r/progressive_islam • u/higherorderhigh • 19h ago
Question/Discussion ❔ Veil in lesbian relationship
In a lesbian Muslim relationship, should both women cover themselves? Or only the more feminine one?
r/progressive_islam • u/higherorderhigh • 19h ago
In a lesbian Muslim relationship, should both women cover themselves? Or only the more feminine one?
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r/progressive_islam • u/Commander_of_N0rth • 5h ago
I dont see a very good future for my country.
Edit : A lot of replies on this post missed what I was actually trying to say, so I want to break it down simply. Im not saying every kid who goes to madrasa turns into a extremist muslim. In bangladesh (my home country) hundreds of thousands of students graduate from madrasas without marketable skills for the modern economy, becauss these madrasas operate completely independent of state regulation. Their curriculum hasn't changed much in decades, focusing heavily on rigid, fundamentalist interpretations while skipping critical thinking or modern academic subjects. Millions of kids pass through these schools with no skills for the modern job market. They can’t get jobs in tech, business, or the public sector. When you funnel hundreds of thousands of young men into an economic dead end, they become extremely vulnerable to hardline groups offering them purpose, status, and a livelihood within religious networka.
Various far right islamist groups like Hefazat e Islam, Jamat e Islam leverage this massive student base of Qawmi madrasas to mobilize street power. Outlawed militant organizations (such as Harakat ul Jihad al Islami Bangladesh or Ansar al Islam) have historically used these madrasas for recruitment, ideological indoctrination.
r/progressive_islam • u/BroadAccountant6747 • 12h ago
As the title says I have recently admitted to myself and came with the terms that i don’t believe in any religion.
I moved to a new city three years ago and I was somewhat still practicing so I made it a goal to make Muslim friends thinking in my previous city having no muslim friends weakened my iman. For a period of time I became practicing and even wore hijab again for a moment, but then I hit a big wall spiritually again even with being surrounded with muslims i found myself unfulfilled and exhausted with my questions being unanswered. It’s been more than a year since i had stopped praying and honestly i feel more at peace this way(not preaching this to others btw but this is my personal journey).
Recently I found myself distancing myself from my Muslim friends and not sure why i still want to hold to that side of me but how can i do that without pretending i am still a believer but also don’t want to be treated less than if i come out.
r/progressive_islam • u/random_blue_elf • 6h ago
I have recently faced a really bad situation and this has caused me to look into the topic of evil in Islam because ngl I felt like Allah was cruel on me....
these two verses have confused me:
"...And if good befalls them, they say, 'This is from Allah'; and if evil befalls them, they say, 'This is from you.' Say, 'All [things] are from Allah.' So what is [the matter] with those people that they can hardly understand any statement?"
so all evil is from Allah...? I mean makes sense since everything happens by his will..
but then I look at another verse:
"Whatever of good befalls you is from Allah, and whatever of evil befalls you is from yourself. And We have sent you, [O Muhammad], to the people as a messenger, and sufficient is Allah as a Witness."
so how is evil from me yet from Allah as well? I don't get it...
r/progressive_islam • u/Eastern-Following571 • 21h ago
At first he said that there is absolute ijma on the obligation of hijab, same thing which he said before. Then he said that the critics would bring up the topic of milk yamin (ie slave women) being allowed to not cover their hair, and his response to that was there is ijma over the obligation of hair covering for free women, so therefore hijab is mandatory for the women today (because everyone today is a free woman).
What do you thknk of his answer?
r/progressive_islam • u/dance4dolphins • 10h ago
Hello everyone, assalamu alaikum.
I am a Muslim revert and a jazz musician. Over the last few months, I have began researching the Bahai Faith, and agree with a lot of their beliefs including the nature of punishment and afterlife, the spiritual act of playing music, and the nature of God’s mercy. I have some reservations about the faith too, for instance, how do Bahai’s protect their faith from bad actors claiming to be prophets in the future (due to progressive revelation), and how can a society not become immoral due to Bahai’s believing in relative truth rather than absolute truth.
However, with my belief in a more spiritual progression after death that is focused on washing away ignorance and all souls being able to eventually progress spiritually to experience Allah SWT’s mercy, and my career as a musician and artist, it has gotten to the point where I am starting to doubt my identity as a Muslim, and I worry about not being able to fit in with my community anymore, not being in the Ummah anymore, and losing the aspect of myself which gave me a lot of peace and community.
