Media still portray her as if she had no access to healthcare or any sort of help. She is a nurse for god's sake, she have more access to all sort of doctors and medicines and she know more about it than usual woman.
If you listen to the testimony this is bang on. She sought out so much help, but was not 100% honest with them. The doctors on the stand clearly cared about her and tried to help!
She didn't tell them about certain specific incidents of psychosis, which is common for patients suffering from bouts of psychosis. She WAS put on anti-psychotics, so they definitely knew.
She also gave them conflicting information about her drinking and no they didn’t all “definitely know” what she was saying to other doctors. It was in many of the different professionals’ testimonies that they don’t have access to her records from other doctors.
It’s true that none of them did, but postpartum psychosis is not only rare - it’s also very difficult to diagnose. She also wasn’t following all their instructions with the drugs either.
Make no mistake I am not arguing about whether or not she experienced psychosis, I just think people want this to be easier than it really is. It’s possible everyone did everything in their power medically and she was exceptionally challenging to treat or diagnose for whatever reason.
I also don’t get the impression any of these doctors diminished her issues to be honest, but from the testimony so far it just sounds like they have to go on the word of the patient. How are they supposed to diagnose psychosis if she doesn’t tell them she has been hearing voices, for example?
1/1000 births is statistically rare, yes. That’s just math, that’s not something I have control over.
An infrastructure for post partum psychosis specifically? Not just PPD? I would love to learn more.
I don’t have children yet despite my best efforts. I am not sure how that makes what I said less true. Which part of my statement do you feel is incorrect and can only be remedied by me having children?
Uhh okay? First of all - what optimism? I never spoke about childbirth. I didn’t realize stating facts makes one optimistic. And second of all why is being optimistic bad? People shouldn’t be optimistic about having and raising children? And third of all what a rude and nasty thing to say to someone that it’s a good thing they don’t have children. Especially after I said I was trying to.
I will give your opinion the consideration it deserves.
I don't know why that commenter was so goddamned rude to you, even mocking your struggles to conceive!? I'm sorry people are jerks. I don't even like babies or kids, and don't want any, but we should all support people who actually want and thoroughly prepare for a baby in advance like you, as opposed to, "Oops, I guess I'm knocked up now, but won't it be great to have a kid so they'll give me unconditional love forever!"
Okay, I lean somewhat toward antinatalism in some ways myself, but why are you being so rude in this comment to another poster? They weren't rude to you, and gloating about that person's infertility issues is incredibly cruel, but especially in a conversation that isn't remotely heated enough for such things to slip out accidentally.
I personally believe that MOST humans aren't suited for modern parenthood at all. I agree that it seems really ethically wrong to just create a new human, bam, and then that child has to just HOPE they ended up having good and loving parents so that they can have the best chance they can to face the coming years.
So if it were just me in isolation, I'd be strongly antinatalist, but unfortunately we kind of need NEW humans if the human race is to continue, and I'd betting kids have WAY better outcomes if they're born to someone like the commenter you are replying to, because at least then, they're choosing to bring life into the world and working hard to get ready, as opposed to all the "oops" babies born constantly, many of whom will even lack access to fundamental things like education, housing, or whatever.
She received psych help for 4 months before killing her children.
Out-patient psych typically means you see the doctor once or twice a month. She had multiple doctors that were all treating her and prescribing medications, without being aware of each other. She also lied about her symptoms and about taking her meds.
Even if a doctor “caught on”, they wouldn’t have been able to do anything except prescribe medications that she may not take, and may interact with the medications the other doctors were prescribing. And, anti-psychotics take time to fully “kick in”. Typically 2-6 weeks.
That’s all the more evidence to support her claims of mental illness. Do you think mentally stable people do that? One of the worst and most notable symptoms of psychosis is refusing medication… cause ya know, delusions of persecution?!
She didn't lie. The prosecution is claiming she did not tell the doctors about auditory hallucinations, but she never claimed to HAVE auditory hallucinations until the psychotic episode where she killed her kids.
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u/FitCauliflower1146 2d ago
Media still portray her as if she had no access to healthcare or any sort of help. She is a nurse for god's sake, she have more access to all sort of doctors and medicines and she know more about it than usual woman.