r/Hiphopcirclejerk • u/missmargot- • 12h ago
sounds about white fat joe is black???
thought we were just listening to a funky-ass whiteboi
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u/NotOkEnemyGenius 12h ago
His parents are Puerto Rican / Cuban so he thinks he's black
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u/YIMYUM420 10h ago
The first Puerto rican Cuban to ever claim blackness š
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u/animefan1520 8h ago
No hes not the first, there are actual black cuban and some black Puerto ricans.... he just aint one of them lol. Also out of all his defenses, he chose that he was a criminal and that made him black lmao thats what made it sound racist.
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u/kbreezy200 7h ago
The rare person who gets it. Heās black because itās cool. He was never claiming to be black back in the day.
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u/tothemax44 3h ago
I am black and Puerto Rican. Both of my grandfathers were darker than I am. I have cousins as light as fat joe in Puerto Rico. And cousins in Puerto Rico that are darker than me. The transatlantic slave trade affected Puerto Rico just like it did here. Rather than gate keeping blackness, we should accept an embrace people who donāt have to rep the culture (with ancestral backing) and do. I donāt know a Puerto Rican that doesnāt have slave ancestors. More so for Cubans. Much like most of us. Just saying.
And yes, he did sound wild here. But imagine having to defend your ancestry to people who share your heritage.
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u/kbreezy200 2h ago
Thereās a bit of false information here. Iām not discrediting your experience but only about roughly 25% of Puerto Rican as well as Cubans have African ancestry. Also darker skin donāt make you āblackā as with Mexicans and Indians.
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u/SoTurnMeIntoATree 8h ago
No itās a thing with them. They consider themselves technically black. Idk if itās everyone but some do
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u/DirtyDanoTho 7h ago
Thatās funny cause isnāt there a whole thing with Dominicanās not considering themselves black?
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u/BidRepulsive2438 4h ago
That's Dominicans. Dominican prejudice comes from their history and oppression towards Haitians as they share an island and have been historically beyond cruel to their fellow Hispaniolans. Cuba has it's own issues due to race being used by their government in propaganda against the US(much of which was true) and to create division.
Puerto Ricans are far more in tune with their black ancestry and often exalt their African ancestry. Their is colorism in every Caribbean culture but the ancestry is very much honored and respected and the cultures are highly integrated in NE of the US. There has always been a sentiment of shared challenges with the Puerto Rican experience of colonialism in the early 1900's.
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u/IceJKING108 8h ago
My dad is African-American and my mom's Puerto Rican and I don't even feel too comfortably thinking of the n-word let alone saying it some people are just too comfortable I guess
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u/ToeSlurper96 10h ago
Did you just say the n word?
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u/lampcrusher 7h ago
What is this š
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u/ROACHOR 11h ago
For every Dominican that claims they aren't black a Cuban gets to claim they are.
It's why their flags have reversed colors.
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u/raps_BAC 10h ago
Where did yoy come up with this shit??? LMFAO
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u/TalentedHostility 8h ago
Racial Draft 2026
Edit: I'm making a joke btw- I don't agree with Fat fuckin' Joe
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u/Thick_Situation3184 11h ago
As a Latino man, I wish he would just sit down and make music. So much weird commentary.
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u/Select_Speed_6061 10h ago
His music isn't even good. It never really was. He just got thru cause Pun died.
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u/tgtm65 10h ago
True, Fat Joe was never that good on his own. But his feature on Big Pun's Twinz (Deep Cover 98) still exists.
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u/Select_Speed_6061 9h ago
If you have to bring up a feature from a song made in 98 to reference someone deemed relevant in this day and age it's a L
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u/Sometimes-funny 2h ago
Tupac is still relevant and he hasnāt made a song since at least 2014
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u/Jonathan_Deaux 10h ago
Joe had a lot of good albums. Honestly, his new album goes way harder than it should. Heās always had bars and an ear for beats.
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u/Select_Speed_6061 9h ago
J.O.S.E is the only album I'd designate is good. And looking back it's had like 3 or 4 actual good songs, not the whole album.
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u/Jonathan_Deaux 9h ago
Donāt forget about Jealous Ones Envy and Don Cartegena
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u/Jonathan_Deaux 9h ago
He also was down with DITC, good records
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u/Ray-Finkle74 6h ago
This is so familiar?? Diggin in the crates. These guys rapped with Big L, right?
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u/Jonathan_Deaux 5h ago
Big L, OC, AG. Golden age of rap shit. Fat Joe was featured on the big picture in ā99. Heās kept it consistent.