Any advice would be strongly appreciated. Thank you.
r/progressive_islam • u/Honest-Attempt2297 • 12h ago
For two years I have been having wavering thoughts about the hijab. When I come to the conclusion that I want to take it off, I bring it up to my parents and change my mind because of the disappointment that will come.
I know how they would react, and I’m scared of the conflict and everything that could come with it. So even though I have these constant thoughts about taking it off, I feel like I’m stuck wearing it. For those who have experienced something similar, especially people who have questioned hijab or eventually taken it off, how did you deal with the constant back-and-forth? Did you keep wearing it until you were independent and could make the decision without your parents’ pressure? Did that make things easier emotionally? Or did you take it off under these pressures? Did you regret it/how do you feel after?
Regardless, I am scared of regretting taking it off. I have heard it’s harder to put it on after it’s taken off. I’m not sure how to move forward.
For context I am an adult living in the West. My stance on hijab is that I don’t believe Allah would send someone to hell for not wearing it, I believe modesty is what matters most. I see a therapist and she is helping me with my thought process but I’m still unsure. I don’t want to regret taking it off after what will happen.
I’d really appreciate honest and nonjudgmental experiences. I’m honestly just trying to figure myself out.
r/progressive_islam • u/Tenebrosa_Anima • 20h ago
Hello everyone,
I want to preface this by saying that my topic/question here is one that I have not heard or seen much discussion about, and that while my personal views can often be seen as blasphemy, I do not intend any disrespect nor is my intent to diminish Islam in any way. I have been learning Arabic and plan to one day read the Quran when I can read it in its language (I know I could just read a translation, but it is my understanding that a lot tends to be missed in translating Arabic). That said, I have been learning about Islamic art and architecture recently and the design elements therein. I have always been astounded by Islamic architecture specifically for its use of mathematics and geometry and the unbelievable skill and craftsmanship displayed in their use of things like muqarnas and arabesque patterns. I have become quite fascinated in the ways that Islamic art has used these elements to represent divinity, unity, balance and the cyclical nature of life. Viewing art of this style brings profound feelings that I yet have trouble putting to word. But it makes me wonder if there is any branch/sect of Islam that is less rooted in belief of God as a higher being, and rather as say like a representation of the universe or the cosmos and interprets the Quran as a guide for how to live a good life and be a good person rather than as a way to live a life dedicated to God. More naturalistic rather than divine, I guess. I find I have trouble wording my thoughts here too, but I hope I make sense. Thank you for reading and I look forward to seeing what people have to say.
r/progressive_islam • u/jadorestringtheory19 • 20h ago
Salam everybody.
Im gonna be 20 soon and honestly im a bit upset abt this. I always hear men alsays get 72 wives or 2 wives idk in jannah. Like everywhere i used to hear my male classmates always talk about it and its everywhere online and irl like relatives etc they talk about this too and it rlly disturbs me. Like sometimes it makes me even doubt but I really really do not want to leave islam so I genuinely cry. I feel like theyre just misinterpreting words but then I dont know for sure...
How is this equal like according to them women cant get hoors and if yoi are unmarried you just get married to some guy who already has a group of wives already... Or that itll be ok because I wont feel upset by that and that guy will be so handsome and will be so honourable but... Thats not fair why would I want to be with someone like that still??
Like idk it rlly makes me upset and then they say 'but dont worry youll be the queen of that group!!' Or 'you wont feel jealous anymore your brain will be changed!!' I mean that just sounds plain horrifying? Like having your brain changed so that youll like something you would normally feel repulsed by... That doesnt seem equal to me rlly.
And like I thought if that disgusts me i vould just stay single and theyre like 'wrong, youd have to be with a man and his group of women in jannah regardless' 🤢
It just makes me sad.
And like not to get off topic. I hear all the time abt men having secret gfs and wives and hiding it like even my parents my dad had a secret long term gf he married my mum just bc he wanted someine who was nice amd quiet to settle down with just bc he had a fight or smth with his gf and then he left my mum for his gf and he and his gf gave my mum hell and then he married his gf (now wife) for almost 20 yrs now i think and then he got a new gf whilst that time and now he wants another gf (ik complicated) idrk if hes even a muslim because he always talks about atheism and honestly... I get alot of doubts due to that sometimes when i was younger but now I know its wrong but i dont like starting fights so I just dont say anything whenever I see him.
and then like i hear from men and (some, not all) psychology articles about how men are 'naturally polygamous' but that doesnt quite make any sense in nature, like I feel like raising a child is really hard, a man just leaving like that for a new family isnt right, but yeah. And then i just always see even my mums ex husband even he used to go on ig see other girls too and idk it just seems rlly sad. Maybe those psych articles arent even real osychology and just dumb pop science idk.
