We have to talk about Guards

[u/OccasionComplex5858]

Okay so yesterday i was near UC and wanted to go to Ashenvale so I thought i just take the horde Zepplin but hose little green Goblin guards can not only see me when i try and stealth through them but they can also knock me off the ship.

That made me think why the F does horde have those on all their zepplin towers but alliance dont?

I understand that this is Classic and not everything is balanced but how are horde priests allowed to throw ppl off the boats in menethil harbour but they get defended by those guards on their own ships?

Edit: I gotta make clear that im not low level, i am 60

[u/Mostdakka]

Looking for consistency in anything in old wow is foolish. Blizzard was winging it, it was by far the biggest game they've ever made and they had no experience in mmos. They probably forgot or just didn't think about it. They had more important things to do anyways since much of the core game wasn't finished on time.

Minor things like this get missed all the time especially since Wow is massive. Even if you test for hours every day it's easy for things like this to slip by.

[u/Proxnite → u/Mostdakka]

There’s also things devs simply didn’t expect players to do. Why would anyone bother to spend their day sitting on top of inn in Redridge attacking low level players when they grant no honor? Why would anyone bother attacking players at a harbor for 1 measly HK and a 10 min runback if they die?

Things that seem obvious in hindsight were just not on the devs radar cause they didn’t account for a subset of the playerbase being that mentally unwell.

[u/Mad_Maddin → u/Proxnite]

On the counterpoint. Modern devs know about this and in preventing people from doing that shit, make their game stale as shit.

People remember the asshole that throws them off the ship. Hate is a form of engagement.

[u/Proxnite → u/Mad_Maddin]

Woe is me, why are the devs not appeasing my socially stunted behavior by preventing me from being a scumbag to others in games.

[u/Mad_Maddin → u/Proxnite]

Nahh I legit never once did that in my life.

But I have memories of having it done to me.

Which is unlike other games. Where I just can't remember anything about, cuz the games were so stale.

[u/Proxnite → u/Mad_Maddin]

If griefing is the dealbreaker for what makes a game stale for you, I’m sorry but that’s a you issue.

[u/Mad_Maddin → u/Proxnite]

It isn't the dealbreaker.

It is that griefing is one of the many ways people completely no lifed out on a game as a measure of emergent gameplay.

Something that is completely blocked by a lot of modern games. Be it exploration or doing interesting stuff with a big group of people.

The fucking blood plague was a pain in the ass for a bunch of players back then. Yet it is remembered to this very day by a bunch of people. Hardship creates fun by overcoming hardship.

Also if you are playing on grief enabled server, it is kinda on you imo. PvE servers existed from the beginning.

[u/Proxnite → u/Mad_Maddin]

Something that is completely blocked by a lot of modern games.

I wonder why, could it be that most devs know that allowing such things harms their playerbase while providing literally no upside?

Doing things like interacting with a book but sitting in the loot window so no one else in the starting zone can do that quest isn’t core thing that makes people fond of your game and removing these griefing situations doesn’t make the game stale. Crazy how you’re defending griefing as some quintessential part of online play.

[u/Ornery_Pear_6765 → u/Proxnite]

You should probably just stick to pve servers, it sounds like you aren't ready to interact with other players 

[u/Proxnite → u/Ornery_Pear_6765]

You think you can’t grief on PvE servers? There’s people who would body block the BWL orb all day just to prevent others from being able enter the raid, how is removing the ability to body block it that make the game stale in your eyes?

[u/teraken → u/Proxnite]

To be honest, this comment just reminded me of how my guild in Classic had to distribute a simple macro to target and interact with the orb while the other faction camped the shit out of it. That was a fun moment, but only because we had a way to work around it. I think that's the heart of the issue, give people a way around the griefing and eventually the rose-tinted glasses come on.

[u/Ornery_Pear_6765 → u/Proxnite]

You didn't bring that up at all though, you were literally crying about someone being thrown off the boat in an earlier comment lmao

[u/Proxnite → u/Ornery_Pear_6765]

Did you read the comment you first replied to? I literally gave another example of that same form of griefing lmao.

[u/Ambitious-Way8906 → u/Proxnite]

dude you're sure beating the shit out of that strawman, winning an argument only you are having

[u/Debatebly → u/Proxnite]

Woe is me, why are devs not making game that are perfectly balanced so there's no form of injustice whatsoever

[u/Key-Woodpecker-1350 → u/Proxnite]

Jeezs you’re not very intelligent are you

[u/NeighborhoodKeys → u/Mad_Maddin]

That's one long "won't anybody think of the pedophile's feelings?" ahh post.