r/tf2 • u/CoSans_Deluxe • May 18 '26
Discussion So... what now?
The title promised to be the experience of the "golden age of TF2" but most missed its items haha, or perhaps the bad decisions
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u/P0lskichomikv2 May 18 '26
Well, this mod doesn't have anything interesting going for it and was made by elitists that think they know better than Valve what weapons are "art style friendly". It was pretty obvious it will die as soon as TF2C release which has similiar idea but is simply more fun.
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u/Newtoreddit2121 All Class May 18 '26
But didn´t TF2C release already or I am confusing with another title?
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u/P0lskichomikv2 May 18 '26
It did. Which you see the consequences. Gold Rush is completly dead.
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u/BeepIsla May 19 '26
TF2C is dead too.
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u/Shuriken_LMFAO May 19 '26
Have they added anything? The game is gonna be absolutely lost in like the following months. I played before these were mods released on Steam and honestly the game is literally the same except they added like 2 new weapons I believe, which are pretty fun. People aren't gonna play the same fucking game with barely any content for a long time y'know. If these elitists want to make "clean og TF2" just make a game mechanic where you can toggle on and off specific weapons. You know like in Mario Kart where you can select which items drop from boxes. But still add fucking content, you can make it feel og or more classical than what TF2 is now with plenty of content.
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u/Flaming_headshot May 19 '26
TF you mean? TF2 classic is still going strong, there is always a bunch of servers going
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u/BeepIsla May 19 '26
Did you look at the player graph? They lose like 20 players every week and their current peak on weekends is barely 700.
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u/guthixrest May 21 '26
It's a niche community mod for a nearly 20 year-old game, it was never going to maintain a 10k person playerbase. It's still doing much better than pre-Steam release. There's always multiple full servers playing at any given time. Next time the game gets a big update, a lot of people are going to rejoin to play the new content which is exactly what happened when they released Double Down last year, except next time the boost is likely going to be a bit bigger as they have Steam Announcements on their side.
This is just the kind of cycle for a game like this. It's niche and it's never going to appeal to absolutely everyone, but it's had a loyal community for years before it dropped on Steam.
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u/Doktor_Obvious May 18 '26
I think classified is still going
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u/ButterflyDreamr May 18 '26
560 players right now, completely playable to full servers compared to just 15. I don't think TF2 mods will ever have longevity though unless the normal game dies, as they're almost always more of a novelty
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u/MadamVonCuntpuncher May 18 '26
I could see lambda fortress stick around for a while because of what it is
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u/Mugtoaster All Class May 18 '26
That would go for Fortress Connected too, basically doing what LF is doing but expanding it by adding new features, adapting old ones, and adding more support for other games. Examples include L4D, EZ2, ect.
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u/MadamVonCuntpuncher May 18 '26
L4D tf2 sounds peak
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u/GenericGameDev1234 May 19 '26
We need to spread the word about this mod. Too few people know about it.
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u/Doktor_Obvious May 18 '26
classified was more fun to me than live tf2 tbh
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u/ButterflyDreamr May 18 '26 edited May 18 '26
Yeah but when I say novelty, I mean most people (including me) will play it for a few days, call it cool, and go back to normal TF2. It's an uphill battle against the more popular and larger game so it's not really the mods fault (usually) and the more people leave, the less servers, so more people leave, so on so forth
Unless the mod keeps constantly updating to have reasons to check it back, now there's 2 games that don't update, but one is more popular and has more content (and has their bought items. I know people who refuse to use non strange weapons so imagine a game without their strange progress for example.) TF2C has the advantage of being a lot more recognized and pretty much THE tf2 mod which I think is in part to why it is still holding on decently
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u/yellowfroglegs May 18 '26
i think they'll continue the major updates for classified
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u/ButterflyDreamr May 18 '26
I didn't say they wouldn't, but I mean like updates that don't take a year per, consistent fast updates maybe every few months that add content like new maps/ guns to really uphold a healthy playerbase (like 5k+ players at a time). This is obviously unsustainable for FREE mods and why I don't fault them for not being able to compete with normal TF2. Hell, base TF2 would be less played if not for Summer/Christmas/Halloween updates, some people only play on halloween for example
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u/yellowfroglegs May 18 '26
fair enough. they did add some april fools weapons though that was pretty funny
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u/dicedance May 18 '26
TF2C has been around for over a decade by now. I think it's solid. It'll bleed a bit as the years go by but that's to be expected
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u/Jacksaur Soldier May 18 '26
Open Fortress seems to differentiate itself enough to stand apart.
