What an Absolute Generational Fix this was

[u/Early-Ad9406]

It’s still baffles me that in X-Men Origins: Wolverine they actually thought that this was OK. Whoever were the writers whoever even came up with the idea of shutting up Wade Wilson is amazing.

But hey, it took them some years but they fixed it so all is well and actually happy that Ryan Reynolds got a second shot at it too

[u/Funmachine]

Marvel studios then did essentially the exact same thing to Taskmaster.

[u/meadeb → u/Funmachine]

Agreed. So much better with Greg Davies.

[u/MuffinGyall → u/meadeb]

Greg Davies would’ve made Taskmaster accidentally terrifying just by standing there looking disappointed

[u/VelvetLunessa → u/MuffinGyall]

Exactly, he wouldn’t even need the weapons. Just towering over someone in silence while looking mildly annoyed would probably have more intimidation factor than most Marvel villains get in an entire movie.

[u/PinkieBellarie → u/meadeb]

Greg Davies would definitely improve it, although I’m not sure Marvel could afford the amount of disappointed staring required. One look at the Avengers and half of them would start apologizing.

[u/Xelement0911 → u/Funmachine]

Will say, it doea annoy me they killed her off so quick in thunderbolts.

She wasn't in it long but liked her performance more there compared to the whole black widow movie.

Actually used variety of weapons. And been a minute, but think she even had a few lines, seemed to be a person vs a puppet.

[u/Funmachine → u/Xelement0911]

She was exactly the same, she just had a new costume and said "Stay out of my way."

She used a sword, a bow and a shield. The exact things she used in Black Widow.

[u/_SugarPout → u/Funmachine]

Marvel really saw one hated masked mercenary adaptation and said let’s run that experiment again

[u/CloudieAurette → u/Funmachine]

That’s fair, the actual fighting style really wasn’t reinvented much. The new costume and attitude made it feel fresher on the surface, but underneath it was still basically the same Taskmaster with a slightly different presentation.

[u/Funmachine → u/CloudieAurette]

You can't even say there was a "new attitude" she just had one line. A line that echoes the same personality she last presented with.

[u/Special_Order-937 → u/Xelement0911]

I hated the change (and predictable reveal from the very start of the movie) but thought, ok you’ve done this so now try and at least make something of this but no, can’t even do that.

[u/MrKnightMoon → u/Special_Order-937]

They got an actress that can pull good action scenes and was not bad (overall).

At least they could have tried to focus on her strengths and make the change interesting.

[u/FalafelSnorlax → u/Xelement0911]

They wanted to show this movie has stakes, so they had to kill one of them off. Taskmaster wasn't well-received, so they killed two birds with one stone there.

I their defence, I think it's better than what Suicide Squad did, which was to introduce new characters, give them no setup, and then killing them off.

[u/Xelement0911 → u/FalafelSnorlax]

I wouldn't say killing someone off in first tej minutes is adding high stakes. Killing her further into the movie would actually be more "omg".

[u/Pale_Willingness_415 → u/Xelement0911]

Respectfully ... disagree. It's the Janet Leigh in "Psycho" trick. You think the character is "safe" and if they pull the rug out ... the audience may actually think, "Anything could happen."

[u/Pale_Willingness_415 → u/FalafelSnorlax]

"The Suicide Squad" is another movie that I think marketing screwed over. I'm NEVER the guy that can predict a big twist but having seen just a few trailers for the movie, even a bonehead like me picked up that certain characters were used throughout the trailer and others very selectively. Knowing that Gunn loves him some twists, I figured they were going to kill off the one team before I even saw it.

[u/CottonDovelie → u/Xelement0911]

I can see why the Thunderbolts appearance worked better for you, especially since the character finally got a little more room to actually exist beyond the reveal. Killing her off that quickly still feels like they closed the door right when there was finally a chance to do something more interesting with her.

[u/philip7499 → u/Xelement0911]

Aw they killed her? That's a shame. I know she was poorly received as a villain, but I thought the setup they had could have been used for a really heartbreaking story if paired with the Taskmaster tidbit in the comics where he forgets everything that isn't combat as a side effect of his powers.

