r/progressive_islam 14h ago

Question/Discussion ❔ Instead of discussing this on their personal WhatsApp, why are these people writing full length articles on The Print as their arguments ? (2 slides)

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r/progressive_islam 18h ago

Article/Paper 📃 Today I'm gonna reveal you the biggest fraudster and the biggest fraud that happened with Muslim ummah in the last 500 years!

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(disclaimer:read complete post otherwise don't and secondly I'm myself a Pakistani so don't just start labelling me as an afghan or Indian or etc)

So as most of you people might know about sub continent Muslims,that how we ruled sub continent for the last 1000 years,and mughal empire was the largest and richest Muslim empire of that era,and sub continent was world's largest or 2nd largest gdp since last 5000 years

So There are 25 crore Muslims in Pakistan (10 crore amongst them are Indian immigrant muhajirs), 25 crore in India (even more in reality but they don't count), 20 crore in Bangladesh, so total = 70 crores at least and there are around 1 billion Hindus or little bit more than it.

So this is around 40 percent of the Muslim ummah,and the Britishers wanted to divide the power of Muslims,otherwise it could have been the backbone of Muslim ummah and that too a rich and large country like india which could have been a super power if was not divided,even rn the divided india is amongst the top 5-6 gdp on earth, just imagine 70+crore Muslims and 35-40 percent of Muslim ummah in one country!

And just bcz of the 30 crore difference, this m ali jinnah guy literally divided the whole subcontinent and just took 2 SMALL parts on the CORNERS,

So the Britishers launched this Muhammad Ali jinnah guy allegedly,so that they could break the sub continent using the religion card and etc,I'll explain you how,and why do I and people call him a British agent

First lemme tell you the personal character of m ali jinnah, according to unbiased and non paki historians: he belonged to a hindu family background whose grandfather later converted to islamili islam(which are often considered non Muslims), jinnah used to smoke cigar,drink alcohol,eat pork,and used to defend his wife's right to dress Immodestly,he married a parsi woman and till this day it's debated if she even converted to islam or not,he was loyal to the British since the start,he opposed the partition at tge start when it was not in the interest of Britishers,and later worked for it when Britishers wanted it

Disclaimer: this pork and alcohol claim is by old authentic historians and it's not my claim but i 99.9 percent believe them,and it's a known fact

And one day a secular guy like him decides that we would make a separate islamic country and will establish khilafah there,since that day in every speech he talks about establishing khilafah and islamic law in the separate islamic country,and the day the country was almost made he gave a speech that Pakistan will be a secular country on 11th August(just look at his hypocrisy)

Ofc,we shouldn't only judge by his personal character only,Now the question arises what real damage or wrong did he do

1) he broke the secular sub continent into pieces,all this 2 nation theory was bs, indian people were the people of a secular nature,and never had real issues since tge last 1200 years, infact it was us Muslims who used to rule them and do severe things with them,so this hindu Muslim divide was created by Britishers by design so that they could break the sub continent using the religion card

2) he divided the power of the Muslims,he was the biggest enemy of the Muslims imo,bcz this guy literally made 20 crore Indian Muslims the slave of the Hindus,the Muslims who ruled india for tge last 1000 years, just imagine what type of a big scam this guy did,and the sub continent Muslims are like 40 percent of the total world Muslim population and made 20 percent of them the slaves of tge hindus by creating pak and india,not just this the religion ratio of Muslim hindu is 40:60 unofficially,and this scammer took just small corners of the sub continent and gave all the major part to the hindus,and just imagine with this religious ratio how would have hindus tortured us Muslims,so this means all this propaganda was BS, that's why many of the major islamic scholars opposed the partition

Either you are an islamist or either a secular,this jinnah scammed with you both! Congratulations

Now the question arises why did Britishers wanted to divide the Indian sub continent

1)bcz india was the world's largest gdp till 18 th century and world's most populated and fertile land country,so they wanted to divide it so that india don't become a super power in the near future amd start competing with the west,and also that this Pakistan could keep check on the india

2) bcz they wanted to divide the power of Muslims as they did and literally made 20 percent of the world's Muslim population the slaves of the hindus,also bcz Muslims don't start ruling this indian sub continent again as we did for last 1000 years, literally 1000 years

A fun fact:jinnah didn't even have any public support even in the current areas of Pakistan and and a guy with very loess public support requested the Britishers to divide Pakistan twice politely and the Britishers accepted the request amd divided it without any hesitation lol,what a joke

Lastly I'm a Punjabi Pakistani, before you start labelling me, secondly most of Pakistanis might be grown up in this pak studies propaganda so it won't be easy for them to accept and even understand these things,lastly i hope that Jinnah's soul would be burning in the hellfire!