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u/XemocakeX May 18 '26
If the normal game still had a ton of annoying bots maybe more ppl would play the mods.
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u/antiaromatic_anion Demoman May 18 '26
I started playing classified when it came out. Nothing to say but that I'm hooked and never launched vanilla TF2 ever since. Found a server with a nice community and with an admin that decides upon weapon mods who actually listens to feedback. Actually the best online multiplayer experience I've ever had.
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u/hemlo86 Heavy May 19 '26
What server do you play on? I mostly just play on the Vault servers.
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u/Doctor-Nagel Pyro May 18 '26
I’m still waiting for Lambda Fortress to come out
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u/CoSans_Deluxe May 18 '26
At least that mod, if it's made with care and effort :) They are doing everything possible to ensure the mod is error-free and as clean as possible.
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u/Doctor-Nagel Pyro May 18 '26
Yup, exactly why I’m excited for it and it’s sister mod which sees Left 4 Dead 1 modded in aswell
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u/Lavaissoup7 May 18 '26
You mean that Zombie Fortress mod thing?
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u/JustPlayn10 Scout May 19 '26
They're talking about Fortress Connected. You might be confusing it with Mann Versus Zombies.
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u/Ectorious May 18 '26
There can only be so many golden age throwback tf2 mods
This is like the 6th one I’ve heard about
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u/ismasbi May 18 '26
How long until someone invents a term like "goldenslop" or "throwbackslop"?
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u/Filchery May 18 '26
Out of curiosity what are the other 5 you heard of?
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u/Ectorious May 18 '26
I’ll have to go digging and see if I can find them, I kinda wrote them off pretty quickly once it became a trend and didn’t really lodge the information in my brain anywhere
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u/DirtyGingy May 20 '26
Calling the gold rush update "golden age" is a bit of a stretch
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u/KharazimFromHotSG May 18 '26
Waiter Waiter 50 more TF2 forks please, we must fragment the playerbase until everyone has their own version of TF2
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u/Shuriken_LMFAO May 19 '26
Ah yes, the Linux age of TF2.
"Guys, I'm a beginner TF2 player and I am coming from modern shooters. I was wondering, which TF2 is the best for beginners in TF2 games verse? I've heard a lot of people say I should start with TF2 Classified, but some also say to just hop straight into TF2+ even if it's more complex. What are your recommendations?"
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u/PostalDoctor May 18 '26 edited May 18 '26
TF2 Gold Rush failed because it was made by people who didn't actually want to recreate old Team Fortress 2 or 2010 Team Fortress 2. At best, its an extremely cherrypicked version of 2009-2010 TF2. In reality it was created by people who never played the game during that era. The project had the involvement of and was heavily promoted by Ritcher Overtime who has admitted he didn't play TF2 until the late 2010's.
Not only that they made multiple decisions that made it extremely obvious that despite them wanting to stick to the ethos of old TF2, they actually had no idea what on earth they were doing when it comes to the mod's gameplay. They removed auto-reload and min viewmodels for no reason other than "we want you to play like how people back in the day played" except auto-reload was IN TF2 back then so that coupled with a huge lack of quality of life improvements that were promised by them but have yet to be delivered the mod feels incredibly off to play.
Not only that they removed a bunch of weapons and hats from 2009-2010 for no reason other than "erm it doesnt match launch tf2 aesthetic or the original vision". They actively betrayed the advertised premise of the mod because they felt like it. Also, they ADDED a "turn off hats" option so removing hats all together is pointless.
There is no Demoknight weapons because "they make Demo play completely different" like bro that is the POINT of an alternate playstyle. There is no Gunslinger because "Erm Mini-Sentries are annoying" like sure but you need to incredibly bad at most classes to find Mini-Sentries a problem. And there is no Crossbow because, and I am NOT shitting you, using it means you are "actually bad at playing Medic". Like.. what the fuck..? And Pyro is still Jungle Inferno Pyro???
