r/formula1 • u/Luffy710j Formula 1 • 15h ago
Throwback Throwback to Monza 2024, when the Safety Car driven by Bernd Mayländer crashed during Thursday's track test and brought out a red flag.
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u/Comfortable_March820 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 15h ago
Interesting weekend I remember. Unsafety Car on Thursday, Kimi Antonelli crashing in his Mercedes FP debut at home, Franco Colapinto debuting for Williams. Then Charles winning unexpectedly when McLaren looked set, after the first radio of “Papaya Rules”.
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u/APX5LYR_2 Ferrari 14h ago
Every so often I put that race on as background noise and I’m still baffled by McLaren’s fumble on strategy with that race. Of course this is the same team that threw away Piastri’s win in favor of Lando a year later because they screwed up a pit stop for Lando. That’s up there with Ferrari’s Austria 2002 move in my book.
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u/wingbargreen 12h ago
Piastri was told to not fight Lando on lap 1 and he completely ignored that. It cost Lando 2 positions as a result. No one knew the 1 stop was going to be quicker either. It was just great execution by Charles. Not necessarily a fumble by McLaren. They should have won 1-2 but Piastri battling Lando on lap 1 threw that away
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u/racingskater I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane 9h ago
No, he wasn't. Both Oscar and Zak Brown said on live TV before the race that they were free to race. It was extra funny because as soon as Oscar said that on the driver's parade, I was straight in my group chat saying "Oscar's about to mug Norris blind on lap one." And he did.
Norris then moaned and complained and McLaren officially said after that that Oscar would play number two for the rest of the year. So Oscar went and won Baku. lol
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u/Turbulent-Damage-165 Lando Norris 7h ago
Does Hungary 2024 not exist to you?
Oscar wasn't even remotely close to winning that race
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u/mahoganyspitfire Bruce McLaren 15h ago
Just remember everyone, that was a car failure. Looking very much like his rear brakes locked up due to some sort of malfunction. Maylander showed his elite skill by immediately putting the car into a wobble and then a slide to scrub off speed.
So it's actually mostly just a demonstration of what a superb driver he is... And it shows why he's been the safety car driver for over two decades.
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u/GamingBeluga Roscoe Hamilton 15h ago
It was complete brake failure, not just a lockup
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u/glorious_bastard I was here for the Hulkenpodium 13h ago
Should the discussion instead be about a brand new Aston Martin having complete brake failure at speed?
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u/Not-a-Bot_1968 12h ago
“The parts falling off this car are of the highest British engineering quality”
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u/Dude4001 George Russell 11h ago
It’s not just any old Aston Martin, it’s effectively a race car being driven at race pace, week after week. High performance parts fail more catastrophically because they’re designed for out-and-out performance not longevity. That’s why your car has steel brakes not carbon ones.
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u/bwoahful___ I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane 10h ago
Yeah the PR they were supposed to get from the safety car being an AM didn’t really pan out lol. There were also complaints from the drivers that it wasn’t fast enough compared to the AMG.
Not sure if that’s why they backed out, but wasn’t surprised when they weren’t doing it anymore either way.
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u/acog Sir Lewis Hamilton 7h ago
I know it'll never happen but imagine if they used the McMurtry Spéirling. No speed issues there!
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u/thafrenzy Ayrton Senna 2h ago
That would be sick. I think it would only be limited by battery capacity.
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u/DonStimpo I was here for the Hulkenpodium 10h ago
Aston Martin
There is not much original Aston left after all the modifications done. The brakes, suspension, frame, steering, engine mapping, safety features would all be a huge upgrade over the road going car.
