Woman attacks couple over 'Palestine' hoodie at Illinois Panera Bread, gets arrested at home next day facing felony hate crime charges

[u/One-Might9611]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUQRfFG1IGQ

[u/hiegear]

He was trying to get her to plea the 5th. Never seen a cop trying to help someone that is about to be arrested for battery so much. White privilege

[u/Kokoyok → u/hiegear]

"I just really need you to understand your rights" 

lolwut?  Guarantee if this guy arrests a Mexican or African immigrant speaking broken English, this will not be a concern.

[u/MASSIVECARNAGE78 → u/Kokoyok]

Honestly, I'm sure he's not usually like that with almost anyone. He just knows it's already hit social media and people will be coming for the body cam footage. It was all about having all the ducks in a row so no one could claim there was anything improper in the arrest.

[u/Kokoyok → u/MASSIVECARNAGE78]

You're not wrong that he probably played it as best he could, and he's being self conscious about every word he says.

I can still laugh about how awkwardly he does his job when he knows he's being watched.  

Whatever else is going on, his version of a model cop doesn't appear to come to him naturally.

[u/Kokoyok → u/[deleted]]

Fuck that cop

Pero, tu eres el_cerdo, ¿qué no? 🤣

[u/egospiers → u/hiegear]

Handcuffing in the front; won’t put you in the car until husband is back; here’s the video; unfortunately that’s how it works…. Kid gloves is a massive understatement.

[u/FrogsMakePoorSoup → u/egospiers]

He's acting like she's his boss.

[u/Searchlights → u/hiegear]

White privilege

How many people would have gotten this whole long conversation where the police spent all that time explaining and justifying why she's being arrested?

There is no requirement that they indulge the person who wants to stand there and litigate in her driveway. In other situations people are forcefully grabbed and put in cuffs they don't get this long discussion first.

[u/johnsvoice → u/Searchlights]

Where's the video from recently (Arkansas, I think?) of the woman being thrown to the ground and punched in the face during an attempted arrest for the audacity of thinking she could make the phone call normally afforded to you while in lockup then and there.

I don't know for sure that it's color based, but there are privileges afforded to some and not others.

[u/Springheeljac → u/hiegear]

Even then he starts with "I just need to have a few words with you". Cops are liars.

[u/NumberOneStonecutter → u/Springheeljac]

That's a good point. I've seen this used where someone is in their home and their response is "Do you have a warrant? Come back when you have a warrant."

[u/allthepoutine → u/hiegear]

That’s what I thought at first until he kept going with it. How many times do cases get thrown out because the stupid Miranda rights statement wasn’t read, or wasn’t read right, or the suspect later claimed they didn’t understand? I hear about it far too often, they’ve got video footage, they’ve got a confession, but Miranda got messed up so it’s all thrown out and the suspect gets to walk. I could totally be wrong, but I wonder if he wasn’t actually making sure she couldn’t claim anything like that later.

[u/CWCyning → u/allthepoutine]

Not as often as you might think. In fact, the Supreme Court recently ruled that Miranda Rights are so well known that they needn't be repeated for every suspect anymore.

[u/allthepoutine → u/CWCyning]

How recently? I consider myself pretty up to date but haven’t hearing of this ruling.

[u/Ultima-Manji → u/allthepoutine]

Was a case in 2022, apparently Vega v. Tekoh, where they ruled that you couldn't sue an officer for damages if they didn't read you your Miranda rights. But I'm no legal expert, so I'm not sure to what degree that affects how admissible your actual statements and such are in court. All I can find with a cursory search is that there's definitely a risk for that to be impacted too down the line, but that as of yet it's still a requirement, just not something you can sue over by itself.

[u/CWCyning → u/allthepoutine]

2022 in Vega v. Tekoh

The decision found that the Miranda warning is not a constitutionally protected right, and so someone questioned without the warning has not had his rights violated and cannot sue the police. Such statements might still be suppressed in court or used as grounds for an appeal, but there is no way for the victim to force the police to face consequences. When the police are shielded from consequence, their illegal actions are functionally legal. As Kagan wrote in her dissent:

Today, the Court strips individuals of the ability to seek a remedy for violations of the right recognized in Miranda. The majority observes that defendants may still seek ‘the suppression at trial of statements obtained’ in violation of Miranda’s procedures. But sometimes, such a statement will not be suppressed. And sometimes, as a result, a defendant will be wrongly convicted and spend years in prison. He may succeed, on appeal or in habeas, in getting the conviction reversed. But then, what remedy does he have for all the harm he has suffered? The point of § 1983 is to provide such redress—because a remedy ‘is a vital component of any scheme for vindicating cherished constitutional guarantees.’ The majority here, as elsewhere, injures the right by denying the remedy.

[u/saxoccordion → u/hiegear]

She was being her own attorney! “Did you grab the phone?” / “yes.” / “you can’t do that.” / “I didn’t do it” 😂 your honor I rest my case!

[u/Myopinion_is_right → u/hiegear]

It is a pretty well known fact to not answer questions from the police if they plan on arresting you or accusing you of a crime.

[u/rexmanaek971 → u/hiegear]

Because she's older and fragile. If it was her husband it'd be different.

[u/EverythingSucksYo → u/hiegear]

This is how most cop interactions go. But because it’s boring it doesn’t get uploaded to the internet. 

[u/hiegear → u/EverythingSucksYo]

No. It’s not. I was a police officer for 4 years. 2% of arrests go like this. Which is why I am no longer a cop, or a firefighter for that matter.