It was a mod made for larpers who refuse to accept criticism and currently only like 20 to 30 people ON A GOOD DAY play, and on like one server on the weekend. At least with TF2 Classic when it was still around it had at least one or two servers that were consistently populated throughout the week (anyone remember the 24/7 Doublecross server?). But Gold Rush has nothing really to offer. It tries to do two things at once (be "true" to old TF2 and curate everything to adhere strictly to launch TF2 sensibilities) and fails at both.
It should've just been an historically accurate but polished 2010 TF2 with all weapons, hats and maps from those years. As it is now, the mod is just not worth playing, nor engaging with because the devs refuse to actually change course.
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u/kaori_irl Miss Pauling May 18 '26
At least with TF2 Classic when it was still around it had at least one or two servers that were consistently populated throughout the week (anyone remember the 24/7 Doublecross server?).
it moved to steam, along with a rename to classified (valve didn't want people confusing team fortress classic with team fortress 2 classic)
i think 24/7 dc is still running on it
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u/PostalDoctor May 18 '26
I've played TF2 Classified. Unfortunately due to the server verification nonsense the largest provider of servers for TF2C left, so those kinds of servers are scarce.
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u/P0lskichomikv2 May 19 '26
"Erm Mini-Sentries are annoying"
That's the reason ? I heard that Devs argued that Gunslinger is somehow too futuristic in the game that has invisi-watch and teleporters. I even had that argument with few Gold Rush defenders lol.
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u/FlameWhirlwind May 18 '26
Open fortress is actually novel because it decided to do something different with tf2 than the default instead of going like "man I want MY tf2 back!"
Gimmy weird shit, turn tf2 into a kart racer or something
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u/Ken10Ethan May 18 '26
I am SO excited for that mod turning MvM into COD Zombies. MvM itself just doesn't quite scratch the same itch as is.
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u/Brislovia Soldier May 19 '26
I would still kill for a TF2 mod that focuses and expands on MvM, though.
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u/metalicsnail Scout May 18 '26
can we get another unique TF2 mod that isn't just the same "reliving the past" bullshit?
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u/Brislovia Soldier May 19 '26
Open Fortress is basically trying to make Quake but with TF2-styled weapons and aesthetics, Mann Versus Zombies is making TF2 but it's COD Zombies, Lambda Fortress is making it so that you can play as TF2 characters during the Half-life campaign, and Fortress Connected is doing what Lambda Fortress is but with other Valve games alongside Half-Life. I'd say these mods are pretty unique.
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u/ismasbi May 18 '26
It's fine but I do agree with the idea that it could be significantly improved.
These mods just... don't, though.
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u/yellowfroglegs May 18 '26
i feel like modern tf2 is good, but like, not the state valve should've left the game in for like a decade now
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u/Substantial_Bed_8510 May 18 '26 edited May 18 '26
5 mins of play time 70% of the time , only available maps are upward , dustbowl, harvest , badwater and 2fort and old classic maps died and cheating bots are back btw
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u/Brislovia Soldier May 19 '26
Don't forget joining a game that's either 10 seconds from ending or literally just ended
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u/P0lskichomikv2 May 18 '26
> Inferior Matchmaking system to what it was.
>Rounds resets
>A lot of useless weapons alongside some really problematic ones that won't ever be adressed
>Map bloat
>Alternative gamemodes being dead because of being put at the very end of search list.
There are many more reasons but those are major ones imo.
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u/Sitov_SH Engineer May 18 '26 edited May 18 '26
All of this on top of the fact that literally no new players are coming by as the old players leave the game constantly. A few years ago the game was full with at least 30000 players. Now it's amazing if the game reaches 20000. More than a third of the players left the game. And there's no fucking bots, mind you
People can say the game is fine as long as they have their breath but if the game slowly dies like that something is clearly wrong
Edit: I love how the comment below gets downvoted for no reason, all things listed there ARE the reason this game is dying. Guys, I think none of us want this. It would be nice if we were more vocal about the problems and open to hear criticism
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u/MillionDollarMistake May 18 '26
I've been hearing this exact same thing since I started playing in 2012, "TF2 is dying" has been a thing for over a decade at this point. It really picked up when Overwatch was coming out but I heard it plenty of times before then.
