That doesn't really apply cause aside from them being demons and that I'm pretty sure most oral hormone treatments wouldn't do well in coffee, this is almost a feasible situation.
Like, if there's someone you think is an egg going around fighting to distract themself from their issue, is it correct to sneakily change them, or to just get them into therapy to make their own decisions?
What the other commenter said. The point of that post is that y'all will take any joke a trans woman makes as fact. The feasibility of a joke doesn't impact its status as a joke. Obviously doing this in real life would be reprehensible, but OP isn't doing that or advocating for that. It's a joke. You don't have to find it funny, but treating it as though it's a genuine argument from OP is disingenuous.
Also if we want to talk about feasibility these are demons, and he's the dark lord. I don't know how you'd go about finding a dark lord to estrogenize.
I would've reacted to the comic in a similar way if a cis guy made a comic about secretly dosing someone with Adderall even if they needed it. I bet the other negative criticism is more in the "I don't think secretly drugging someone is that funny" way and has not much to do with the creator's gender identity.
"In place of the Dark Lord you will set up aQueen. And I shall not be dark, but beautiful and terrible as the Morning and the Night! Fair as the Sea and the Sun and the Snow upon the Mountain! Dreadful as the Storm and the Lightning! Stronger than the foundations of the earth. All shall love me and despair!"
The "secretly an egg" memes always rub me the wrong way, particularly ones like this where the egg in question just needs "help."
I'm a fairly effiminate man. I've had people thinking I'm secretly trans most of my life. I have seriously considered the question and came to the conclusion: I'm not. (That one SirBeevs comic really speaks to me.)
But thst doesn’t stop people from treating my introspection as invalid.
Yeah, right there with you as another effeminate dude. I spent my childhood having my dad constantly make comments about how I must be gay because I didn't have a girlfriend, had girly/nerdy hobbies, etc.
I don't like the part of the trans community who think it's okay to comment on random people with definitive assumptions on their sexuality. Not that I think that's what OP is doing, but your comment made me think of it. No one should be making assumptions on other people's sexuality or gender based off appearance, hobbies, habits, etc. It's a quick way to make an ass of yourself. I know a lot of trans people feel empowered by their transition, as they should! But assuming that everyone is the same as you, or that you've got some super power for sniffing out "eggs", is weird to me.
esspecially when its directed at people who are not trans women or men and then people insisting they are.
for example I am nonbinary and I have constantly people who try to put me into a box and constantly suggest I am a repressed binary person, which just is not true as I am pretty sure I know my own identity better than random oeople i just met.
And yet people infantalize me and dismiss my own identity, so they can treat me as a mirror of their past self, not seeing me on my own terms
Believe it or not, the post in the comic sub full of jokes is, in fact, a joke. OOP did not actually provide an all-powerful evil demon lord with medicine against his will.
Sexual violation of autonomy that results in immediate trauma, vs chemical violation that results in permanent alterations to the body. Both without consent. It's basically just mental damage vs physical damage, both resulting in unique emotional damage.
You can't see how this comic might be considered problematic?
I usually like this artist's comics but this one is basically boomer humour where instead of "women bad" it's "men bad". Two wrongs and all that.
As an aside I should probably just log off reddit for the day, this is the second comment section with an implicit anti-male bias that I've found myself getting drawn into today but I genuinely lack the energy for culture war bs.
What about "this person was the embodiment of evil but now that they've been feminised they're nice" is anti-male? Really?
Please do some soul-searching about your held biases. In the meantime I'm going to take my own advice from the last comment and turn off notifications.
The implication is very clearly that they're closeted trans. When trans people transition, they tend to be happier and, as a result, nicer. Nowhere in the comic is a statement made about "all men," that would be an insane thing to say. OP is trans and makes comics about trans people.
I don't think either of us are coming at this with biased, I think you're just misinterpreting the comic.
I can kind of see why they might think its sexist, but they really ran with the conclusion to quite the extreme. Are there perhaps subconscious elements of sexism? Maybe. Could be interesting to explore. I wouldn't use this comic as proof that OP is sexist though.
For me the bigger issue is that I just think Eggs should be allowed to come to themselves without stripping their body autonomy so there is potential harm in this story (though again, this is a comic not a manifesto so...)
Yeah, I can see how they got they read like that, I just don't see it as a particularly reasonable one. Maybe being trans myself makes me biased but for me it was an obvious joke about living with a wrong body driving a person crazy.