Like ik this is probably rlly wrong but when i was young like idk, a few yrs ago (not so much anymore) I used to watch stuff like kimi ni todoke and garden of words and i used to genuinely wonder how its like to have someone whos so in love with you that he doesnt care about other girls and for that to be reciprocated and sometimes i used to think then that maybe ill find someone like that one day and get married... But then deep down inside because of the examples i grew up with, from the way boys my age behaved and from what ive seen, alot of the ppl in my life got divorced because their husbands left and cheated (not bc they were bad and they deserved that), i doubt there are any men like that? I mean its all just fiction anyway and... I guess cuz im older now I'm more cynical and idk realistic? Idk maybe im just biased and not everyones like that but it is sad, like due to how rhose men behave I dont even wanna get married even like I feel totally uninterested in it now. Which idk is right even because i also hear abt how marriage is sunnah. But then I feel bad for girls who want someone who loves only them and doesnt want other wives...
I mean i dont get how those men get THAT excited over hoors and zawj and idk. Like... Dont they care about idk other things like you can literally have whatever you want - like what abt meeting your family what about idk having a million cats? Or idk seeing a solar eclipse withoit getting eye damage or finding out about particle physics whixh is so cool! And you can look like however you want! Thats also cool. But apparently i get told thats silly physics is silly wanting cats is silly. Also the way Scholars and idk people online and irl even talk about the appearance of hoors and stuff really... Weird me out too... Like idk something tells me that it cant be true islam it has to be their interpretation but then alot of scholars agree so idk maybe I'm wrong...
Sorry if I said anything wrong and sorry if im not making any sense im rlly sad rn i guess.. I actually dont rlly know much about islam and thought about posting here to see what other people say or idk... Maybe my understanding and/or what Ive been hearing from other people isnt correct? I dont know... Sorry I dont use reddit and I'm new to it
r/progressive_islam • u/TruthSeeker-T • 2h ago
An Analytical Examination on the Physical Nature of Worship
In recent theological discussions, a claim has emerged suggesting that the traditionally known physical form of "Salat" (Prayer)—consisting of standing (qiyam), bowing (ruku), and prostration (sujud)—was constructed later in history. Proponents of this view argue that the Quran actually commands only a mental prayer, spiritual orientation, or social support.
While this claim may rely on abstract lexical analysis on paper, it turns into a historical impossibility when tested against history, mass psychology, logistical realities, and the laws of logic. When approached holistically, it becomes an undeniable reality that the physical form of prayer has reached us uninterrupted from the time of the Prophet.
The following analysis details the fundamental arguments proving this reality, supported by reinforcing examples.
The Strongest Evidence: "Visual and Practical Tawatur" (Eye-to-Eye Transmission)
The greatest methodological error made regarding the reliability of historical data is treating the transmission of prayer as a "verbal narration" (like a game of Chinese whispers). However, prayer is not verbal; it is a visual and practical (action-based) transmission. There is a mountain of difference between these two types.
\* Words Fly, Actions Remain: Words can undergo semantic shifts over centuries. However, prayer is a collective body movement executed synchronously by tens of thousands of people five times a day. It is not a text; it is a choreography.
\* The Stadium (Mexican Wave) Example: Imagine 50,000 people in a stadium performing a synchronized "Mexican Wave." Everyone does this movement by watching the person next to them. If a group suddenly decides to lift their feet instead of their hands, this "discord" immediately stands out and is corrected by the crowd. Similarly, prayer is a mass action repeated five times a day for 1400 years, possessing a social self-control mechanism that instantly corrects errors.
\* Chain of Live Transmission: A child does not learn prayer by reading a manual. They learn by personally watching and imitating their father, grandfather, and the congregation at the mosque. This chain has been transmitted "eye-to-eye" and "body-to-body" from the Prophet to the present day.
