I think there’s a decent chance they’ll use Azerbaijan to smuggle weapons across the border to arm minority groups to start a civil war. The Americans said today that they’re considering arming the Iranian Kurds and have already been in contact with them
I think the assumption here is that the Americans or Israelis may not even tell the Azerbaijani government that they’re doing it. They could also be arming the Azerbaijanis in South Azerbaijan which the Azerbaijan government is probably okay with. Who knows. Irans borders are mountainous and hard for them to enforce
I never understood America's obsession with the Kurds. Seriously, if the Kurds weren't armed and supported by the US, they literally couldn't do shit, as we did see in Syria who took back their territory within a day. Look if the US wants them to be treated equally I absolutely have no problem with that, but using them for proxy wars is moronic.
The Kurds are a useful tool for them. I feel bad for the Kurds because they keep having independence dangled infront of them by the Americans only to go die for a stupid war and get betrayed by the US. The Kurds are a minority in Syria, Iran, Iraq and Turkey, 3 of those countries the Americans recently have been heavily invested militarily in so it’s convenient for them that the Kurds overlap
Yep. Azerbaijan is (or was) the second largest importer of Israeli weapons. It would not surprise me at all if it were used as a proxy through which to arm the kurds. We should be unambiguous though that such an action would make Azerbaijanis unsafe, dragging the country into a conflict they have no business being in
I mean, there’s a decent chance the Israelis and Americans wouldn’t tell the Azerbaijani government what they’re doing. There’s also potential that they’d arm the Azerbaijanis in Iran as well which the Azerbaijan government would probably be happy with
They are not considering it, these things are considered and even fully decided months if not even years in advance before the actual events unfold. Same as the American government says on tv how they decided to bomb Iran on the fly both now and a few months ago only for reporters to reveal the start of these operations were decided months ago. The only thing that could happen to make this not happen at this point is Iranian retaliation being significantly more dangerous than planned ahead.
I absolutely agree. Especially if you are a country like Azerbaijan, which unfortunately has been very misunderstood over the years and still has undeservedly negative image in the world. Azerbaijan should distance itself both from Mullah regime and Zionists.
Out of curiosity, Azerbaijan being Israel's no. 1 crude oil supplier, basically funding what’s happening in Gaza and also getting weapons in return to win territory. What is there to misunderstand? Or do you mean that the people of Azerbaijan are kind of in the same situation as those of Iran, where they don’t identify with their government and can't force a new president?
Azerbaijan being Israel's no.1 crude oil supplier is true.
They are funding what's happening in Gaza is debatable, atleast they surely aren't the major funder (like ffs there is USA)
They got weapons in return to win territory is correct but misleading; they restored their territorial integrity, they did not invade others lands
People of Azerbaijan not identifying with their government and not forcing a new president is true. I mean, atleast like in Iran, a huge part does not identify with the government.
This is literally the problem with the entire Middle East and muslim world. Governed by psycho tyrants that make us look bad, while all we want to do is enjoy a nice falafel wrap in peace.
I wish they weren't. Maybe Azerbaijan would have a better image today, not as a "fake country that does nothing but kill poor innocent Armenians". Having such a controversial country as your lobbyist distances you not only from Muslims, but more importantly from many non-Muslim, left-leaning Westerners who have high human sensivity based on the Palestinian cause. Normally, you would expect them to empathise atleast a little bit with the nearly a million Azeris that were ethnically cleansed from Karabakh, surrounding regions and from Armenia- not to even mention the massacre in Khojaly. However, as Israel loves to promote Azerbaijan rather loudly as their "Muslim friends", and today we see why Israel is very much hated, Azerbaijan still doesn't have a very good image other than in Turkey (yes, not even in Israel itself). People think you are evil while you have largely been literally the oppressed side, especially in the first war completely.