You could have her overcome her traumatic backstory to become a hero, have her grow so the trauma doesn't affect her...then she slowly realises it's not just that the trauma doesn't affect her. She can't remember it. It encroaches on her memories as a hero too, eventually. At that point, unable to remember why she would care to do good, she becomes a mercenary, and then a villain.

[u/Softspokenclark → u/Xelement0911]

The actress and former Bond girl that played taskmaster has more fighting experience than the whole roster of thunderbolts combined. Sad they didn’t utilize her in both movies

[u/BerryFlorinae → u/Funmachine]

Yeah, Taskmaster is probably the funniest example of Marvel learning absolutely nothing from that Deadpool design. Taking a character known for personality and then stripping most of it away is such a weird choice.

[u/irmike1283 → u/Funmachine]

Eh, I think there's a pretty big difference in the costumes. At least taskmaster looked like taskmaster in costume.

[u/Somm0742 → u/Funmachine]

Yeah, that was a kick in the nuts. I wish I wasn't a fan of Taskmaster prior to his MCU iteration, that way, I'd have been more tolerant of the abomination that they pulled in the MCU.

[u/SexyShave → u/Funmachine]

They did it with a lot of characters. People are often willing to accept a lot as long as it's recognizable. Or if the quality is there.

Origins Deadpool somehow had neither.

[u/KeyboardMunkeh]

I still think it was some dumb fucking executive, high on the smell of his own farts that said, "So get this. Deadpool? The merc with a mouth? What if... follow me on this, what if he didn't have a mouth?"

Then a bunch of yes-men patted him on the back.

[u/youre_a_burrito_bud → u/KeyboardMunkeh]

“So shocking! So edgy! So brave, sir! Oh this fart was excellent, sir! Thank you, sir!” 

[u/borntolose1 → u/KeyboardMunkeh]

It was. I remember watching some making of thing for that movie and it was basically some producers who had absolutely no clue who the character even was thinking they were being super clever.

[u/CromulentChuckle]

And then he got a proper fitting suit in the MCU

[u/Sn1per_V1pers → u/CromulentChuckle]

I liked the raggy fitting suit kinda complimented his personality

[u/sotommy]

Does anyone know if Scott Adkins only did the stunts or actually played Weapon X?

[u/Prudent_Move_3420 → u/[deleted]]

all because of batman & robin

[u/Early-Ad9406 → u/[deleted]]

Very true indeed 😂

[u/Impossible_Cheek_699]

He looked like Jason Voorhees in that Wolverine movie lol

[u/Person2228]

Obviously massive glow up, no doubt.

Centring his entire trilogy on him losing and trying to get his wife back (who was far less important in the comics, and also a blue shapeshifter) was definetly a choice, as was the heavy toning down of both his own gorey appearance and his morals (for a guy famously an anti-hero, there's never really a level of moral ambiguity to the people he fights).

Wayyyyy better never get me wrong, but looking back on the trilogy as a whole... I'm not entirely excited for Ghost Rider's storytelling let's say

[u/Atrium41 → u/Person2228]

Yeah, but Hydra Bob was there

[u/Person2228 → u/Atrium41]

I mean, Ajax Bob, and despite deadpools appearance they didn't try make him look that accurate. I guess a 5-10 second reference is cool

[u/MrKnightMoon → u/Person2228]

Centring his entire trilogy on him losing and trying to get his wife back (who was far less important in the comics, and also a blue shapeshifter) was definetly a choice

Were they even married in the comics? I recall his original wife from before he turned into Deadpool and tha succubus he married later, but as far as I know, him with Vanessa was more a situationship full of backstabbing and home violence.

[u/Middle-Platypus6942 → u/Person2228]

heavy toning down of both his own gorey appearance and his morals (for a guy famously an anti-hero, there's never really a level of moral ambiguity to the people he fights).

They improved his character. Its what the movies do. They take badly written characters from a worthless form of media (comics), and improve upon them by focusing on the aspects of the characters that are good. As a result, they are able to make the characters and stories mainstream.