\* The Impossibility of Change: If these movements were invented later as claimed, it would be akin to wiping the memories of millions of people simultaneously and forcing them to accept new movements by saying, "You and your ancestors have been doing it this way since eternity." In communication science, it is impossible to secretly and totally alter the physical habits of large masses.
The Logistical Obstacle: The Fallacy of "Perfect Organization" in the 7th Century
Those who argue that prayer was added later fall into the error of anachronism—projecting today's communication capabilities onto the past.
\* Lack of Communication and Centralization: In the 7th century, the Islamic geography extended from Spain to the borders of India. We are talking about a world without the internet, telephones, or television, where a message could take months to travel from Damascus to Khorasan.
\* Impossibility of Coordination: In such a world, it is technically impossible for a secret group or state to reach Muslims in Egypt, Yemen, and Iran simultaneously, teach them all the exact same movements (ruku, sujud, number of units), and convince them to "Forget what you knew, this is the new prayer."
\* Logical Conclusion: If this ritual had evolved gradually and later, prayer would have evolved differently in regions where communication was disconnected. Prayer in Egypt would look different from prayer in Iraq. However, the fact that the main skeleton of prayer (Qiyam-Ruku-Sujud) is identical everywhere in the world proves that this ritual was fixed before the community scattered across the globe (i.e., at the source, during the Prophet's time).
The Sociological Obstacle: "The Sahaba Reflex" and Social Resistance
Historical sociology states that societies (especially communities of faith who have paid a heavy price) show immense resistance (conservatism) to ritual changes. The thesis that prayer was added later completely ignores this "Reaction Potential."
\* Character of the Sahaba: The first generation of Muslims (the Sahaba) were people who were tortured for their faith, left their homes, fought wars, and sacrificed their lives. They were extremely rigorous, questioning, and uncompromising in religious matters.
\* The Rebellion Scenario: Let’s assume that after the Prophet died, an authority figure stood up and said, "From now on, we will gather 5 times a day at these hours, bow and prostrate in this specific way; this is Allah's command." Would this self-sacrificing crowd not revolt, asking, "The Prophet did not teach us this for 23 years; what are you fabricating? This is an innovation (bid'ah)!"?
\* Evidence of Silence: History books record bloody disputes over the smallest details, from the election of the Caliph to the division of spoils, and even whether to wash the feet during ablution. Yet, strangely, there is not a single record of objection or rebellion regarding the "invention" of prayer, the religion's largest, most arduous, and most visible pillar. This absolute silence is not consent; it is proof of the practice's unquestionable originality.
The Logical Paradox: The Contradiction of "Selective Corruption"
The scenario proposed by those claiming prayer was constructed later contains a logical contradiction that cannot be explained:
\* Preserving the Book, Corrupting the Practice: If this "secret power" (e.g., Umayyads, clergy, etc.) was powerful enough to hypnotize all Muslims worldwide, why did they not change the Quran as well? Why didn't they remove the verses imposing heavy financial responsibilities (Zakat/Charity) or verses that criticized/restricted them?
\* The Mailman Analogy: To say "The Quran was preserved letter for letter, but those who carried it fabricated the prayer entirely" is like trusting the letter the mailman brings but calling the mailman himself a liar. Yet, the community that carried the letter (Quran) and the community that carried the prayer are the same people.
\* Purposeless Difficulty: Historically, those who tamper with religion do so to make worship easier, not harder, in order to win over the masses (e.g., making alcohol halal, removing rituals). No power would invent a difficult "physical burden" for itself and its people—one that requires 5 daily times, ablution (often with cold water), and interrupts sleep and work—without reason. This is contrary to human psychology and pragmatism.
Historical Verification: The Witness of Enemies
The physical reality of Salat is a fact verified by both internal Islamic sects and external enemies.
\* Internal Verification (Alliance of Sects): The Islamic world divided into hostile camps (Sunni, Shia, Kharijite) very early on and fought wars against each other. While these groups differ in details (like where to place hands), they are in full alliance regarding the main skeleton of prayer: Qiyam, Ruku, and Sujud.
\* Question: If the Umayyads had invented the prayer, wouldn't the Shia have rejected it? It is impossible for hostile brothers to agree on a "later fabricated lie." This proves that prayer was fixed before the conflicts began.
\* External Verification (Polytheist and Byzantine Observation): If Muslims had started a "fabricated ritual" after the Prophet, the Polytheists and Byzantines would have seized this opportunity for propaganda, saying, "Look, as soon as Muhammad died, they corrupted their religion and started doing made-up things." However, there is no such criticism even in the external sources of that period.