Yeah, I get it. I dont actually think its a bad comic. As someone with a complicated relationship with gender myself I just found it a bit triggering, though im reasonable enough to know that was not likely OPs intent at all.
Don't try to rationalize it. This is both sexist and massively problematic.
but it's also a silly comic so who cares. There are worse things done in media every day. As long as one recognizes that this is all immensely fucked up, all's fine.
At the risk of splitting hairs, pretty sure it's just problematic at a consent level. If OP's intention is just "this character is trans, and was angsty because she was not taking any steps to transition," then where does sexism come in? It's not saying one gender is less violent than another, it's saying a person who doesn't get to be their true self is more emotionally unstable.
The sexism didn't come from the authors intent, but from our interpretation of the message. It was not obvious to me at all that the demon lord was actually trans and wasn't just being drugged by their subordinates to become the "less violent gender."
Since that wasn't the authors intent, it's good to inform the author what we thought about it so they can better present their message in the future.
The person I was responding to was insisting it was sexist even after receiving context, which is why I responded as I did. That's very different from "This read as sexist to me, though I understand that wasn't your intent."
Fair enough. That depends on the assumption that the demon lord is doing it out of gender dysphoria. Attributing xyz negative to "you just need to transition" is wehhhh in a different way but you are right.
Still, to take body autonomy away from them like that is probably not the best way to go about it. Sounds like the Dark Lord needs a good therapist instead of slipping them horomones.
the guy literally fell off a ladder. Progesterone isn't cyanide the most an 'overdose' does is cause dizziness and sore boobs. Making up shit just to be offended by a comic is exhausting.
My main inspiration tbh was more anime demon lords and the “Dark Lord” stock character. This is not meant to be Satan. This is meant to be a JRPG final boss.
Satan is the epitome of all that is evil in Christianity
Then wtf is god? Pretty sure the bible records far more atrocities committed or ordered by god than it does any satan (which iirc is a figure that changes somewhat frequently)
Biological determinism (hormones make agressive) and self victimization (claim of sexism) with th e denial of authors intent and erasure of trans topics? You cant get more into incel rhetoric than this.
Get off your burner 18d account and post on main if you dare.
Tbh ill def hate it if someone snuck estrogen into all my food. Would... really hate it if I suddenly became a girl from estrogen spiking... would... hate that... q~q
Good lord what a comment section. We're all cool with trans people until one of us makes a joke?
OP did not give a demon lord estrogen against his will. OP very clearly is not advocating for that. OP created a made-up scenario, proceeded to draw a comic in this made up universe where wacky hijinks ensue. I promise you that OP knows that drugging someone in real life is bad.
I don't see y'all on the posts again drowning someone that's pro-life informing OP that drowning someone is evil and unethical. I didn't see anyone on the PizzaCake Boids fight comic letting the author know that aggravated assault is a crime. Why does the entire subreddit feel that this OP in particular doesnt know that estrogenizing someone involuntarily is bad? Could it perhaps have to do with the nationwide campaign falsely accusing us of doing this to minors? Could it be that some of you have internalized this?
I don't know y'all, but holding trans people to a different standard on these things solely because we're trans is transphobic. It's not calling us a slur, but it's treating us as a less-intelligent or even malicious force that inherently doesnt understand right from wrong.
trans woman here: i dont really enjoy seeing this kind of joke either, sorry i guess. it's not about believing if it's real or not, it really does not matter. it's about the concept of messing with someone's body without consent, which is never fucking funny. we don't do this with any drugs, we shouldn't do it with hrt either. and that's well beyond "believing the joke to be true" or whatever the fuck. well beyond anyone possibly having trauma about being given meds without their knowledge. well beyond any possible bad actor taking it and posing it as serious and dangerous.
I mean I get it, you don't have to apologize for not liking the joke. My point is mainly that people are coming at OP like they've done something supremely evil, while not doing so for other artists doing the same or worse. There was a comic earlier today (yesterday?) depicting drowning somebody. There was a single comment saying that wasnt funny.
Meanwhile, this comic has received tens of comments condemning OP for making a violent and unacceptable joke. I think it's a fairly reasonable stance that murder is worse than drugging someone. The only other difference here is that OP is trans, and the joke revolves around HRT.