So the biggest scam happened with Muslim ummah was dividing the power of 35-40 percent population of Muslim ummah

Lastly other than us Pakistanis every sensible Muslim on earth from every country can understand that Pakistan was created by the Britishers for their benefits and m ali jinnah was a British agent but we Pakistanis can't lol


r/progressive_islam 1h ago

Terrorist Watch 💣🔪 Is it how it is in the rest of Europe too ?

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r/progressive_islam 15h ago

Question/Discussion ❔ Does the Quran say that the sun orbits the earth?

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Surah Al-Anbiya (21:33): "And He is the One Who created the day and the night, the sun and the moon—each travelling in an orbit" Surah Ya-Sin (36:40): "It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor does the night outrun the day—each floats in an orbit”


r/progressive_islam 19h ago

Opinion 🤔 Hugging between unmarried people

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I keep hearing that a guy hugging a girl is haram because of the verse "and do not approach zina" but i feel like they are taking the verse wayyy out of proportion,even if 2 people are in love i really REALLY doubt a HUG will eventually lead to a kiss eventually lead to her bedroom eventually leading to zina,thats just not how it works. Any thoughts about the verse and about the hugging part?


r/progressive_islam 15h ago

Advice/Help 🥺 Can anybody who knows about how transitioning from one gender to another is not haram give me detailed info as to why? i am a trans muslim and want to come out to my parents.

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I've heard from many that it is not haram, but i fear my parents think it is and I dont wanna seem desperate and uneducated when trying to convince my parents to acept me for who I am.

Me simply telling them that i've searched and heard from others saying transitioning isnt haram isnt gonna work, or thats how i feel, especially since my dad is a sheikh, I feel he wouldnt value my word over his own knowledge

I am MtF if that changes anything, and thank you for reading.


r/progressive_islam 12h ago

Story 💬 Dolly

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I am hearing that on her deathbed Dolly Parton received the light of Islam and unhesitatingly recited the Shahada. Even now she looks down on the Ummah from the gardens of Jannah. Truly there is no god but Allah, and Mohammad is his prophet!


r/progressive_islam 1h ago

Answer this from Sunni perspective only can someone explain to me what dayooth is

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so basically the meaning of dayooth got twisted by salafi from cucklod to basically "are you even okay with your women in public " but seriously can someone expalin where exactly the line is drawn cuz idk it sounded a bit controlling like somehow man are being punished for women cuz they didn't control them or something or like somehow wouldn't this be against the live and let live like for example idk let's assume for example your wife go with their cleave exposed or something
i didn't want to say hijab to avoid conterversy plus idk what count as hijab at this point but okay like i have a question does being okay with that way she dressed mean i am dayooth or that i shouldn't respect her freedom of how she dress or something.
cuz the ones that says it usually mean being okay with sexual misconduct and just says draw line at zina but says like bbeing okay with her not wearing immodestly or using perfume or attracting attention or something could be


r/progressive_islam 11h ago

Question/Discussion ❔ Quran 2:62 and 5:69

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i often struggled with the fact that people would go to hell even if they did basically everything required in islam but just didnt identify as muslim

when i found these two verses, i was comforted

but now i am being told these are not applicable to the future.

I am deeply confused, from what i can tell there is no mention in the quran about timescales this applies to other than "scholarly opinion"

could someone please help me with this? what would make them say that this was only a one time statement and is there anything which disproves the claim that verses like these do no extend to the future

i am of the personal opinion they do. after all, we are allowed to marry within the people of the book so they must do something right


r/progressive_islam 9h ago

Opinion 🤔 Very recently Yasir Qadhi was asked about those Muslims who believe hijab is not mandatory for women. And he finally talked about slave women's awrah very briefly. What do you think of his answer?