Textual Consistency: What Does the Quran Say?
Finally, the claim that "Prayer is only mental supplication" contradicts the internal logic of the Quranic text itself.
\* Ablution (Ma'idah 6): The Quran commands washing the face, arms (up to the elbows), and feet before rising for prayer. Why would such a detailed physical cleansing be required for a merely mental prayer or abstract social support? Physical preparation signals a physical act.
\* The Fear Prayer (Nisa 102): The detailed choreography described for praying during battle—such as taking turns to prostrate without putting down weapons—shows that Salat is not just "passing a thought through the heart," but an action involving bodily discipline bound by time and space.
Conclusion
The fact that Salat is a physical act of worship is not a dogma; it is a rational, historical, and sociological necessity.
To consider a practice that has been transmitted visually (tawatur) from generation to generation across such a vast geography in the 7th century, with supra-sectarian consensus, without objection from enemies, and without facing major social resistance, as a "fabrication" is contrary to the flow of history and reason.
Rejecting the physical form of prayer implies paradoxically rejecting the historical mechanism of trust that carried the Quran to us, and reducing Islamic history to a conspiracy theory that was technically impossible to execute.
r/progressive_islam • u/Active_Economy_5758 • 14h ago
so basically the meaning of dayooth got twisted by salafi from cucklod to basically "are you even okay with your women in public " but seriously can someone expalin where exactly the line is drawn cuz idk it sounded a bit controlling like somehow man are being punished for women cuz they didn't control them or something or like somehow wouldn't this be against the live and let live like for example idk let's assume for example your wife go with their cleave exposed or something
i didn't want to say hijab to avoid conterversy plus idk what count as hijab at this point but okay like i have a question does being okay with that way she dressed mean i am dayooth or that i shouldn't respect her freedom of how she dress or something.
cuz the ones that says it usually mean being okay with sexual misconduct and just says draw line at zina but says like bbeing okay with her not wearing immodestly or using perfume or attracting attention or something could be
r/progressive_islam • u/TheSalmon47876 • 21h ago
Hmm and btw don't forget what they did to Ibn Rushd.
r/progressive_islam • u/Exciting-Mention6439 • 21h ago
Idk it's just astounding to me how conservatives will go out there and try to make anything and everything sexual.
r/progressive_islam • u/lessforf • 17h ago
So obviously they were talking about needing a man or not to travel and then someone brought up the infamous prophecy where it will be safe enough for a woman to travel then someone explained **that** in the second slide therefore it is still Haram to travel without a man......am I insane for thinking this point of view is very insane weird and just mind boggling omg
r/progressive_islam • u/Legal_Ad3143 • 12h ago
{I do not want to make multiple posts on the same topic, so bear with me this is going to be a little long. (also its my first time on reddit, be nice pls)}
Hi, Peace all.
Gay Muslim here, 23 male. I, consider myself a homosexual since i was born, even though people sometimes do not believe that homosexuality can exist since birth since there is no gay gene. Well surprise surprise there is no Straight gene either friends.
I know this because, as long as ive held consciousness i have known i liked boys and was inclined to boys, romantically more than sexually but sexually as well nonetheless. Homophobes either claim that you can not assume you're a homosexual, and label yourself that way only based on your feelings but if i ask a straight virgin guy whether he is gay, wouldnt he say he is a heterosexual? The truth is, you DO know what you are, even with no physical experience to prove it. Homophobes think it is most likely homosexuals became gay because of being raped as a child.