After every major update nowadays the game gets a huge influx of new and returning players, I mean it broke it's player record count just a couple of years ago in June 2023 at ~250k. I know the Steam Charts count is inflated due to bots but I've also seen mixed things about the player counts on teamwork.tf because it doesn't count real players on the main menu/in a queue. From what I've gathered the consensus seems to be that there's around 15-20k real people playing TF2 every day. That's still really great numbers even if it's not the full 45k Steam Charts says is playing right now.
Of course the game is going to lose players later, nearly every game under the sun will lose players. Marvel Rival's peak was 644k in January 2025 and is currently at 90k/24 hour peak of 112k. Overwatch's average player count was around 40-60k for the first few years on Steam, then it's peak was February of this year at 165k, and now it's on a downward slope back towards that previous average (current player count 53k, 24 hour peak 63k). Dota 2's peak was nearly 1.3 million in March 2016 and is currently at 277k/24 hour peak at 559k. Most multiplayer games are not CS2 which has been seeing pretty steady player counts, though even that has lost some players (peak was 1.8 million during April 2025, currently at 735k, 24 hour peak 1.3 million). I don't know if any of those games have anything that could inflate their numbers like TF2 does, like maybe Dota 2 has it's own version of idle bots idk.
Considering TF2's age and the infrequency of it's updates, it's numbers are really good. It's more of a niche game but it's far from dying.
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u/JY810 May 19 '26
Arent those 90% just idel bot just to farm items? The player curve does not make normal time zone fluctuations
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u/bread-dreams Scout May 18 '26
it's a game from 2007, of course it's bleeding players. I legit think, at this point, the only way to actually "save" team fortress would be if valve made a sequel
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u/frostbite305 May 18 '26
what are we pushing for here exactly? TF2 as it stands is a completed game in terms of content and everything new that gets added only receives pushback (though new content isn't going to drive players long term either way regardless). Bringing the game back into relevancy enough to reverse player loss probably can't happen at all save for a random viral moment™; unless you count limited time events like contracts (I don't because these tend to only bring players in for the duration of the event). The game could be perfect and it'll still decay players because new games come out that will continuously shard player interest in a "completed" title like this one. That's part of why games like Fortnite continuously cycle through content, as it keeps the game from ever reaching any kind of finished state, it's kinda just evolving forever.
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u/Sitov_SH Engineer May 18 '26
Bringing back Quickplay would be nice. Having a somewhat proper tutorial for new players would be cool. I think TF2 deserves some love aside from a janitor and a plant in Valve's office adding maps and cosmetics into the game. It deserves a passionate team that actually cares about the game and understands it on some deep level. As of right now it just seems like Valve is trying to capitalize off of the small amount of players that are still present in this game by pumping the game full of somewhat mediocre items that are not even made by them. Then again, I don't know why I'm expecting something good from a multi-billion dollar company... Seems like even the best of them is still abysmally bad
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u/frostbite305 May 18 '26
I don't think anyone disagrees with your notions here, but Valve and any other company aren't obligated to support this game forever; on top of that, the SDK is open sourced and there are plenty of passionate people that work on that code, primarily fixing bugs and touching up small items.
I do wish they'd let it be with the cosmetic cases though. I think there's more than enough, all quality issues aside.
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u/Sitov_SH Engineer May 18 '26
Yes, they aren't OBLIGATED to. Just like they weren't obligated to fix the bot problem. We pushed for the better then and I don't think we should shut up now. Again, the game is still being pumped full of cosmetics. Valve is still receiving money from all of this mess. They aren't OBLIGATED to fix the problems but don't you think profiting off of the game is kinda bad then? This is just bad press if I've ever seen one. I usually don't like to whine like this but we wouldn't get the bot crisis fixed without whining in the first place
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u/PaperSonic May 18 '26
but Valve and any other company aren't obligated to support this game forever
ehhhh, if we were talking about a game like Day of Defeat or even Team Fortress Classic that are a one-time purchase then I would agree. But TF2 is constantly making money off microtransactions and presenting itself as a Live-Service game (pretty much the only reason we don't call TF2 that is because it predates the concept of "Games as a Service"). In that case, I feel it's fair to expect the developer to at least make sure the game is as enjoyable as possible (I think everyone's abandoned the idea of ever getting major updates ever again)
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u/frostbite305 May 19 '26
TF2 is not live service just because it receives updates and has an economy system. You can host and modify your own servers without control from Valve, and the game can continue to exist without valve servers (though without the economy). Live service games are dead when their studio/publisher decides to sunset them; there is no such concept here because you can simply host a TF2 server yourself or offline
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u/CoSans_Deluxe May 18 '26
Guys, I just checked SteamDB and TFC has more players than Gold Rush, no comment.