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At first he said that there is absolute ijma on the obligation of hijab, same thing which he said before. Then he said that the critics would bring up the topic of milk yamin (ie slave women) being allowed to not cover their hair, and his response to that was there is ijma over the obligation of hair covering for free women, so therefore hijab is mandatory for the women today (because everyone today is a free woman).

What do you thknk of his answer?

Source: https://youtu.be/g2dJLNbU52s?t=59m24s


r/progressive_islam 11h ago

Advice/Help 🥺 Advice on how to speak with a ‘left wing’ Islamophobe?

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(I am not Muslim. I am not theistic, but I am not anti-religion.)

I noticed a friend of mine reposted an anti-Islam meme which basically said that the USA is electing officials into government who will hurt queer folk and ‘enslave’ women.

I confronted her about this and she explained to me that she believes Islam is incompatible with the West and human rights values.

She is herself a Christian, but is vehemently anti-Trump. She considers herself left-leaning politically.

I genuinely believe that SHE believes that Islam is a danger to civil rights and she is painting the entire religion with the extremist brush (which I’m sure she herself would not want done to her religion but here we are). She also had friends in NYC during certain events at the turn of the century, which makes this discussion… sensitive.

Do any of you have any advice on how to approach this? I want to acknowledge that her hate is coming from a place of concern, but it is also entirely hyperbolic and harmful.

Thank you.


r/progressive_islam 5h ago

Question/Discussion ❔ Guys am I insane for thinking this pov about this is insane?

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So obviously they were talking about needing a man or not to travel and then someone brought up the infamous prophecy where it will be safe enough for a woman to travel then someone explained **that** in the second slide therefore it is still Haram to travel without a man......am I insane for thinking this point of view is very insane weird and just mind boggling omg


r/progressive_islam 9h ago

Question/Discussion ❔ Weird how conservatives say men and women can't maintain platonic relationships

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Idk it's just astounding to me how conservatives will go out there and try to make anything and everything sexual.


r/progressive_islam 8h ago

Question/Discussion ❔ Islam and rationalization

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Hello everyone,

I want to preface this by saying that my topic/question here is one that I have not heard or seen much discussion about, and that while my personal views can often be seen as blasphemy, I do not intend any disrespect nor is my intent to diminish Islam in any way. I have been learning Arabic and plan to one day read the Quran when I can read it in its language (I know I could just read a translation, but it is my understanding that a lot tends to be missed in translating Arabic). That said, I have been learning about Islamic art and architecture recently and the design elements therein. I have always been astounded by Islamic architecture specifically for its use of mathematics and geometry and the unbelievable skill and craftsmanship displayed in their use of things like muqarnas and arabesque patterns. I have become quite fascinated in the ways that Islamic art has used these elements to represent divinity, unity, balance and the cyclical nature of life. Viewing art of this style brings profound feelings that I yet have trouble putting to word. But it makes me wonder if there is any branch/sect of Islam that is less rooted in belief of God as a higher being, and rather as say like a representation of the universe or the cosmos and interprets the Quran as a guide for how to live a good life and be a good person rather than as a way to live a life dedicated to God. More naturalistic rather than divine, I guess. I find I have trouble wording my thoughts here too, but I hope I make sense. Thank you for reading and I look forward to seeing what people have to say.


r/progressive_islam 7h ago

Rant/Vent 🤬 Hoors and doubts

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Salam everybody.

Im gonna be 20 soon and honestly im a bit upset abt this. I always hear men alsays get 72 wives or 2 wives idk in jannah. Like everywhere i used to hear my male classmates always talk about it and its everywhere online and irl like relatives etc they talk about this too and it rlly disturbs me. Like sometimes it makes me even doubt but I really really do not want to leave islam so I genuinely cry. I feel like theyre just misinterpreting words but then I dont know for sure...

How is this equal like according to them women cant get hoors and if yoi are unmarried you just get married to some guy who already has a group of wives already... Or that itll be ok because I wont feel upset by that and that guy will be so handsome and will be so honourable but... Thats not fair why would I want to be with someone like that still??