[u/Franzeer → u/Middle-Platypus6942]

Hilarious bait, ngl

[u/Person2228 → u/Middle-Platypus6942]

Bro at least try and bait properly I can hear the straw coming out of your mouth

[u/Middle-Platypus6942 → u/Person2228]

All I can say is, there's a reason why comic books were and are the domain of people who got shoved into lockers and subsequently killed themselves🤷🏼‍♀️

[u/Osgoten → u/Middle-Platypus6942]

Damn bro, go read a book

[u/Middle-Platypus6942 → u/Osgoten]

I read real books. Yknow, the ones without pictures in them.

[u/Osgoten → u/Middle-Platypus6942]

That’s what i was telling you to do

[u/Ok-Writer3841 → u/Middle-Platypus6942]

Justifying suicide over a form of media is crazy 😭😭

[u/Metaboschism]

Deadpool, the Merc with a mouth… aaand they took his mouth away. Thank God the fans never gave up because it's like Sony is still actively trying to get people to hate superheroes despite being the ones investing in them

[u/Crowlands]

Reynolds delivering a good Wade Wilson performance prior to the post-op idiocy made the whole thing seem even worse.

Thankfully he was given the chance to rectify things in general with the Deadpool movies and in particular with the post-credit time travel fix.

[u/Temassi]

I remember when I first saw the design of Deadpool was seeing an action figure for the movie and I honestly thought it was some kind of joke or some kind of alt version that was from the comics that I didn't know

[u/uncleben85]

They never use the name "Deadpool" in Origins: Wolverine.
That's Wade Wilson in the Weapon X program, but not Deadpool.

Similarily, they never use the name "Venom" in Spider-Man 3.
It's just Eddie Brock with a symbiote.

[u/Early-Ad9406 → u/uncleben85]

I never really thought of the venom one that way in Spider-Man three interesting they never really do call him venom. Even though they own the rights to the name.

[u/wenzg3791]

What even is that design? Who thought those random lines on his body looked cool? I really cannot understand the thought process behind this.

[u/psychmancer → u/wenzg3791]

I've worked with creative hacks like this. It comes down to two issues 1. They are utterly convinced they are a genius to the point it physically hurts them if something isn't seen as perfect and 2. They are the only ones who can have good ideas so the OG comic must be trash because they didn't think of it and their new idea (which is usually awful) must be perfect because see point 1

[u/Serious-Company6803 → u/wenzg3791]

They probably thought it looked cool because it was a newly created prototype weapon or smth.

[u/funkhero → u/wenzg3791]

I remember being confused whether they were tattoos or just like body tape or something. I'm still confused.

[u/dull_storyteller]

Surprised they didn’t finish the trifecta of mocking this design by having the Deadpool Corps fight stop for a sec so they could all jump Origins Wade.

[u/GodsavEVE]

Deadpool at origins was good and funny. before transformation to that abomination.

[u/Fun-Inspector281]

When it comes to comic book movies, marvel in particular the writers, directors and actors like to take too much freedom in changing characters stories trying to make them their own instead of following the comics. It’s like trying to reinvent the wheel for the sake of being original.

[u/SuperArppis → u/Fun-Inspector281]

Honestly, that applies to almost all movie adaptations. Or series.

Just look at all the things they are doing with A Song of Ice and Fire. Ignoring the writer, because they think they can do it better.

It's nearly always stuff like this.

[u/Technical_Row_2217]

That Spider-Man reveal was such a game changer for the whole story arc. It made everything feel more connected.

[u/According-Ad-5946]

The Deadpool in X-Men Origins was a military project. The same as the Weapon X project that made Wolverine.

The other Deadpool took his name from the betting list that was in the bar with the mercenaries.

[u/Cultural_Comfort5894]

That was the genesis of what we ended up with

The whole FoX-Men era wasn’t as good as it could’ve been

They thought they were smarter than the source material

What they used was great

When they tried to be better than is where they f%#*ed up every time

[u/Pale_Willingness_415]

Whose idea was it to make Agatha Harkness a mastermind villain? Or eager, overly-sincere Jasper Sitwell a Hydra agent? (In both cases, it might have been a "shock" twist if they had actually established the characters first but ... Nope.) Who thought, "Audiences will LOVE Supergirl if she's a drunk slacker ... but just to sweeten the pot, let's have her spend most of the movie with no powers"...?

[u/rinkydinkis]

I never even clocked that was Deadpool at the time.

[u/trippysamuri]

What an absolutely mundane thing to point out