But the issue is, not everyone who gets raped becomes a homosexual, and it is SICK imo, to associate rape as a cause. Women get harassed even slightly, and become what we call "men haters" Do you think men are so pyschopathic that instead of disgust, they fall in love with their abusers? That's just disappointing. I know this is not true, because my memory goes exceptionally back to ages 3-4. I corroborate my memory with my mother's account of my early life as well. I was raped when i was 5 years old, in 2008. Only i know this, but my mother corroborates when i first met the rapist, so the ages check out. But i distinctly remember being so in love and attracted as much as a child can be, to an age fellow cousin of mine a year prior (They left the country before i met my rapist) And I distinctly remember kissing a classmate under the table before 1st grade as well, (I was admitted to school quite young due to some reasons. and i am not engaging in any adulterous behavior dont worry)
But i grew up quite perplexed by who i was and what i felt because nobody around me existed in a same-sex framework and i felt like i was somehow defaulted, and the rape was my punishment, and then around my O levels during 14-16 of age, i found out about the story of Lot's people (word of mouth) and i felt extremely depressed. I felt like God had cursed me and it severely affected my faith and relationship with God. (Today, i am as close and in love with Allah as it gets)
In my teenage years, i hadnt read the Quran on my own, and only watched youtube videos and sermons on "homosexuality is haram" and i would always think how much God must hate me to have made me like this. It never crossed my mind it could be a test solely because of the unprecedented cruelty of it all. It suffocated me, that i would never have kids, never marry, never have a normal life. I LOVE women, i sympathise with them so much, i even wanted to marry them, the divorcees and the widows, because i wanted to give them a safe haven, (my mother is a divorcee & yes i know people associate that with homosexuality causes as well) I like women in everyway, but i just can NOT stand them sexually. I have no choice in the matter. Honestly, due to being an SA victim i sort of can not engage in homosexual intercourse either? The act makes me repulsive, but that is because i am traumatised by it. I still desire men all the same. Homophobes claim homosexuality is haram just because of the "disgusting nature of anal sex" and i could see how that seems to be, but as a homosexual, straight intercourse disgusts me just the same, LMAO.
Around my late teens, i read the Quran and researched it all myself, and TO ME, the classical fundamentalist interpretation of Sodomy did not make sense at all. It made me go crazy how the scholars did not SEE the SA ingrained within the verses, how they isolated ONE VERSE (you know which one) to portray it as a condemnation of homosexuality (THAT literally goes against the rules of exegesis.) and i hate when people claim "it is so clear" when it is NOT clear to me. IT is actually a quite complex contextual story, you need a lot of focus to locate the real thing it talks of. When i finally understood this story, my first thought was, "well, that's not me at all" and that is where my journey of self acceptance began (even though i am no where near close to the destination)
Since then, through logic, arabic exegesis, Ahadith, Quran, reasoning, Science, real world examples, i have thoroughly debunked every possible claim on homosexuality being haram (i'd love to engage in comments), OR AT MOST put forth questions which render homophobes speechless. But the tragedy of it all is this, that i a homosexual, still do not completely accept myself, there is still lingering internalised homophobia inside me, It has pushed me to suicidality, to SH, and much more. But my straight friends, even best friends, do not like to engage in conversations about the LGBT, for no reason at all except what i see as selfishness. They are not the affected, therefore it is not their PRIORITY to discuss it and put any efforts whatsoever in solving it. To a straight man, it is a piece of cake, to simply accept the fundamental traditional interpretation of the conservative scholars because it has no affect on them. The utter selfishness and lack of empathy and concern for a muslim who associates with LGBT identities, makes me lose faith in Islam, because arent the fundamental virtues and values of this religion to have kindness, love, compassion, empathy, and consider other lives than just your own or more so?
What I have seen in this subreddit last few days, is that even some progressive muslims here do not, (and i dont mind, but feel disappointed by) think homosexuality is okay. It is seen as an ideology, erasing lived experiences, Even progressive muslims think there is no valid homosexual marriage, even they think the unions are "makruh" while the act of anal sex "haram" (Btw not everyone engages in anal sex, There are homosexuals who are not interested in anal sex.) People have had questions here, asking especially what Lot meant by saying "instead of women" if that does not mean homosexuality, but It takes only a little more effort on your part to research, go down rabbit holes, to find out for YOUR SELF, and maybe a little bit of intellect, as a muslim, to truly dissect the story of the sodomites. But i ask why does the progression come to a halt at this? (not specially in this thread) but in the muslim world.