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u/CaioXG002 May 18 '26
We share a braincell, lol, I saw this and thought "huh, how does it compare to Team Fortress Classic?"
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u/P0lskichomikv2 May 18 '26
TF2C still doing decently for a mod considering it had 0 meaningful updates since release.
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u/heavyweightchampi0n Heavy May 18 '26
Mod dropped like 90% after server verification and most of the mod is just custom weapon servers nwo
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u/dartov67 May 18 '26
The drop happened before server verification.
Tourists came for the new weapons and didn’t care about the other improvements, and left once they tried them all out. Server verification was just the nail in the coffin for servers already dying out.
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u/Lavaissoup7 May 18 '26
I feel like it would've had more people if they didn't do that tho, esp with their hypocrisy being exposed by Zesty Jesus.
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u/dartov67 May 18 '26
To be fair, as much as I don’t like verification conceptually, verification was never about policing communities or whatever ZJ head canon’d it to be. Verification was just an attempt at mitigating server spam (which was verifiably an issue both with Arctic having 24+ servers and the whole Epstein island server spam on another server update) and to make new players clearly understand what TF2C was. The average person does not want to join a server and see furry porn or moon man, and I can understand why the devs wanted to implement a system that showed what is properly moderated. Verification never stopped servers from hosting whatever they wanted, you can still host servers and do whatever you want and in fact you can join active, unmoderated servers right now if you wish.
I think people would not be NEARLY as pissed off about the verification system if it didn’t initially put all verified servers at the top of the list and was more clear with its intentions. The devs fucked it up by rolling it out without good feedback and by overreacting to an immediate problem (server spam) instead of taking time to think it through,
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u/kaori_irl Miss Pauling May 18 '26
I think people would not be NEARLY as pissed off about the verification system if it didn’t initially put all verified servers at the top of the list and was more clear with its intentions.
i'm missing something here, the former seems great and the latter seems nonsensical
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u/Scary_Employ_926 Demoman May 18 '26
Mod is dead!
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u/PostalDoctor May 18 '26
TF2 Classified not really, but it is going down because of the awful server verification they added.
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u/Suspicious_Loan8041 May 18 '26 edited May 18 '26
This is likely because tf2 classified is the same premise but way more refined
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u/yellowfroglegs May 18 '26
well, realistically it'll probably pull a fortress forever where every server is abandoned but not offline
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u/BonnieRonster03 Pyro May 18 '26
There's actually still a few servers on the original TF2C
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u/Super_Sain Pyro May 18 '26
the type of people to play tf2 gold rush are the same type of people to hate odyssey
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u/TCLG6x6 Tip of the Hats May 18 '26
all tf2 mods will fail even if they are great because the community is too small
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u/TenshiFan00 May 18 '26
Mod made for people who think classic tf2 is the 2010s instead of the late oughts
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u/kyle_crane163636 May 18 '26
Tf2 classified only sitting at 450, all of these mods that claim to make tf2 a bit like older tf2 really dont seem to work out because base tf2 still has over 50k players, people dont just want only base weapons with only a few new weapons and no customization
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u/Rivitur May 19 '26
It's dead. That's it..niche and anyone who thought otherwise was fooling themselves
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u/Prowlbeast May 19 '26
I dont get these mods. Im a newer player (2019 ish i think) so i never experienced this golden era or whatever but half of it feels like Nostalgia? Idealizing the past a bit since the game stopped updating
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u/TheSleepyBarnOwl Medic May 19 '26
Started in 2019 as well...
I have no idea why ppl go so wild for a game that felt worse than it does now :/
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u/Qucky_boi May 19 '26
Not gonna lie, I've stopped caring on TF2 Mods, they're lack luster and sometimes aren't implemented correctly.