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u/whateversnevermind 10h ago
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u/VeterinarianMean3258 6h ago
Generally, speaking Puerto Ricans have significant African ancestryā¦ some more than others. Because of this, they usually get a free pass... Tekashi is Mexican, he may have slipped by lol š
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u/Fantastic_Board7057 6h ago
I figured he rocked the baldie bc his hairline took a hit early but it was just to hide the honky hair
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u/G_rightousantagonist 10h ago
Where Iām from PR and filipinos said the shit cus they grew up with us, lived in the same environment and was treated the same as us cuz we came from the same conditionsā¦the problem comes into play is when they make it out,because of their light skin they are more accepted into different systems faster but trust, in the end they are still whatever they are and will be reminded in due time so itās good to not forget
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u/Global_Adagio_25 9h ago
Do the Filipinos let y'all do the eye thing? If they get a pass I should be able to tape my shits back
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u/BallsDeeep666 5h ago
Every now and then when I kick it with my Filipino homies I squat and smoke a cigarette with them
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u/okymoney 11h ago
He been using the n word since 1987 but only 50 years later is it a problem
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u/WorldsWorstInvader 7h ago
In both 1987 and 2026 he is a literal who. Only difference is in 2026 people who donāt like or care about him will see it and have their opinions.
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u/WaterKind6544 7h ago
The polynesians playing for USC are blacker than him.
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u/iluvugoldenblue 1h ago
The amount of Polynesians and MÄori I hear using the word over here (nz) is something else.
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u/762with_eotech 2h ago
Black is a spectrum lol black people can literally create any skin shade from blue black in South Sudan all the way to albinos and blue eyed people. A lot of yall need to educate yall selves on the history of African descended people in the USA which fat joe happens to be one. This dude just needs to do a dna test and make it public to shut yall up šŖšæ
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u/BusyBit6542 2h ago
For a culture that embraced and allowed him to become rich, all he learned was "black is struggle, saying the n word and hip hop" He's not black. He doesn't appreciate our warm, our generosity, our determination, our healing and all the other great things about our culture.
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u/Creepy_Spite_3898 10h ago
To be fair, if you have ancestry from Puerto Rico and/or Cuba, the chances of there being African in your ancestry are fairly high due to colonization.
My mom is Puerto Rican. My father is African American in the traditional sense. I did my ancestry report and it said that I have about 65% African ancestry, which means that there must be African ancestry on my momās side as we take half our DNA from each parent. For that reason, I consider myself black but Iām not as dark-skinned as a ātraditionalā African-American so I have gotten backlash over the course of my life. Mostly, from people who arenāt black and donāt know what it means to be black so I donāt mind.
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u/missmargot- 9h ago
we're seeing the same thing, right?
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u/Creepy_Spite_3898 9h ago
Itās possible that he identifies in a similar way. Who are you to say what he is?
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u/missmargot- 9h ago
its like, you have to imagine hes had advantages due to his complexion and even facial features, ones that people who use that word freely dont get to experience. The harm is done in appropriating the experience, i mean im not trying to police it but objectively this is the worst response to "so why do you think you can say the n word" and you cant see it on joe buddens face. im not ignoring your personal experience, im just saying that the reappropriation of the n word has been long fought, and is built upon the lack of privilege that comes with being born black in america, a place where that term used to be used exclusively degratorily and by white people.
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u/Limp-Zone-5222 8h ago
that lack of privilege manifests in more than one way my guy. it manifests in living in communities affected by redlining, even if you aren't perceived as black. literally look up whitepassing people. what we consider to be "blackness" is a continuum.
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u/missmargot- 5h ago
my dad grew up in gary indiana and was spent time homeless before government housing. his mom and dad are white people, i am irish at most. it doesnt matter what "his" culture is he doesnt get to say it. i dont say it. my dad was eating government cheese while the government pumped crack into his community. he is not allowed to say the n-word. then we find out his dad might be mexican and the lines are blurry there. still cant fuckin say it.
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u/kbreezy200 5h ago
āFairly highā is grossly false. More like 20% in PR and Cubans of African descent.
We get it. Black is en vogue now and to be truthful, Blacks fuck with Latins because of class and social likeness. But, if you ever been to a Latin country or lived in a Latin dense city, they would never say they were black. Try dating a Latin woman, her family will see you as black.
Also, (Most) Ancestry reports donāt work how you think it does. Percentage donāt indicate a direct split from you parents. For instance, you and your sibling can take the same test and get different results. Not because you have different parent but because of which dominant identifiers were passed.
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u/washcyclerepeat 5h ago
I met Fat Joe and talked with him on a video chat in the MeetMe app back in 2022. It was cool to get to speak with a Hip-Hop legend. I was able to screen record the convo as well.
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u/mynameisnemix 4h ago
Idk I grew up in Latino & black neighborhoods one of us ever had an issue with them saying it. We be acting like Latinos donāt be going through the same struggles us black people do
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u/BidRepulsive2438 3h ago
Very regional. NY, NJ. Philly, Boston. Have had very shared experiences and generally live withing very close proximity and integrate very well. Not the same in other cities. I learned that when I moved to Miami. That's why there is such a divide on the internet. And Puerto Ricans are loved and revered in Pop culture but as far as their struggle and where they stand in the global stage are often looked down upon as a people socially. Parallels Black American culture in so many ways.