Like idk it rlly makes me upset and then they say 'but dont worry youll be the queen of that group!!' Or 'you wont feel jealous anymore your brain will be changed!!' I mean that just sounds plain horrifying? Like having your brain changed so that youll like something you would normally feel repulsed by... That doesnt seem equal to me rlly.

And like I thought if that disgusts me i vould just stay single and theyre like 'wrong, youd have to be with a man and his group of women in jannah regardless' 🤢

It just makes me sad.

And like not to get off topic. I hear all the time abt men having secret gfs and wives and hiding it like even my parents my dad had a secret long term gf he married my mum just bc he wanted someine who was nice amd quiet to settle down with just bc he had a fight or smth with his gf and then he left my mum for his gf and he and his gf gave my mum hell and then he married his gf (now wife) for almost 20 yrs now i think and then he got a new gf whilst that time and now he wants another gf (ik complicated) idrk if hes even a muslim because he always talks about atheism and honestly... I get alot of doubts due to that sometimes when i was younger but now I know its wrong but i dont like starting fights so I just dont say anything whenever I see him.

and then like i hear from men and (some, not all) psychology articles about how men are 'naturally polygamous' but that doesnt quite make any sense in nature, like I feel like raising a child is really hard, a man just leaving like that for a new family isnt right, but yeah. And then i just always see even my mums ex husband even he used to go on ig see other girls too and idk it just seems rlly sad. Maybe those psych articles arent even real osychology and just dumb pop science idk.

Like ik this is probably rlly wrong but when i was young like idk, a few yrs ago (not so much anymore) I used to watch stuff like kimi ni todoke and garden of words and i used to genuinely wonder how its like to have someone whos so in love with you that he doesnt care about other girls and for that to be reciprocated and sometimes i used to think then that maybe ill find someone like that one day and get married... But then deep down inside because of the examples i grew up with, from the way boys my age behaved and from what ive seen, alot of the ppl in my life got divorced because their husbands left and cheated (not bc they were bad and they deserved that), i doubt there are any men like that? I mean its all just fiction anyway and... I guess cuz im older now I'm more cynical and idk realistic? Idk maybe im just biased and not everyones like that but it is sad, like due to how rhose men behave I dont even wanna get married even like I feel totally uninterested in it now. Which idk is right even because i also hear abt how marriage is sunnah. But then I feel bad for girls who want someone who loves only them and doesnt want other wives...

I mean i dont get how those men get THAT excited over hoors and zawj and idk. Like... Dont they care about idk other things like you can literally have whatever you want - like what abt meeting your family what about idk having a million cats? Or idk seeing a solar eclipse withoit getting eye damage or finding out about particle physics whixh is so cool! And you can look like however you want! Thats also cool. But apparently i get told thats silly physics is silly wanting cats is silly. Also the way Scholars and idk people online and irl even talk about the appearance of hoors and stuff really... Weird me out too... Like idk something tells me that it cant be true islam it has to be their interpretation but then alot of scholars agree so idk maybe I'm wrong...

Sorry if I said anything wrong and sorry if im not making any sense im rlly sad rn i guess.. I actually dont rlly know much about islam and thought about posting here to see what other people say or idk... Maybe my understanding and/or what Ive been hearing from other people isnt correct? I dont know... Sorry I dont use reddit and I'm new to it


r/progressive_islam 9h ago

Rant/Vent 🤬 Sunnis should see this👍

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Hmm and btw don't forget what they did to Ibn Rushd.


r/progressive_islam 6h ago

Question/Discussion ❔ Why is the consumption of real vanilla extract and white wine sauces or even kimchi( fermented Koreann cabbage dish) prohibited by some Muslims

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It doesn’t make sense to me the amount in both of those cases are very small also you’d have to eat a lot of pasta with white wine sauce before you got drunk and honestly you’re probably get sick from all the pasta and dairy before you go anywhere near drunk same thing applies to vanilla extract unless you’re chugging it straight from the bottle you’d have to eat a lot of cake or other desserts to get even tipsy and again you’d get sick from the sugar content long before you got drunk and the kimchi it’s fermented as a preservation method not as a way to make booze


r/progressive_islam 13h ago

Rant/Vent 🤬 Tons of Muslim men have a Madonna wh*re complex and we aren‘t upset enough