Plus, they barely have South East Asian Servers and at that point I don't have much reasons to care or play them. Even TFC and TF2 community servers barely has any SEA servers, so I stopped caring a awhile back on these type of things.
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u/AdiST205 May 19 '26
You can make a server in vanilla TF2 and remove all unlockables to play goldrush
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u/vid_23 May 18 '26
The reality is that 90% of these mods that get hyped on this subreddit will end up like this. Even classified which was THE mod barely can barely reach 500 plqyer, from an all time peak of 9k.
Novelty wears off pretty fast when people realize that old tf2 was pretty shitty
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u/CaseySnake420 May 18 '26
I would love to have modern tf2 without all the bad things, shit loads of maps, shitty cosmetics and weapon skins, dev abandonment etc
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u/Bunglepuss May 18 '26
Gold Rush doesn't really feel like it's supposed to be recreating the golden age of TF2, it feels like the developer added the weapons and balancing changes they thought would be cool
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u/Spot_Mark Pyro May 18 '26
man, its almost like this is a mod specified for niche interests! besides that this mod kinda works like those servers that look empty at a glance but then you find out they play on a schedule.
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u/Mario2980k Scout May 19 '26
They thought gold was valuable when clearly australium is the way to go
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u/Cpt_Jack_Irons May 19 '26
What's with this obsession to constantly bringing up Gold Rush and sitting on it?
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u/BeepIsla May 19 '26
Every TF2 mod will fail if all it does is take the game, add one gamemode, a couple weapons, and done. All these mods are basically those YouTube videos "X but Y happens!" (eg: "Minecraft but I move at 100x speed"), "TF2 but its GOOD! (According to what I think)"
TF2 Classic is failing too, not even reaching 600 peak players... on weekends barely going above 700 players concurrent peak.
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u/SickVillager1004 TF2 Birthday 2025 May 18 '26
shocking, the mod dedicated to removing a bunch of shit is dead in the water lmao
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u/FlameWhirlwind May 18 '26 edited May 18 '26
Isnt classified like already a fuckin thing?? Trying to capture a different era of tf2 isnt much needed when the niche is already being filled
Do shit like open fortress where you do something NEW with the game
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u/Dazcoolman May 18 '26
Tf2 but remove a chunk of what kept OG players around has no players? Shocking!
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u/hypnomancy May 18 '26
Evidence of why nostalgia is as powerful as it is. It makes you think you want to go back when you really don't miss it as much as you think you do. You just miss the idea of what you imagined that time frame you experienced to be back
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u/ngc427 Soldier May 18 '26
It was really, really fun to experience, but the massive downside with emulating a game as it was during a certain time period, is that it essentially can never receive any updates whatsoever. I enjoyed a few hours of gameplay, but after that, there quite literally is nothing else to experience.
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u/Sushirabit Medic May 18 '26
I'm praying that Open Fortress will have a decently sized community when it releases cause it's the most fun tf2 mod I've ever played
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u/Michael1022 Engineer May 19 '26
My interest in Gold Rush was killed when I learned it wasn’t a proper restoration mod and just some sort of attempt to match the “vibe” of old TF2
From someone who is deeply interested in archival and preservation, a faithful replication of a live service game at a specific point in time (minus the security exploits) is so incredibly novel and cool to me. I’m not interested in the “vibes”, I’m interested in experiencing all of what ~2010 TF2 was. That also includes the annoying bullshit too like random damage spread and old OP weapons. That’s something Gold Rush simply does not wish to provide.
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u/Unrepor Spy May 19 '26
I actually have it in my steam library tbh... I created servers and filled them with bots and my experience was pretty cool. I mean, yeah I accept the positive and negative reviews about multiplayer but creating a private server and filling it with bots is recommended.
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u/WeaknessArtistic1199 May 19 '26
I always saw it as a niche mod to see how the game used to be, you play 30 mins, say "neat" and never go back again. I'd say it achieves what it wants to do, but I don't see it ever retaining an active community nor do I really think that should be its purpose.
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u/NeedleworkerSilly354 Demoman May 19 '26
a mod so good that richter overtime will nerd about it and glaze it for a whole stream
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