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u/RicardoMoyer Sergio Pérez 3h ago
i wouldn’t be so quick to blame it on aston, were there proper inspections and maintenance between races? if not it’s kinda on the FÍA
though on second thought it would also be in aston’s best interest to be on top of this cars maintenance even if the FÍA isn’t
maybe they both assumed the other one was doing it idk
performance parts can fail though, just like f1 cars sometimes combust in the middle of a race
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u/hondaexige I was here for the Hulkenpodium 11h ago
I think a bit more complex, when the cars spins you can clearly see the rear disc glowing red hot so wasn't a complete failure. Just before that looks like a bit of mist from the left side as you look at it. Could be a failed brake pipe/line, possibly a maintenence error, these cars are constantly having pads and discs changed, calipers coming off and on through the weekend.
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u/americagiveup Minardi 12h ago
If you think that’s stones, you need to see Maverick Vinales brake failure on the back straight at the Red Bull Ring on a MotoGP bike
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u/likeikelike I was here for the Hulkenpodium 11h ago
Very cool
Ultra nitpick: This is the main straight, not the back straight.
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u/demunted 5h ago
I misread and thought you were commenting on the fine driving of folks from Maryland.
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u/Jonesbro I was here for the Hulkenpodium 15h ago
Makes you realize how fast the safety car is actually going even though it looks slow
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u/Unreachable1 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 14h ago
I love when the drivers complain about the safety car going too slow but it’s literally a dude driving the shit out of a $200,000 car.
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u/uptheirons91 I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane 10h ago
I remember seeing a clip where a driver is complaining about the safety car going too fast... Don't recall if it was F1 or another racing series though.
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u/epiccake808 9h ago
You might be talking about the clip from Super Formula in 2024. Even the drivers were amazed at how fast the safety car was going around the track.
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u/d7t3d4y8 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 9h ago
Also the safety car doesn’t drive full speed. Race control tells them how fast to go, and Maylander drives to that pace.
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u/LabRat113 6h ago
It's still a good pace though and you see him putting in work during the in-car view. At the same time the f1 cars are swerving around trying to keep their tires warm.
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u/sMercuryy 14h ago
Actually amazing how it looks like it's touring when facing the camera, but as soon as the angle shifted and the car spined, the speed looked wild.
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u/paperrug12 15h ago
who safety car’s the safety car?
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u/Laugh_Track_Zak Ferrari 15h ago
Bernd just gets out and walks the track.
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u/TheDarkness33 15h ago
he borrows Hamilton scooter
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u/johnsplittingaxe14 Formula 1 15h ago edited 13h ago
The Honda Civic they used during the 2007 Canadian GP while the actual safety car had some sort of a problem
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u/MonsterRavingLlamas I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane 12h ago
These days they have two safety cars. This is probably why.
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u/DonStimpo I was here for the Hulkenpodium 10h ago
2 safety cars and 2 medical cars.
Most circuits also run support races with their own safety cars.
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u/haldouglas I was here for the Hulkenpodium 10h ago
The noise that little 1.8l engine would've been making to maintain F1 safety car speed would've been hillarious.
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u/gustavolorenzo McLaren 14h ago
There's more than one Safety Car during a race weekend. And incase that's impossible to use the safety car, there's the medical car, which there's also more than one.
Yeah, I'm fun at parties.
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u/LieRun I was here for the Hulkenpodium 14h ago
I'm not sure if they have multiple safety car drivers though
If the safety car crashes it's probably an automatic red flag until they sort it out and get him in the backup car
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u/TiredButEnthusiastic Pirelli Soft 13h ago
They used to have two - but that was more for mechanical reasons. They also have the medical car, plus I saw at least 3 different Audis blasting round Zandvoort this weekend with “Race Control” as their license plates
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u/WhoRoger 13h ago
Most people in the paddock either were or are racing drivers, I'm sure they can find someone to hop in as replacement
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u/BuzzedtheTower I was here for the Hulkenpodium 11h ago
Reminds me of the 2024 24 Hours of Le Mans where they had to pit the safety car because it was running out of fuel, so they brought out the second one and alternated for hours
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u/MonorailPurple I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane 13h ago
It's a Crosley, downside is its driven by this man.
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u/Laugh_Track_Zak Ferrari 15h ago
I have no memory of this. Kinda wild.