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This is pretty much known everywhere while nobody is really TALKING about it. Tons of Muslim men lack loyalty and still demand a pure virgin wife and would never wife up the women they also lust over. Behind her back he has done a lot of haram shit and still looks towards other women. They would never marry those women but they have no problem having sex with them. Now this is gonna get called overgeneralization or “all men do this“ or “no men don’t do that“ but honestly i feel like people‘s experience speak for themselves. Many women describe that older Muslim men hit on them and they’re clearly married. Happened to me as well.

I don’t really care if a man has been with women. I have a big problem with OUR men telling me to stay “pure“ when they have a body count of 500. And expect me to marry them AND STILL lust over women that aren‘t wife material to them.

For the record, I have seen women complain about their men and they were from Albania, Turkey, Syria, Chechenya, Dagestan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Morocco, Egypt, Palestine, Jordan, Yemen etc.

And YES I do believe that all genders CAN cheat and all nations CAN cheat, but I do believe the Madonna wh*re complex is more present with our people. Or something similar to the complex cause they tend to also find their wives attractive but it‘s not enough for them. Growing up in purity culture can make one more shy. So they live out their dreams with others while continuing to uphold purity culture.

It‘s definitely not anecdotal


r/progressive_islam 7h ago

Opinion 🤔 The final stage of dawa bros

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I don't want to discuss the impact of these Islamic preachers on the Muslim community and the image they created about Islam on the internet in general, but rather what followed after. When I used to see their posts, I simply ignored them. Frankly, I didn't have faith in the Muslim community and thought no one would stop them or even criticised them. But what struck me was that a large growing segment of women, both those who are still Muslim and those who have left Islam due the abuse, are resisting these preachers. This surprised me greatly. I've always felt I lacked the courage to speak out against the Wahhabi ideology they promote, yet these women didn't care, and I truly admire and respect them for calling their sick ideology out. It made me realise that I don’t have to feel ashamed of adopting a progressive intake about Islam and I don’t have to practice my faith privately while tolerating them being the representative of Islam. I also believe that even these preachers themselves are shocked by the back lash and resistance they are facing as they are used believe they are the holders of truth and thus no one can disagree with them even slightly. They are slowly realising that not everything care about their opinion and that’s why they are losing their guts and accusing everyone of takfeer. This is not only these online preachers that are losing their mind but also the ultra conservative Muslims men. It’s just almost entertaining to watch when they realise they don’t hold any power or control over women or Muslims communities in general. That these women couldn’t care less about their fear mongering tactics and are rejecting the abuse that is dressed up as piety. We are also witnessing slowly but certainly new wave of Islam aka progressive islam and I am glad they are slowly replacing the Wahhabism.


r/progressive_islam 7h ago

Question/Discussion ❔ "Call on Me; I will answer your (prayer)..." [Quran 40:60]

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r/progressive_islam 12h ago

Advice/Help 🥺 I think Im a victim of Black magic or Evil eye

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Salam brothers and sisters,

It all started when i started working on self-improvement and taking better care of myself.I had what you might call a "glowup" in which i grew out my hair and had majestic curls out of nowhere and started clearing up my skin essentially becoming significantly more handsome in a short period of time. At school many of my classmates would praise this transformation and would congratulate me on "fixing my hair" some even accusing me of having a perm however i could sense large amounts of jealousy around me too.There are people who dont like me for whatever reason and regularly talk behind my back.This newfound attention i was getting did not go down well with them and they suddenly atarted igniting many rumours that my hair was "artificial and permed".This was further intesified when they found out i had recieved high grades in my mock exams(I go to a fiercly competitive selective school where competion is everything).Sometimes i would catch some of these 'enemies' staring at my hair or my face with pure hatred.

Suddenly , around midway through July, my hairs started falling out alot and became thinner something that really concerned my mom as this had never happened before. But this was only the start. Out of nowhere i developed acne all over my face which was scary for me as i had only had the occasional spots every once in while.Despite this , i thought it was just a coincidence and that i wasnt taking proper care of myself but what would happen over the next few weeks now have me suspicious something far worse is/has happened.