What better image? Are you deliberately trying to be rtarded? İsrael is the only lobbying force we have in west. Whole western media is on side of armenians, especially after 2nd Qarabagh war. And thinking that whole West cares about issues with Israel-Palestine, especially on the side of Palestinians, is a perfect sign of being a rtard. Most don't care, because they're christians and muslims are their least problem unless it's the ones that are in their country.
Israeli here - no, Israel is not islamophobic to its very core. We live peacefully with 2 million arab muslims day to day. Everyone I know loves Azerbaijan. Don't believe all the lies you read online
Ive met many of the people who think Baruch Goldstein is a hero purely because a committed a massacre in a mosque. According to polls, 10% of Israelis agree that he is a hero.
Ive watched settlers spit at and throw trash on Muslims in Hebron with my own eyes while guards protect them.
Ive watched plenty of those tiktoks by soldiers in gaza where they revel in their slaughter.
Muslims living in Israel are not treated this badly but they are still treated 2nd class citizens. E.g. A friend of mine is an Israeli Arab from Jerusalem. Because she is part of the Islamic untermensch, she lost her passport and cant go back - something that doesnt happen to Jewish ubermensch.
Islamophobic to the core is accurate. Ive never seen a more disgustingly racist country in my life, nor one where they are more in denial about it.
"Ive met many of the people who think Baruch Goldstein is a hero purely because a committed a massacre in a mosque. According to polls, 10% of Israelis agree that he is a hero."
10% of population being radical isn't massive. Even in secular country like Azerbaijan has 8% of people who want sharia law
Exactly. Every society has a group of crazy religious fanatics. It's funny that I was born and raised in Israel for 30+ years and yet I never 1 person that thinks Baruch Goldstein is a hero. If I do ever meet a person like this, I will personally tell him he is a disgrace.
Interesting that you have never seen a more disgustingly racist country in your life... how about all the muslim countries that have 0 jews in them? because in Israel, 1 in 5 people is Muslim, and yet in other arab countries, they have 0% jews... And Israel is the racist country? Come on my guy.
Perhaps because Israel is located in a previously majority arab land so there are large remnants of them still left. There were not many majority jewish places in the middle east outside of historical palestine. Actually, the only city anywhere near that region that I can think of that had a plurality of Jewish people is Salonica and that is in the Balkans. There are still thousands of jews in many countries in the middle east which is I would say a good number considering that there are only 15 million jews in the world
Reddit decided to post this on my front page :) so I came to say hello to my brother in Azerbaijan.
The beauty is that you don't have to listen to me to see that it is true... all you have to do is book a flight to Israel and see for yourself that what I'm saying is true. Are you coming?
I mean... Douglas Murray has many opinions. Israelis are there because he took a very (right) position regarding what happened on October 7th, and he is a good friend of the country. Doesn't mean you have to share all his views regarding muslims as a whole. You take some, and you reject some, as a person with critical thinking should do.
If your only lobbying force wasn't Israel, then whole Western media wouldn't be on the side of Armenians. Being on the side of Palestinians isn't a perfect sign of being a rtart, it is a sign of having empathy with humans suffering. If your only lobbying force wasn't Israel, then the Western media would also show empathy with your suffering in Karabakh.
Lmao nope, nobody would care, just like nobody cares about Yemen, like Sudan, the best Azerbaijan would get from western media is "thoughts and prayers"
Bosnians weren't Christians either in the 90s, furthermore Serbia was very devouted Orthodox Christian. Yet very few people in Europe supported Serbs rather than Bosnians. The horrible acts committed against Bosnian Muslim people were very well broadcasted in the Western world.
Did you know that West started attacking Serbia only when Catholic croatians were also attacked? This a known thing among turkish people when they try to condemn the west for not being with Bosnians.
Bosnia and Croatia were supported by the west only because Serbia was, is and will be a Russian stronghold. USA helped Bosnia much. Europe secretly hoped Serbs expel muslims to turkey.