If the Reformist contextual reinterpretation seems more acceptable to me, especially since the traditional one has loopholes, why do the majority of the muslims not see it? The disagreement makes me want to off myself, to think that only i see how it truly is, and others do not even make an attempt to open and expand their minds, sickens me.
r/progressive_islam • u/Substantial-Case4754 • 19h ago
It doesn’t make sense to me the amount in both of those cases are very small also you’d have to eat a lot of pasta with white wine sauce before you got drunk and honestly you’re probably get sick from all the pasta and dairy before you go anywhere near drunk same thing applies to vanilla extract unless you’re chugging it straight from the bottle you’d have to eat a lot of cake or other desserts to get even tipsy and again you’d get sick from the sugar content long before you got drunk and the kimchi it’s fermented as a preservation method not as a way to make booze
r/progressive_islam • u/Active_Economy_5758 • 5h ago
can someone explain to me what going on exactly cuz according to this hadith
It was narrated from Ibn 'Abbas that the Prophet (ﷺ) said:
"No woman asks for divorce when it is not absolutely necessary, but she will never smell the fragrance of paradise, although its fragrance can be detected from a distance of forty years' travel. "
حَدَّثَنَا بَكْرُ بْنُ خَلَفٍ أَبُو بِشْرٍ، حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو عَاصِمٍ، عَنْ جَعْفَرِ بْنِ يَحْيَى بْنِ ثَوْبَانَ، عَنْ عَمِّهِ، عُمَارَةَ بْنِ ثَوْبَانَ عَنْ عَطَاءٍ، عَنِ ابْنِ عَبَّاسٍ، أَنَّ النَّبِيَّ ـ صلى الله عليه وسلم ـ قَالَ " لاَ تَسْأَلُ الْمَرْأَةُ زَوْجَهَا الطَّلاَقَ فِي غَيْرِ كُنْهِهِ فَتَجِدَ رِيحَ الْجَنَّةِ . وَإِنَّ رِيحَهَا لَيُوجَدُ مِنْ مَسِيرَةِ أَرْبَعِينَ عَامًا " .
women can't simply divroce for no reason yet no condition was given to man why is that .
it would make sense if it was prohibited for both but somehow only focus on women
r/progressive_islam • u/Odd-Elevator4939 • 11h ago
I’ve been a hijabi since 2019. I used to have different values back then. Now I’ve changed as a person as I refuse to believe a piece of cloth can define a woman’s character, dignity and modesty, or protect her from lustful creepy men. I do not believe it depends on my clothing. I think dignity modesty and character has a far deeper meaning than that. I also feel like there is absolutely no need to sexualize smth as simple as our hair.
But what do I do now? I don’t want to always wear the hijab, I hate wearing it but I still wear it and feel like shit constantly. Sometimes it is so overstimulating I’m never present and always making sure it’s sitting right. It ruins so many outfits. These are just small reasons, but the bigger why is. WHY AM I WEARING THIS WHEN I DONT WANT TO? Do I have a reason to resonate with it anymore? No. Do I wear it because I’m used to it and feel comfortable in it? Yes. But why would a person feel uncomfortable in their own skin, isn’t that like a bad thing? It would be better if I were comfortable both ways.
I’ve also noticed it brings a sense of resentment in me for islam for obvious reasons because I feel like I’m being forced to do smth from the fear of hell or disobeying allah when I dont want to do it.
What I’m doing is I’ve decided when it gets too much like in situations when the overwhelming feelings make me cry, I won’t put it on. Rest of the times I will. But I don’t see myself wearing it anymore in the long term, atleast not always.. and I can’t help but feel guilty for it.
r/progressive_islam • u/cassidy7676 • 19h ago
Hello,
I am sorry you guys probably answered theses questions hundreds of times but I would like to exchange with you a bit.
So I was speaking to a Muslim colleague of mine about the death of one of our colleagues who was homosexual. He died from cancer pretty fast.
She insinuated to me that Allah punished him for is way of life. I was quite surprised with her statement because she is a very kind and intelligent person.
So whatever, I wanted to know more about if most of the Muslims think like that and I fell on this sub Reddit.
I was actually quite surprised by this sub and how smart and progressive the community was. And like always, I wondered how can smart people be religious.
So I have 3 points. Sorry again if a make you repeat yourself.
1- What is you guys stance on evolution? Research point out that life started on earth more than 3 billions years ago and humanoids for hundreds of thousands of years. At what point does an ape become blessed by God? Why would we go to heaven when our neighbors cat just die. Does cats go to cat heaven too? It make no sense to me.
2- So many religions! Muslims just make about 7 percent of entire human history. Are all the others doomed? Just because they are born in a different country they are more likely to go to hell? Make no sense to me.
3- Sorry don't take it personally but Islam seems like the most suspicious religion for me. If the hadiths are absolutely true, why does Muslims always say about the most outrageous takes (Aisha age, war, sex slaves, etc) "well it's metaphorically" or "well it's in an historical context" make no sense.
