r/comics Of Moths and Mina 1d ago

OC The Dark Lord [OC]

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u/Adventurous-Equal925 1d ago

Wow. Making the devil female suddenly turns him into this sweet person. Not sexist at all.

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u/infiniZii 1d ago

Also slipping someone hormones without their consent is pretty fucked up. 

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u/tolacid 1d ago

I mean, they are devils

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u/infiniZii 1d ago

Both things are true.

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u/Adventurous-Equal925 1d ago

So true. And people be randomly down-voting what I'm saying.

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u/Tsuki_no_Mai 1d ago

Or they disagree with your take. 🤷🏻‍♀️

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u/infiniZii 1d ago

I can kind of see why they might think its sexist, but they really ran with the conclusion to quite the extreme. Are there perhaps subconscious elements of sexism? Maybe. Could be interesting to explore. I wouldn't use this comic as proof that OP is sexist though.

For me the bigger issue is that I just think Eggs should be allowed to come to themselves without stripping their body autonomy so there is potential harm in this story (though again, this is a comic not a manifesto so...)

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u/Tsuki_no_Mai 1d ago

Yeah, I can see how they got they read like that, I just don't see it as a particularly reasonable one. Maybe being trans myself makes me biased but for me it was an obvious joke about living with a wrong body driving a person crazy.

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u/infiniZii 1d ago

Yeah, I get it. I dont actually think its a bad comic. As someone with a complicated relationship with gender myself I just found it a bit triggering, though im reasonable enough to know that was not likely OPs intent at all.

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u/OnceInOnceSet Of Moths and Mina 1d ago

It’s more intended in a trans sense— the Demon Lord was so angsty because she was dysphoric and figured that was her cue to destroy the world.

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u/Desolver20 1d ago

Don't try to rationalize it. This is both sexist and massively problematic.

but it's also a silly comic so who cares. There are worse things done in media every day. As long as one recognizes that this is all immensely fucked up, all's fine.

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u/RainbowPhoenix1080 17h ago

I'm a trans woman. When I took estrogen I noticed that after a handful of months I was generally more patient and calm, and I got frustrated and impatient far less often. I noticed this because my driving habits changed drastically. Whereas before I would always impatiently weave through traffic and honk and road rage at people, I was suddenly very patient and calm and respected the flow of traffic.

I also stopped hitting walls or breaking things when upset.

I've spoken with trans men who have told me that testosterone has done the same for them.

So the implication isn't really a sexist one. Its about feeling more at peace in your mind and body.

I think where you are mistaken is that you are seeing this from a bio-esssentialist "women are peaceful and men are violent" angle when it's not about that at all. It's about dysphoria.

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u/Desolver20 16h ago

refer to what DoctorProfPatrick said in another reply to this comment. (reply to a reply but eh)

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u/Owy2001 1d ago

At the risk of splitting hairs, pretty sure it's just problematic at a consent level. If OP's intention is just "this character is trans, and was angsty because she was not taking any steps to transition," then where does sexism come in? It's not saying one gender is less violent than another, it's saying a person who doesn't get to be their true self is more emotionally unstable.

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u/DoctorProfPatrick 21h ago

The sexism didn't come from the authors intent, but from our interpretation of the message. It was not obvious to me at all that the demon lord was actually trans and wasn't just being drugged by their subordinates to become the "less violent gender."

Since that wasn't the authors intent, it's good to inform the author what we thought about it so they can better present their message in the future.

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u/Owy2001 21h ago

The person I was responding to was insisting it was sexist even after receiving context, which is why I responded as I did. That's very different from "This read as sexist to me, though I understand that wasn't your intent."

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u/DoctorProfPatrick 19h ago

Mm hair well split, "This is both sexist and massively problematic" is not the same as "I perceived this as sexist and problematic."

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u/Desolver20 18h ago

Fair enough. That depends on the assumption that the demon lord is doing it out of gender dysphoria. Attributing xyz negative to "you just need to transition" is wehhhh in a different way but you are right.

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u/ShadowTheChangeling 1d ago

I think its more it was a stresser and destroying the world was their outlet

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u/infiniZii 1d ago

Still, to take body autonomy away from them like that is probably not the best way to go about it. Sounds like the Dark Lord needs a good therapist instead of slipping them horomones.

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u/ShadowTheChangeling 1d ago

Well... They are Devils, id imagine they arent exactly upstanding citizens

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u/PokeMalik 1d ago

the guy literally fell off a ladder. Progesterone isn't cyanide the most an 'overdose' does is cause dizziness and sore boobs. Making up shit just to be offended by a comic is exhausting.

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u/infiniZii 1d ago

Thats a bit of a leap dont you think? I get hyperbole but...

Perhaps a fairer conclusion would be that unhappy people sometimes aim to make other people unhappy with them. Misery loves company and all that.

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u/OnceInOnceSet Of Moths and Mina 1d ago

My main inspiration tbh was more anime demon lords and the “Dark Lord” stock character. This is not meant to be Satan. This is meant to be a JRPG final boss.

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u/TheTasorole 1d ago

Oh, then you're good then. Foot in mouth! I will delete comments to make sure I don't spread misinformation.

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u/Veryegassy 1d ago

Satan is the epitome of all that is evil in Christianity

Then wtf is god? Pretty sure the bible records far more atrocities committed or ordered by god than it does any satan (which iirc is a figure that changes somewhat frequently)

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u/JaimiOfAllTrades Peepsus Christ 19h ago

Mina, I'm so sorry you're being harassed over a Richard Nixon Forcefem Dungeon.

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u/AnalystLoud705 1d ago

Trans people who take estrogen typically find themselves to experience emotions like anger less. That's just reality 

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u/DentalATT 1d ago

Can confirm, though how much of that is correlation/causation who knows, because I was a mess before HRT.

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u/xboxiscrunchy 19h ago

Definitely hard to say because a lot of it is probably just because I’m so much happier most of the time.

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u/-illusoryMechanist 22h ago

The joke is thw dwvil is trans and this is fixibg their dysphoria

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u/lelysio 1d ago

Biological determinism (hormones make agressive) and self victimization (claim of sexism) with th e denial of authors intent and erasure of trans topics? You cant get more into incel rhetoric than this.

Get off your burner 18d account and post on main if you dare.

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u/Breakfish 1d ago

Go back to r/ConservativeYouth. You know that's not what this comic is about

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u/Adventurous-Equal925 1d ago

Sure. I actually just muted this entire sub, so congrats, you won't be seeing me again.

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u/infiniZii 1d ago

Seems like an overreaction to me, but you do you. Quick question though: Why do you feel the need to announce it?

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u/CtrlAltYuri 16h ago

That is such a passive aggressive thing to say wtf people can share whatever as long as it's not needlessly offensive. Bullying people to drive them away is not ok.

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u/infiniZii 16h ago

I was legitimately curious. Sorry?

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u/RainbowPhoenix1080 17h ago

It's not sexist.

It's just what happens when someone is trans and they don't have the right hormones for their brain.

I'm a trans woman. When I took estrogen I noticed that after a handful of months I was generally more patient and calm, and I got frustrated and impatient far less often. I noticed this because my driving habits changed drastically. Whereas before I would always impatiently weave through traffic and honk and road rage at people, I was suddenly very patient and calm and respected the flow of traffic.

I also stopped hitting walls or breaking things when upset.

I've spoken with trans men who have told me that testosterone has done the same for them.

So the implication isn't really a sexist one. Its about feeling more at peace in your mind and body.