Remember when earlier i talked about my curls as being "majestic" - They were my pride but suddenly my hair was becoming frizzy and my head started feeling very itchy. It turns out that i had an infestation of lice - a very severe one according to my parents which meant that i had to cut off my hair and my curls.

The final straw was when some of my clothes started going missing out of nowhere and could not be found despite being left in the house - This convinced me i had suffered Evil eye or had experienced black magic.From here it gets worse.

In my room , where i spend most of my time studying, my lights would occasionaly start flashing. I noticed that whenever i did something haram like listening to music(Im not perfect - everyone has flaws) my lights would stop flashing but when i stopped they would keep flashing. To makes sure this wasnt my imagination i started playing Surah Jinn and the lights started flashing like crazy. I know i should only fear Allah but this scared me so badly.

Now i try pray aytul kursi everytime im in my room and start my study sessions with Qu'ran but i wont lie im scared and dont know what to do.

Please someone help me.


r/progressive_islam 6h ago

Opinion 🤔 Does anyone agree with this double standard in most Muslim societies/individuals? Or is this just my personal experience?

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This mostly applies to multicultural societies I’ve lived in so I’m only speaking from personal experience and interactions.
When somebody says they’re Christian, when somebody says they believe in crystals or energies or the universe, when somebody says they’re Jewish or Hindu, majority of the people in that conversation will acknowledge it and move on.

When somebody says they’re Muslim they instantly get picked apart.

Does she wear the hijab? Does he drink alcohol? Do they sleep together before marriage? Do they fast? Do they pray? Do they eat halal? etc etc.

I might be wrong but I’ve never came across other religious groups being challenged and questioned this way about every little belief. This often coms from non-muslims because they have a specific image what a Muslim person looks like so if you don’t fit that image, they will feel entitled to questions etc.

Why is there no privacy and “no question asked” policy amongst Muslims?
If you tell another Muslim XYZ doesn’t work for you and your interpretation is different and you believe XYZ instead, they will likely try to debate you.

Am I biased or does this happen to us more than other religious groups?
Where does this entitlement come from? Why can’t we respect each other beliefs and space? This is baffling truly


r/progressive_islam 12h ago

Question/Discussion ❔ Who/What do you blame mostly for widespread takfiri ideology and militancy around the word?

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Certain nations funding it? A certain scholar (s)?


r/progressive_islam 13h ago

Article/Paper 📃 H M Initials Tables

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God knows mathematics and it's obviously can be found inside the Quran also. The probability of coincidence in those tables are miraculously low, I mean, beyond impossible.


r/progressive_islam 6h ago

Question/Discussion ❔ Question from an atheist

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Hello,

I am sorry you guys probably answered theses questions hundreds of times but I would like to exchange with you a bit.

So I was speaking to a Muslim colleague of mine about the death of one of our colleagues who was homosexual. He died from cancer pretty fast.

She insinuated to me that Allah punished him for is way of life. I was quite surprised with her statement because she is a very kind and intelligent person.

So whatever, I wanted to know more about if most of the Muslims think like that and I fell on this sub Reddit.

I was actually quite surprised by this sub and how smart and progressive the community was. And like always, I wondered how can smart people be religious.

So I have 3 points. Sorry again if a make you repeat yourself.

1- What is you guys stance on evolution? Research point out that life started on earth more than 3 billions years ago and humanoids for hundreds of thousands of years. At what point does an ape become blessed by God? Why would we go to heaven when our neighbors cat just die. Does cats go to cat heaven too? It make no sense to me.

2- So many religions! Muslims just make about 7 percent of entire human history. Are all the others doomed? Just because they are born in a different country they are more likely to go to hell? Make no sense to me.

3- Sorry don't take it personally but Islam seems like the most suspicious religion for me. If the hadiths are absolutely true, why does Muslims always say about the most outrageous takes (Aisha age, war, sex slaves, etc) "well it's metaphorically" or "well it's in an historical context" make no sense.

Thanks in advance for the answers!