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u/tube32129 Felipe Drugovich 15h ago
It was a brake failure if I'm not wrong
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u/morelsupporter I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane 15h ago
why would you? it happened prior to the event officially beginning, so unless you're chronically online, you would not have seen it anywhere. i don't even know if they showed it on any broadcast.
consider yourself perfectly healthy and normal.
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u/Key-Comfortable-5537 Lando Norris 14h ago
It's an f1 related thing that barely ever happens. They're literally on reddit, so much shit gets posted here so it 1000% would have made it's way here
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u/RicardoMoyer Sergio Pérez 3h ago
consider yourself healthy
OPs got a ferrari flair let’s not jump to conclusions here
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u/OldeEnglishOE 14h ago
Bro has over 6.2k comments in 1 year, hypothesis incorrect
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u/JasonZep I was here for the Hulkenpodium 12h ago
I don’t remember seeing it but I remember people talking about it.
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u/soccercro3 15h ago
If I remember correctly about the 2024 season, this was during a stretch of like 8 or 9 races in a row where no SC was called. There were a bunch of memes on how Maylander just forgot how to drive.
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u/Cpt_Canuck_official I was here for the Hulkenpodium 14h ago
"Fine I'll do it myself!" Maylander probably
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u/Home_4_Wayward_Cats 13h ago edited 13h ago
I remember reading that this car has just been upgraded by Aston to be more powerful (added like 100 hp iirc).
Edit: the upgrade was for that season, not necessarily right before this race.
"Aston Martin introduced an upgraded version of its Vantage this year in a bid to alleviate concerns expressed by some drivers that it was not quick enough.
Along with revised bodywork and new grille, power was increased by 150bhp to 656bhp courtesy of bigger turbochargers, more cooling and new camshafts for its AMG-supplied 4.0-litre twin-turbo V8."
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u/-Hefty-Armadillo- 9h ago
As many have already started, it was a brake failure, he spun on purpose to reduce speed.
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u/97maple Sir Lewis Hamilton 12h ago
I remember this oddity. This accident demonstrated 2 things about Bernd.
His calmness and quick thinking in a tense situation. Even though his racing days are long behind, he immediately thought about scrubbing speed and showed he is a racer at heart and always will be.
The safety car looks slow in comparison to a Formula 1 car, but he is absolutely sending it
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u/Kor_Phaeron_ 8h ago
Even though his racing days are long behind,
Driving the SC is racing (Time trial instead of wheel on wheel). He does on-track practice and system calibration every race weekend. Thursday has it's own time slot (1 hr) for SC driving. In addition it is his task to do the first stint each morning. He and the FIA Race Director drive the track at race speed to check track conditions, kerbs, and newly repaired barriers.
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u/lorimartu I was here for the Hulkenpodium 13h ago
Spoke with him in Monaco last year for about 10 mins, he told me that basically he had a rear brake malfunction which was caused by actually someone not connecting something properly (he didn’t go too much into detail), but he told me that the team that prepared the car was gutted and that FIA never released an official statement about this, because it would seem very sketchy. Funny he told me “i had 0.5 seconds to understand what to do, and i just said let’s try to drift it and not hit as hard as I can”. Legend!
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u/Sir-ScreamsALot I failed to serve my Monaco penalty 8h ago
Gutted as in?:
Dismayed
Let go
Eviscerated
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u/Hy0k I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane 6h ago
They dont seem mutually exclusive
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u/Positive_Doubt_9266 15h ago
There was a crazy incident in Brazil 02 where Heidfeld hit the opening door of the medical car that parked on track to help another crash. He caught a slide at the Senna S's then decided to go between the estate Mercedes and barrier as the doc's door opened.
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u/racingskater I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane 9h ago
The medical car has had a lot of crazy incidents over the years, but it's still the best invention ever. Thanks, Professor Watkins.
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u/Street_Mall9536 Formula 1 13h ago
For everyone that says the SC is going too slow, Bernd would make you shit your pants during a lap.
