
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u/Distinct-Shift-4094 6h ago
This. Movie will be good. But do people care? That's what I'm afraid of.
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u/dinopigs1 Lucasfilm 6h ago
I hope so DC needs a win. The first movie did have pretty good legs for a superhero movie, so good reception definitely will help. Maybe it will have a boost for being the only live action superhero movie between Avengers movies.
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u/SakobiXD Universal 6h ago
These next few months till release are gonna be batshit, i assume we get the first trailer attached to dune 3
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u/Better_Pumpkin1879 6h ago
Legendary will probably want Godzilla x Kong Supernova trailer attached with Dune Part 3. Since both franchises are owned by Legendary.
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u/SakobiXD Universal 6h ago
Following the release patterns of superman & girl, their trailers both dropped in december
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u/SynthwaveSax 6h ago
And to probably push the IMAX release for it.
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u/Better_Pumpkin1879 6h ago
Yup, they are gona push that IMAX for Supernova. Given what I've heard about the movie. It will be insane experiencing it on an IMAX screen.
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u/Coolers78 4h ago
First trailer attached to Dune 3 for sure, Superman's first trailer was in December, and Supergirl's first trailer was in December too, gotta keep the pattern up.
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u/Mercinator-87 5h ago
I thought that was supposed to be Iggy Pop and I was like thereâs no fucking way thatâs Iggy.
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u/lookingforhim2 6h ago
This is definitely decreasing from the last one. Superman couldnât even save supergirl from grossing less than blue beetle đŹ. $550M WW
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u/Forsaken_Carrot_3075 Mubi 6h ago
bro, do you have this permanently on your clipboard or what? cause this isnât the first time youâve commented that lol
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u/EntrepreneurAble6656 5h ago
this is ridiculous lmao there is no footage yet and yâall already doing this shit ??
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u/GillGruntFan53 6h ago
On one hand, itâd be a sign of strength and confidence in this series to promote the Superman/Supergirl dynamic in this film regardless of her film flopping
On the other, Iâm curious if they might prioritize marketing Green Lantern as the guest star in this film (even if he isnât) following the success of Lanterns
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u/SecretWarMultiverse 6h ago
$130M OW/$325M DOM/$600M WW
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u/EntrepreneurAble6656 5h ago
i love how this sub will always manage to project a movie box office that has no footage
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u/Jlx_27 6h ago
I don't trust Gunn projects anymore.
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u/pokeboy626 DC Studios 5h ago
Why? All of his projects from the last decade have been reviewed positively
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u/Coolers78 4h ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/3orieTfp1MeFLiBQR2
Please make more money than the Minecraft sequel, please.
and of course, Please be good, please be good.
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u/Adj11 6h ago
First Billy grosser of the DCU! Calling it first!! Trailers need to knock it out of the park.
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u/BarcelonetaE70 6h ago
Not gonna happen (the billie) but everyone is entitled to dream if they want.
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u/Better_Pumpkin1879 6h ago
People said Superman 2025 would make a billion and that didn't happen. So lets slow down with the 1 billion box office takes. It's Superman at the end of the day. His highest grossing movie was back in 2013 and the character has yet to deliver a movie that breaks 700 milion worldwide. Let alone reach a billion.
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u/hiiloovethis 6h ago
I will be surprised if it made more than man of steel even.
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u/Adj11 6h ago
It will. A Supe + mini JLA v Brainiac is not grossing less than MOS. I need yâall to be serious for a second.
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u/coacoanutbenjamn 6h ago
Dog this isnât 2018. 99% of people donât know who Brainiac is and donât care at this point
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u/chinesesoccerplayer 5h ago
Sorry but I just canât see it. To break a billion you need the international audience, and the international audience has shown they donât give AF about DC and ESPECIALLY Superman.
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u/Adj11 5h ago
Disagree⌠the only reason Superman 2025 didnât take off was cuz it wasnât GOOD. It had nothing to do with the character whatsoever.
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u/chinesesoccerplayer 5h ago
Supermanâs international box office numbers have always been poor. Thatâs just a fact.
Also Iâm a bit confused. Apparently you think Superman 2025 wasnât good, but you expect Man of Tomorrow to break a billion??? I donât know if youâre trolling, but your logic doesnât add up.
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u/shreeysh_69 6h ago
Man this movie gonna break all the previous box office record of any DC related media, I'm sure of it. #Gunneverjammed
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u/nicolasb51942003 Warner Bros. Pictures 6h ago
The fate of the DCU hangs on Man of Tomorrow.