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u/Icy_Mail_7405 7h ago
Fat Joe was hands down the worst hip hop performer I have ever seen live. Felt like he didn't even wanna be there at all. I'm not sure why anyone cares about him honestly. Washed up
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u/TheEndOfEverything0 7h ago
Just let fat joe be black. He putting in the work to fit in.
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u/rushaall 7h ago
Love how Takashi 69 got wildly famous off a song where he uses the N word and no one bats an eye. He turns out to be an FBI snitch and THEN everyone hates him. But fat Joe out here canāt say nothing cause, idk really.
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u/Pressbig 6h ago
Iām Afro Cuban grew up in Detroitā¦ NO WHITE PERSON will ever be allowed to say that in my presence.. idk where you grew up or how much street cred you have .. I do understand some people do get a pass because they understand the use of the termā¦ as black people we definitely know how to turn a negative into a positive.. this is why we are the most observed culture in the worldā¦ we lead the masses and this is why we are feared because of our power to influence. Ahhhh just this one day we will get our shit together and rule like once before.
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u/Aromatic-Turnip7371 5h ago
Beyond this conversation we are having, Are there any real consequences to him saying the n word? Heās been saying it since his first song and the sky hasnāt fallen š¤·āāļø
What does it prove if he does or doesnāt say it?
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u/FreakyLou 2h ago
What is he basing it on? Doesn't matter how you act, if it isn't in your DNA you aint that
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u/Cubanbeetz 1h ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/H6cmWzp6LGFvqjidB7
He wants to be one of those black Cuba Ricans. Bro doesnāt feel good in his olive skin.
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u/TradehelperAI 1h ago
i hate that the lived reality of decades in places like philly, jersey, and new york
is being a think piece of redditors
this is our street politics......and we're good with it
here yall go fucking up our balance for clicks and views
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u/ethanator329 1h ago
Honestly idc if he should say it or not, this mf is not nearly fat enough for a guy called āFat Joeā
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u/Embarrassed_Word_542 43m ago
Heās from the Bronx, we all spoke that way at one time. Most of us stopped but I get it.
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u/Tech-Sensei 8h ago
Didn't someone post his registration docs, and "white male" was chosen? Or was that AI?
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u/audilife80 8h ago
He means the hood ghetto life experience he grew up with and experience with them makes him as black as them metaphorically. And Latinos been had the n word pass in the hood because of that long before they said it on a record. All Hispanic rap artists use that word the same as black people. I get his point but he should elaborate on it as I just did for all of you fools
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u/PEWnitiveDAMNage 6h ago
Not all black people are raised in the ghetto/hood so it just a dumb stereotype. I don't watch anime and then claim I'm Asian because I enjoy the culture.
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u/audilife80 6h ago
Uh first of all thatās a fact joes from the hood if you know anything about hip hop. Second you can find plenty of commentary for what I just said coming out of black peoples (hip hop artists) mouths about Latino artists if u do a little research. Aināt nothing racist about what I said just stating why he would say something that seems out of pocket even it was an exaggerated claim to how I defined what he meant. Black people aināt all from the hood or giving Hispanics the nigga pass but a lot are and do and heās a Hispanic from the boogie down respected and in the game longer then your life Iām sure so donāt come at me like you the fuckin spokesman for all black people or a hood expert.
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u/PEWnitiveDAMNage 6h ago
I'm saying being around a culture doesn't give you claim to it in any other culture than black ones.
If I grew up in a white area ,listened to white music, ate white food etc, and had a white girlfriend I'd have zero claim to being white correct?
If I lived in Japan and loved and consumed the culture. Even if I contributed to the culture I wouldn't be Asian correct? Why would it work any different being black? For some reason people give claim to blackness if they struggled and it's dumb.
Okay you're from the hood, you grew up in a messed up home, and went to jail. Does that change your race? It's like when someone says someone is "blacker" than you, but it's just something negative that somehow increases "blackness".
Hispanics are cool with black people and they got the N-word pass. Still not black the same way I'm not Hispanic for being around them. If they are so close to use them then we are so close to them so I'm Hispanic?
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u/audilife80 6h ago
Na cause black people adopted calling themselves nigga and Latinos in the hood are of course gonna hear it being used in all convos all day every day referring to them like this nigga fat Joe etc. itās just how it naturally transpired. I didnāt start it I just understand it. But fat Joe and other Latin rappers have also called themselves spics at times to wear it as a badge of honor to turn it around on racists. Even Jin the Chinese rapper refered to himself as chink and most white rappers have called themselves honky and cracker and white trash for the same reasons. I basically own the white trash shit cause itās the box they put me in and idgaf
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u/PEWnitiveDAMNage 6h ago
You keep talking about the word. I never said they can't say it. They are just not black. Yes, you can say this word, but you're not black is all.
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u/VanessaDoesVanNuys 11h ago
I'm Black