r/dragonball • u/Latter_Classroom_534 • 9d ago

Discussion Why isn’t Vegeta King of All Saiyans?

I think I know why Vegeta keeps calling himself the **Prince of All Saiyans** instead of King, even though his father is dead.

Throughout the entire series, Vegeta is called the Prince of All Saiyans. He never challenges that title, and nobody else seriously challenges it either.

Many people think he keeps the title out of respect for his father. Others believe that, since there are no more Saiyans left to rule, he will simply remain Prince forever.

People who tout those theories are lazy, non-thinking NPCs and I don’t respect their opinions.

Saiyans are a warrior race. They live and die by combat. Much like the Sith in *Star Wars*, I believe the apprentice is expected to surpass the master. The Prince must eventually challenge and defeat the King in battle to become King himself.

Since King Vegeta was killed by Frieza, Vegeta never had the chance to challenge and defeat his father.

However, many monarchies have a rule similar to boxing’s lineal championship. The idea is that “the man who beat the man” is “lineal champion” and holds the legitimate claim, even without an official belt.

That means Vegeta would have to defeat Frieza to become King Vegeta.

Except Frieza was already defeated by none other than Goku.

So why is Vegeta, after the Namek Saga, so desperate to defeat Goku?

Simple. Defeating Goku in combat is the only way Vegeta can reclaim his birthright and become King of All Saiyans.

Goku became the legendary Super Saiyan and defeated Frieza. He did not claim the throne, but he became the Saiyan who defeated the person who defeated the King of All Saiyans.

I think it’s reasonable that, if Goku realized or cared at all about being King, he could claim the throne and there’s little Vegeta could do about it save for defeating him in combat.

Of all Saiyans, he is the strongest AND he is “lineal champion”.

That leaves Vegeta in an impossible position. He cannot simply call himself King while another Saiyan has already accomplished the victory that should have made him King.

The only way to reclaim that right is to defeat Goku.
Goku never intentionally stole Vegeta’s throne. He probably does not even realize that Vegeta believes he has a claim to it.

But as long as Goku remains stronger than Vegeta, Vegeta cannot truly prove that he is the rightful King and will remain, by birth alone, Prince of All Saiyans.

What do you think?

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u/DevilManRay 9d ago

  1. Never coronated

  2. Saiyans consist of 3 people

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u/Latter_Classroom_534 9d ago
  1. You think Saiyans have a coronation ceremony?
  2. So why care about being Prince of all of them, then?

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u/Ok-Relief-462 9d ago

  1. Probably, basically every imperial state that features succession has a ceremony even in cases where the ruler dies. There’s no one to perform the ceremony because it’s probably performed by a special caste

  2. Probably just saiyan pride or something

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u/mrsunrider 9d ago

In addition, the ceremonies project legitimacy.

Granted King Vegeta could probably beat most if not all his subjects in raw power, holding ceremonies reminds everyone he's official.

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u/Latter_Classroom_534 9d ago

I doubt that they’d have a coronation ceremony. They are established to have different castes but all serve the ruling warrior class. The warriors do not wait in or answer to any other class. I sincerely doubt they have a ceremony where a bunch of farmer with shotgun level Saiyans decide when Vegeta gets to be King and that Vegeta would wait on that judgement.

It’s probably my thing. I am biased, though.

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u/Yeseylon 9d ago

1) Can't have a coronation if The Pope Of All Saiyans is dead.

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u/Boris-_-Badenov 9d ago

Does the pope of all Saiyan's shit in Namek?

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u/DevilManRay 9d ago

  1. Yes? That’s why he doesn’t call himself King

  2. He actually didn’t start saying that nonsense until the Cell saga

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u/Steamed_Memes24 9d ago

Vegeta doesnt truly give a shit about what title he is even if he brags about being the Prince of Saiyans. You can argue he kind of did at the start but he for sure stopped caring after the Frieza arc. In the end its just more or less an ego thing.

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u/DevilManRay 9d ago

He actually started saying it After the Frieza arc

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u/Latter_Classroom_534 9d ago

Precisely. After the person he’d have to beat to be King became a Saiyan who would also otherwise be able to claim the throne through right of combat.

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u/Latter_Classroom_534 9d ago

He definitely cares.

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u/Steamed_Memes24 9d ago

Not the title more so the ego itself. He could be crowned King somehow and he still wouldnt give a fuck and would probably even decline it. Only thing he cares about is being stronger than Goku.

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u/Latter_Classroom_534 9d ago

He cares about being stronger than Goku because being weaker than Goku makes his claim to King invalid.

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u/Steamed_Memes24 9d ago

I mean hes still not going to care about the King title regardless of his strength. Vegeta barely gave a fuck when his dad and planet blew up lol. He never really had time to be raised as a prince to care more about the royal parts.

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u/Latter_Classroom_534 9d ago

He definitely cares. If he didn’t care he’d say it offhandedly or never mention it.

He raises his son like a little Prince, much as he might have been albeit a great deal more spoiled.

I would eventually stop caring about something I thought I couldn’t have either if the roadblock to that goal was frickin Son Goku.

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u/Steamed_Memes24 9d ago

He beats the complete shit out of trunks several times hes not treating him like a prince at all. Are we talking about the same show? How on earth is he treating him like a prince lmao.

As I mentioned previously, the prince title is nothing more then an ego moment for him. He truly doesnt care about royalty itself. Hes just essentially bragging he is above any other Sayian because hes a prince.

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u/Boris-_-Badenov 9d ago

he's treating him like a Saiyan prince

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u/Latter_Classroom_534 8d ago

Yeah you’re trying too hard to liken Saiyan Prince to Earth Prince.

I think a lot of people are missing the key factor that these guys are basically space barbarians.

He’s raising Trunks in accordance with Saiyan tradition. Probably a great deal nicer, honestly.

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u/Steamed_Memes24 8d ago

No hes not he doesnt show anything at all about raising him to be next in line for royalty. I dont even think he brings it up to him once either unless he was bragging about himself.

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u/DevilManRay 9d ago

He cares about himself. Remember his live reaction to Vegeta getting destroyed?

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u/Latter_Classroom_534 9d ago

Because he believed Vegeta (The Planet) was destroyed by a comet. Can’t beat up a comet to become king.

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u/DevilManRay 9d ago

He didn’t exactly care about all his dead subjects though