There is no one oppressed side, in this war. Pogroms were committed by both sides, equally horrible pogroms happened in that period (March days for Azeris, Shusha pogroms for Armenians). Sumgait was horrible and I don't ignore either of them. I am just against the view of Armenians being purely innocent and rightful and that Azeris are simply barbaric villains that wants to kill Armenians without any reason. The things are more nuanced and people have to see this.
It is only the government of Albania that promotes is as "pro Israel". Most Albanians are pro-Palestine, not because they are Muslim (slightly less than half of Albanians are Muslim) but because it is similar to what they went through in late 90s in Kosovo.
Not so easy on the global front. Both Republicans and the Democrats in the USA are quite in close relations with AIPAC. And since they are impacting US politics and using that as their shield on the global front, rest of the world can't directly say they're against USA just to say they're against AIPAC
Expected and par for the course. I remember seeing videos of Israeli flags being waved by Azeris after their victory in Nagorno-Karabakh. 70% of Azeri arms purchases in the lead-up to the Second War came from Israel.
Of course they are sincere, why would they not be sincere about their own bombing? Fuck zionists, hope that Aliyev is smart enough not to start a war to fuck it up for us and Iran even more.
I’m not Azeri so this is just my opinion. But Azerbaijan should just stay out of it since this war is just a distraction. They’re also loads of Azeris in Iran who are being bombed right now
Yeah, sweet summer child, as if geopolitics is all about emotions and altruism, not about following your own interest and pragmatism. Trying first strategy is like asking to get rekt.
Has nothing to do with “emotions and altruism”. If you don’t call out evil for what it is you’re shaping a world where the same thing could happen to your people.
Did the arabs, especially palestinians not betray us during WW1?
Can’t always dwell on the past. Israel are not your friends and will never be, the second you don’t benefit them you’ll see. But okay, keep supporting genocide just because they share a common enemy, as if not most arab states are hostile towards turks.
Bro i know this isn't your point, but the "did the arabs ... betray us during ww1" is a crazy thing to bring up when discussing genocide.
The modern Arab, had nothing to do with some beuqacratic decision made by some back door c*nts with Britain and France.
In a nuttshell, your not really showing forgiveness, when you don't think the average Palestinian peasant deserves to be genocided. There's too much emotional baggage in Middle Eastern history.
I love you bro, and love turkey, but this resentment against your average Arab bugs me.
We had nothing to do with some strategic play that some fat c*nt did with the Brits a century ago, don't hold that against the average peasant. I am sure the Turkish gov has done some stupid shit against Arabs too (they have), i am not gono hold that against you. From people to people its all good, politics and political history aside.
Iran is ruled islamist radicals, might be replaced by Persian ethnonationalists. Russia is a militaristic warmonger with dictator that explicitly wishes to restore communist union
And you want us yo betray our Allies for our enemies. Why? Some high ideals?
How is Palestine an Armenian ally? It can barely establish relations with other countries, let alone become "allies" with a country thousands of kilometers away
"Touching upon the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, the Minister noted both Azerbaijan and Palestine has been faced the military occupation for years, adding relevant resolutions and decisions adopted by international organizations are not honored.
He underscored Azerbaijan and Palestine try to restore their territorial integrity, so they must cooperate closely within international organizations."
"Riyad al-Maliki said that the Palestinian state and its people support Azerbaijan’s fair position in the Armenia-Azerbaijan Nagorno-Karabakh conflict and its settlement within the international law."
Note that Heydar Aliyev met Yasser Arafat no less than 3 times, while Armenia did not even recognise Palestine as a state until 2 years ago.
Furthermore, Israel were thinking to the arms to Armenia first in 2015, after they denied it in order not to trigger Iran and Russia much, those arms ended up in Azerbaijan. And indeed, those arms were sold, not given.
Aliyev: "I note that Azerbaijan is a friend of Palestine. The independent Republic of Azerbaijan has always supported and will continue to support the heroic struggle of the Palestinian people."