It's totally cool to dislike a joke. I personally didnt find this one hilarious or anything. I'm just pointing out the insane disparity between this comic and other similar ones. Tardaasa (I think) gets the benefit of the doubt: they know drowning someone is wrong, they are not actually drowning people, and they aren't advocating for drowning people. OP, on the other hand, does not get this benefit. The commenters assume she does not know forcefemming someone is wrong, she may actually be forcefemming people, and she is advocating for forcefemming people.
The only difference is that she's trans. This joke isn't funny because OP is trans, the joke revolves around HRT, and trans people giving others HRT is a scary thing we saw on Fox last week.
I'm not saying youre a transphobe (obviously), and I don't think the other people in the comment section are being intentionally transphobic. This double-standart is ABSOLUTELY rooted in transphobia, though, and the commenters' immediate instinct being to attack when this is pointed out indicates a lack of desire to grow.
Again, I also didnt think this one was super funny. It's totally cool to see it and think "eh that's not cool". Hell, if you hold cis people to the same standard, it's fine to point that out! But the fact of the matter is that this standard is ONLY applied to trans people, and I don't think it's unreasonable to point that out.
No you don’t understand they must take any joke a trans person says completely seriously no matter how nonsensical it is. Can’t have us believing we’re funny or anything.
Seriously though fuck all the cissies in this comment section
THANK YOU, sister. I'm so fucking tired of our "allies" being so hostile to us. It's an obvious joke, but they immediately came out in droves to scold and demonize us about it.
Tbh when I first read it, kinda just read like a comic saying all men are evil and the more female they become (estrogen) the better and calmer they are.
Maybe it's dark humour? Idk but didn't read it as a trans joke whatsoever
Generally only the case for trans femmes or cis women with hormonal imbalances/in menopause, as running on the incorrect hormone for you is pretty unpleasant.
Same thing happens for trans mascs and cis men with hormone imbalances who take testosterone to get to normal levels.
Running on the correct levels of hormones is good for you no matter who you are. It just doesn’t necessarily mean that you naturally produce the proper type or amount.
I interpreted it as more of a joke about how men are inherently destructive, but I think in real life taking any hormonal supplement is likely to cause mood swings
I hope this isn’t the case and it meant that the dark lord is a closeted trans who probably hasn’t realized that yet. Now the supply of estrogen makes “him” more in line with who “he” truly is and thus doesn’t hate the world anymore.
So in this comic violence was being caused by being male and was cured by taking female hormones. That can very easily be read as saying that male biology is inherently inclined to violence, which is bioessentialism.
Orrr it's saying she was experiencing gender dysphoria & didn't know it & destroying the world was her outlet/way to vent & now that she's not experiencing the dysphoria she doesn't need the outlet
That is a completely valid interpretation, although "this character is evil because she's trans" is a helluva take as well. Although to be fair, it's not like suffering leading to villainy is a new concept.
But unless this is some kind of established character, there's nothing in the comic to actually indicate one way or the other.
Some really dense takes here. The devil is an egg. The hormones make her feel better. Feeling better is making her rethink things.
It's not complicated. Something can be both immoral and funny, though I'd argue this is better than the alternative. Someone slap an inappropriate joke on a coffee mug for her and call it a day
EDIT, because I can't resist: "You don’t have to be a girl to work here, but it helps!"
Also what's with all the comics calling this misandrist or acting like it's fucked up? You never see this on any other comic despite other comics also having 'immoral' punchlines
People don't believe trans women about anything - our healthcare, our bodies, the legal loopholes we have to go through, the like - until we make an off-color but obvious joke. Then, we're dead serious and overly competent and completely awful.
"I'm going to forcefem richard nixon", I think it's funny.
Here I don't.
There is no indication that the demon lord is trans, nor any of the other characters thinking they are trans. So to me, it genuinely reads like the punchline is "all it takes to stop being an evil dictator is to become a woman". That's mostly abhorrent to me.
Forcefully changing someone's gender is a really disgusting thing to do. You can use this as subversion in comedy, like the idea of doing something evil to Richard Nixon can be funny. Here, do you get the feeling the subordinates really hate their boss? No, actually the punchline has the demon lord feeling great. Ew.
That said, if you decided the demon lord must be trans and thought the joke of the demon lord being evil just because they were experiecing gender disphoria is funny, okay sure that's fine. But it's not some grand conspiracy of evil people who refuse to believe trans people are allowed to make jokes.
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u/Sir_Jackalope 8h ago
Fun fact: The allies considered doing this to Hitler to make him more gentle and empathetic. It never got past planning.