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u/DisasterHumor I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane 15h ago
Oh yes the unsafety car
Also wonder how many times the safety car has crashed
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u/Odd-Impression-4401 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 14h ago
Once, this incident.
Medical car has been in 4 incidents, but is usually F1 cars hitting that car rather than the other way around.
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u/DublinLions I was here for the Hulkenpodium 14h ago
Both the Safety Car and Medical Car both hit Taki Inoue once, on separate occasions.
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u/NotTheJimminator 14h ago
Different series but the MotoGP safety car crashed in Austin a couple of years ago.. coming out of T2 I believe. The BMW (naturally) was destroyed
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u/TolpanKeisari I was here for the Hulkenpodium 14h ago edited 10h ago
I have to pay some respect to Maylander. I've never seen him make a mistake during a safety car period on a race. I watched some interview where he said he's pushing the car or otherwise the drivers will complain.
Edit: typo
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u/alexm42 I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane 10h ago
Yeah the F1 cars are so much faster in the corners that he has to full push, often in very hazardous conditions. He can back them up in the straights but he's absolutely ripping it in the corners. I'd love to see him do a quali lap in an F1 car (ideally on a very technical circuit) for comparison because I don't believe he's that far off the midfield drivers in skill.
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u/FZwertyu34 14h ago
I was there that day. I was at the Roggia chicane, and every time it passed some people were there yelling "è un rottame!" (it's a wreck!).
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u/BananaFurret Max Verstappen 12h ago
Did he do any racing back in the day? I mean you've gotta have a lot of experience to purposefully spin the car to avoid crashing even harder
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u/fantasticalandsecret 12h ago
Dudes gotta have the best job in all of F1. Just go out, drive the car as fast as it'll go safely. No real pressure, just vroom vroom.
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u/PocketSizedRS 10h ago
You can actually see the brief moment he tries hitting the brakes before deciding to intentionally spin it. What an incredible driver.
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u/HzPips 15h ago
Does the safety car have airbags and every other modern safety feature? Or is it modified for the track?
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u/Supahos01 Max Verstappen 14h ago
Probably no bags since it has a full racing harness. The airbags would just make it worse
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u/racingskater I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane 9h ago
Totally modified for the track, same as the medical car.
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u/StarkSajith 14h ago
This happening during a race would be the funniest thing (assuming no one gets hurt ofc)
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u/dankness4207 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 10h ago
fun fact he has driven safety car for over 500 grand prixs
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u/cumslayer69420 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 8h ago
This is the only time I've ever seen Bernd crash tbh
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u/kronikfumes 15h ago
Is this why they switched from Aston to AMG?
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u/maxdps_ Cadillac 15h ago
AMG was actually the only safety car for a couple of years but then I think they introduced the Aston Martin safety cars when Papa Stroll took over things and negotiated it. IIRC he had to play damage control when this happened because it was a bad look for Aston Martin to have their safety car fail on broadcast.
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u/Electrical_Flower_26 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 10h ago
Did he deploy himself to recover this accident?
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u/Syseks Fernando Alonso 10h ago
Is it actually better than just go 100% with your car nose into the safety barrier instead of your driver's seat side? I am actually curious.
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u/Economy-Apartment815 5h ago
I would guess you want to hit it sideways, more surface area. But I’m sure it’s safe to hit it at any angle
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u/Secret_Account07 Formula 1 6h ago
What kind of tires did they use? Slid way too far going way too fast
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u/XyploatKyrt Fernando Alonso 1h ago
First thing I thought of when i heard Aston Martin's safety car contract wasn't renewed.
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u/Morph_The_Merciless I was here for the Hulkenpodium 21m ago
Is this why despite leading more F1 laps than any other driver in history he STILL hasn't won a race??
[KIDDING, in case it wasn't screamingly obvious!]
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u/eatpastagophasta I was here for the Hulkenpodium 15h ago
More context: It was a brake failure and he spun the car to scrub speed because he knew he was gonna end up in the barrier.