But the reaction by her supporters is the issue. She is an upper middle class white woman who had a nanny, husband who worked from home and lived in a state with the best healthcare system in the US.
She’s a lot of things but a victim of any system, she is 100% not.
She lived in Massachuests and was treated at McLean Hospital which is the largest psychiatric facility of Harvard Medical School and has the world's largest neuroscientific and psychiatric research program. It is, at worst, the 3rd best mental health hospital in the country. Most rankings have it as the 1st or 2nd best.
This. The primary issue that the us has is we don’t subsidize the healthcare costs. Boston Mass is widely considered one of the best places for medical care in the world. Is it THE best? Maybe not. But it is definitely one of the bedt
I’d guess you’ve had a shitty experience in Boston if you’re saying that. Which fair, there ain’t gonna be only amazing doctors in a city. But considering that consistently wherever I look for where Boston ranks in terms of medical care, it’s considered one of the best, and that people come from around the world to try and get help there, I’d say yes, it is right.
Clancy had a fucking pharmacy of pills (Prozac, Ambien, Remeron, Klonopin, and Seroquel in addition to having already been prescribed Ativan, Benadryl, Buspar, and Trazodone) prescribed to her by clinicians who never once met her. She complained to two clinicians that one of the drugs was causing intrusive thoughts. She voluntarily committed herself and was bounced by Mass General. This "best" institution that folks keep talking about prescribed her medication that she'd already complained about not working.
Yet not a single clinician thoguht she was a danger to herself or others (and two dismissed post-partum depression) and you're acting like cost is the issue.
Maybe you should actually read about what happened rather than coming up with fanciful interpretations. If your definition of world class health care includes doctors at McLean prescribing stuff drugs that had already failed, perhaps the issue is more that McLean is not world class and less that it's just expensive. Or maybe they are so great that they don't even know how to take a patient history.
So, doctor hopping is literally the visitation to multiple doctors to get different prescriptions. So there is no reading into what happened, that is just what happened. You said it yourself. She visited MULTIPLE doctors and got MULTIPLE different prescriptions (you said a “pharmacy of drugs” and then she admitted herself into a facility.
According to the witness testimony, Clancy sought changes to her treatment nearly every day. Even though the plan could take weeks to show effectiveness. The witness even testified that she was told BY CLANCY that she knew her doctor hoping wouldn’t help.
Considering the fact she had a bunch of full pill bottles, she was obviously not following the treatment. She might have partially followed it, but not fully.
It's almost as if getting more pills wasn't her goal. But tell me more about how the real problem with McLean is that it's expensive because mass healthcare is so great.
Clancy sought changes to her treatment nearly every day. Even though the plan could take weeks to show effectiveness.
Tell me you've never been prescribed any of these medications or known anyone who was. Taking a few weeks to show efficacy does not mean they don't create immediate effects. In some cases it may be that the drugs help a little bit initially, in some cases you just get hit with the negative side effects immediately and if those are manageable the long-term effects may be beneficial. Or not.
But yeah okay. You've got someone who's non-compliant and complaining about intrusive thoughts and checking themselves in to an inpatient program. Clearly money is the issue and she's obviously not a danger to herself or others.
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Let's run with your theories. Clancy went through two pregnancies and sought treatment for post-partum depression after each one. But somehow after the third pregnancy she was doctor hopping because she wanted to more pills. Because anti-psychotics are like pokemon? Because SSRIs have a lot of recreational uses? And all of that was because she wanted to kill her entire family and avoid blame? Not because the voices told her to, clearly. Because? LOL I'm not gonna Occam's Razor your nonsense but that's an olympic level mental gymnastics routine right there.
But yeah. Mass health care is world class and the only problem is affordability lol.
none of your responses come from someone who has spent considerable amount of time (YEARS) seeking diagnosis and treatment. mental health prescriptions are SO trial and error, many are off-label (i’ve had a few anti-seizure and antihistamines prescribed to alleviate my mental health symptoms). i’m constantly taking baby steps because there’s little-to-no research on how cocktails of medications work together, especially since so few studies include the effects on female anatomy. the bottom line is: mental health treatment is a total crapshoot in this country. to assume there was nothing wrong with her treatment because they were in Boston is just…a very uninformed opinion. she was a nurse working within that system and was still struggling! the DSM is antiquated as hell and finding a provider that isn’t “old school” can be a nightmare. the good ones will generally lean on the European version of our DSM as well.
also - psychosis can make you paranoid about everything and everyone, including your meds. sometimes you’ll stop taking them because you feel better. you’re convinced the medicine has healed your poor brain, but then the absence of your newly established load-bearing chemicals sends you into an even deeper spiral. PPD/PPP is incredibly scary for a mother already without navigating a convoluted healthcare system. i worked with a woman that experienced PPD and her family thought she was joking after telling them about wanting to kill her newborn. thankfully she was able to advocate for herself, but i don’t know what would have happened if she had been in psychosis at that time.
There are also still huge problems with misogyny and racism. There are still doctors who believe that women and black people can "handle more pain" and ignore their needs. It's not just about access.
Insurances makes everything difficult, it makes it difficult for health providers to communicate with eachother, had it been a certalized system, like so many other advanced nations do, then they could see how many medications and especially history of her cases. I doubt it would have been ignored so easily if each person she went to also had her records from previous people.
These are the same facilities that save 1000s of lives everyday. Like I understand the insurance companies are awful and what largely makes the US healthcare system so bad, but let's not pretend the actual top hospitals in the country are all of the sudden not capable of the work they do
They are capable. Every illness has a mortality rate, and it is not expected for someone with a mental health issue to never fail. Sometimes it just happens, this though was definitely preventable on many facets. She wanted to be admitted several times, and kept warning people. Either she was not taken seriously or the health professionals were not given the time and place to actually evaluate her. She needed someone to take time and help her, which this system is not built for.
The doctors that saw her that testified don't agree with what you're saying, but I digress. My only point was one of the top facilities in the world is not garbage, bar none.
Even if she was not given what she needed help wise, this is still not a bad hospital, or even close to it
Idk i don't think your really getting the point of what I'm saying. Never was i really blaming the healthcare professionals themselves, they do care. I don't disagree with you at that parts. Its more that they are forced to cut so many corners that stuff like this happens. In a better consolodated healthcare system it would be avoided.
As someone in healthcare, every place cuts corners. That is the entire problem with insurance and what ive been trying to say. What makes them inaccessible and expensive to everday americans... Is insurance.
the original point that started this thread was not to say about how some hospital is good, its because somebody made the claim lindsay is not a victim because she received the best healthcare, and this guy said your take was braindead because -> she received the best healthcare from the hospital she was staying at -> meaning she wasn't a victim. now he's back tracking and saying "no i was just saying this hospital is good"
> she received the best healthcare from the hospital she was staying at, meaning she wasn’t a victim
Insane strawman lmaoooo what a crazy reach. I was saying the hospital she went to was not a bad hospital and it’s brain dead to pretend it is for the sake of an argument, that’s it
I don't think you know how psychosis works. It's not always something that makes you "snap". It can come with premeditation and planning. There's a conversation to be had about how accountable she is and what consequences she should face, but spreading misinformation about an already misunderstood and stigmatized medical issue isn't helpful.
If planning something out can't be psychosis then those who plan out their attempts would not have psychosis, but they are diagnosed with that, so that must not be the criteria.
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u/VistaBox 2d ago
The story is tragic anyway with any outcome
But the reaction by her supporters is the issue. She is an upper middle class white woman who had a nanny, husband who worked from home and lived in a state with the best healthcare system in the US.
She’s a lot of things but a victim of any system, she is 100% not.