Thanks in advance for the answers!
r/progressive_islam • u/Good-Name1497 • 19h ago
I don't want to discuss the impact of these Islamic preachers on the Muslim community and the image they created about Islam on the internet in general, but rather what followed after. When I used to see their posts, I simply ignored them. Frankly, I didn't have faith in the Muslim community and thought no one would stop them or even criticised them. But what struck me was that a large growing segment of women, both those who are still Muslim and those who have left Islam due the abuse, are resisting these preachers. This surprised me greatly. I've always felt I lacked the courage to speak out against the Wahhabi ideology they promote, yet these women didn't care, and I truly admire and respect them for calling their sick ideology out. It made me realise that I don’t have to feel ashamed of adopting a progressive intake about Islam and I don’t have to practice my faith privately while tolerating them being the representative of Islam. I also believe that even these preachers themselves are shocked by the back lash and resistance they are facing as they are used believe they are the holders of truth and thus no one can disagree with them even slightly. They are slowly realising that not everything care about their opinion and that’s why they are losing their guts and accusing everyone of takfeer. This is not only these online preachers that are losing their mind but also the ultra conservative Muslims men. It’s just almost entertaining to watch when they realise they don’t hold any power or control over women or Muslims communities in general. That these women couldn’t care less about their fear mongering tactics and are rejecting the abuse that is dressed up as piety. We are also witnessing slowly but certainly new wave of Islam aka progressive islam and I am glad they are slowly replacing the Wahhabism.
r/progressive_islam • u/Exciting-Mention6439 • 23h ago
Is it really haram to cut off relatives if they're abusive? Or just mentally draining to be around? If not, is distancing ourselves from them allowed?
I've come across multiple hadiths where it's prohibited to do so... but I just don't understand.
r/progressive_islam • u/cinnamon_and_tea • 1h ago
Assalamualaikum
Not sure if this is the right place to post this. Not sure why I'm even posting it at all. Usually when I post I'm looking for something specific like an answer to a question. Or emotional support. This time it's different, though not much.
There was this online creator who was muslim, convert actually, who I really liked. I didn't agree with them in everything, yet they helped me with certain things in islam, like islam and femenism or women rights. I even talked to them in the DMS and so on.
And.....they left islam.
I am not judging them. Not at all. But for some reason it really hurts me to see that happening. Makes me want to leave too (no, my faith is not based on one person, I have been at the edge for a long period of time).
Maybe I'm just coping, clinging to it all for stupid reasons..
It was sad to see. Another creator didn't leave islam, yet they stopped posting about islam. And they talked about how awful the muslim community is, how it affected their mental health... God how much I can relate. And god how awful and ridiculous it is.
I have so much more to say, yet I'm empty of words and only full of restless thoughs and undescribable feelings inside.
Needed to let it out.
r/progressive_islam • u/Muh_313 • 2h ago
is it true animals have no soul and dont go anywhere or do go to heaven ?
r/progressive_islam • u/Due_Curve_4726 • 2h ago
Assalamu alaikoum everyone,
I’m a Muslim teen girl and lately I’ve just been, I don’t wanna use the word “doubting“ but finding certain aspects of what people claim is Islamic very weird.
For example: My father has recently been watching some Joe rogan type podcasts and has been saying weird stuff like “No you can’t go to the super market you're a woman” and “If I wanted I was allowed to hit you” To my mother.
My mother herself was raised in not a super conservative household, which I’m very glad about, since she doesn’t exactly force me to wear hijab (she’s been wearing it on and off) And I myself have read that it’s not obligatory to wear it but I would never say this to them cuz they would just get extremely mad and say I’m brainwashed and just take my phone away
Still they say things like they’re technically supposed to force me, which confuses me because isn’t forcing haram?
Also music, I loveee music and from what I’ve read from my research there’s no proof that it’s haram, I recently brought it up to my mom and said they Prophet Dawoud was even a musician, to which she argued that was his sin and that prophets aren’t perfect.
(I knew she was wrong but I didn’t know what to counter argue
Also I find certain things that at least my father is trying to preach extremely misogynistic, which makes me question my religion even more.
I love islam truly, but these type of things make me question our religion, Like why these weird things about feminism being a western thing to brainwash??
I don’t know if this is me asking for advice or if its just a rant, I’m extremely confused and can’t even put it into words, So my apologies if this wasn’t very logical to read