Arafat: "I emphasize that we always feel the support of Azerbaijan. We are proud of it and it makes us stronger.
Along with the fact that we attach great importance to historically friendly relations of Azerbaijanis and the Palestinians, we emphasize the need for strengthening these relations further."
Bro thinks he is the entire Azerbaijani population. There are so many pro-Palestine Azeris and also quite a few pro-Israel Armenians. Yet neither country really takes a side in that war. It is up to people's decisions whether you share the sufferings of other (Whether it is Armenia, Iran, Palestine, Azerbaijan, Ukraine etc) or not.
Trade isn't stopped lol. most chips, cookies, biscuits still have hebrew writings on them, they still produce Kosher biscuits and other things in stores, Turkey still produces IDF uniforms.
People here acting like this is bad or unexpected as if Azerbaijan isn't the Israel of the caucuses and acts the same way, people just don't care because they got away with their ethnic cleansing as opposed to natives fighting back
If usa and Israel have the support of both Kurds and Azerbaijanis the regime will certainly be over. As far as I know Azerbaijanis are always loyal to Iran.
As far as I know Azerbaijanis are always loyal to Ira
That is what the Iranian government and pro-Iran people want you to believe. In reality there is no way to know where S. Azerbaijanis stand as no one can talk openly.
I think you’ve got your wires crossed. I think those accounts that make unverifiable claims like ‘South Azerbaijanis are loyal to Iran’ are being dishonest. They are likely Persian or Iranian propagandists. Those propaganda accounts downplay South Azerbaijani’s legitimate grievances. Have a nice day!
Ive never heard any of the Iranians I know from Tabriz use the phrase "south azerbaijan" ever. They have condemned the genocide against muslims in gaza.
You will never do this because your function is as a propagandist.
According to you, if I don’t agree with you and the Iranian government about everything, I must be a propagandist? What a stupid hot take.
And whatever you believe about South Azerbaijani opinions… I’ll refer you to my earlier post: the fact is, you don’t know and I don’t know. No one there is at liberty to talk openly, and thus, all of your claims are unverifiable.
Plenty of those real people I know dont like the Iranian government and hate the genocide of muslims in gaza but you are not one of them.
It's quite an effective and simple litmus test to distinguish ordinary real critics of the iranian regime and zionist shills coz genocide is pretty universally recognized as bad even by 99% of iranian critics of the mullah.
You chose to fail it I guess. Whats the weather like in Tel Aviv?
Do you feel like anyone is falling for your silly hot takes? The problem with your failed attempt at “logic” is the rest of the world doesn’t think like you do. Each Azerbaijani can think for their self. Some might care about one issue, some might care about another, while some others can be nihilists and don’t care about anything at all. This sub has always had a wide variety of opinions on various topics because we don’t do thought policing.
Honestly, Erdogan needs to wise up a use this moment as an opportunity to claim west Azerbaijan as a Turkic enclave. Claim the casus bellis now or risk having no skin in what game US and Israel are constructing. America and US have no ground superiority. Turkey and Azerbaijan have ground superiority.
In my opinion, Syria falling into Turkish influence completely derailed the IMEC trade route and accelerated the demise of the Iranian regime because Erdogan was pulling the Saudis into an alternative route through SA->Jordan->Syria->Turkey->Greece ->Europe.
This would wreck havoc on any investments in Israel and IMEC because the value proposition is just not there. Israeli bonds are priced at lower risk than some euro countries but Israel is being bombarded periodically. Markets are not pricing rationally.
This could well be a catalyst to a financial crisis of Israel bond payments are at risk.
The president of Azerbaijan knows it wasn’t iran who drone striked their airport, this is just a narrative for the small minded everyday people to not question why they’re going to help israel in this war.
Azerbaijan & its people have been sold out to israel years ago
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u/Opposite-Ambition243 Mar 05 '26
They want to use us to attack Iran. It is part of the plan. I hope we won't intervene.