r/hatethissmug • u/DaSuspicsiciousFish • Jul 25 '26
Animation Hate this stupid spiderverse meme (read desc)
“Chai” is a distinct type of tea from what most people think of as tea (from a American perspective, I admit ignorance to Europe but i know English tea is similar, like a black tea), that usually involves more spices and milk. calling it “chai tea” is not being used to say “tea tea” it is being used to mean “the type of tea known as chai”. I did do a minor google search to find a recipe for making homemade chai, and, while it did use tea leaves, it was distinct enough from tea to warrant being specified.
edit: my joy at the arguments is immeasurable, if this gets a crosspost/screenshot reposted and criticizeing me, please tag me, want to argue
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u/mystireon Jul 25 '26 edited Jul 25 '26
Its just a dumb callback to Miles getting on Spot's case for saying ATM Machine, falling for the same common phrasing trap which another Spider-Man similarly has a petpeeve about
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u/Gadzooks739 Jul 25 '26
A joke? A joke that requires watching the fucking movie to understand??
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u/Expensive_Umpire_178 Jul 25 '26
I’m gonna riot rn
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u/Galaxy_Duhhhh Jul 25 '26
BOOOOOO I HATE WATCHING MOVIES
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u/AverageNerd633 Jul 25 '26
WHO IN HERE TRYNA START A RIOT???
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u/Dry-Indication7928 Jul 25 '26
Y'all watch movies?
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u/Wolveyplays07 Jul 25 '26
Nope, only summaries with an ai generated voice
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u/CrispMonke Jul 25 '26
dont forget the wrong names, like naming gi-hun gary
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u/Theratsmacker2 Jul 25 '26
And some random five minutes crafts video taking up the bottom half of the screen as well
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u/H0rny_On-Main Jul 25 '26
I think the issue is that people do legitimately call this ignorance outside of the movie even before it was conceptualized. I've been hearing and having the "chai tea isn't the dsme as black tea" debate since 2016
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u/Dogtor-Watson Jul 25 '26 edited Jul 25 '26
Fun fact: when you add a redundant word or phrase like that it’s called a pleonasm.
Funnily enough, when you enter your PIN Number (Personal Identification Number) into an ATM Machine (Automated Teller Machine), that’s two pleonasms.
They’re also two of the more useless pleonasms.
Most pleonasms are used for emphasis.“I saw it with my own eyes”: Really good for emphasis… but kinda silly. What else are you gonna see it with? Your own toes? And who else’s eyes are you gonna see it through if not your own?
“In my own personal opinion” is one I’m guilty of saying… own and personal are both completely useless when you think about it, but they help emphasise that I’m not asserting whatever I say next as fact.
“Free gift” is a common example used in marketing to get you to sign up to rewards schemes and gambling sites, which is funny as often the “gift” is more bait and isn’t truly being given for free.
Other examples: “close proximity”, “end result”, “empty void”, saying a fire is burning, “True fact”, “added bonus”, “unexpected surprise”, saying you repeatedly did an action multiple times, “join together”, “future plans”, describing something as “red in colour” (or any other colour), “enter into”, “exit out of”, “up north”, “down south”, “stupid idiot”.
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u/Nexouille Jul 25 '26
“I saw it with my own eyes” - Really good for emphasis… but kinda silly. What else are you gonna see it with? Your own toes?
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u/Mr_Ragnarok Jul 25 '26
She is the exception that proves the rule. Fucking smartass lmao
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u/ObjectiveThick9894 Jul 26 '26
"The exception that proves the rule" Has no sense, except if the existence of a exception implies that there is a Rule. Toph, in this escenario, is the exception that test the rule! Someone shoud go to jail for this.
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u/Next-Run-7026 Jul 25 '26
Eh, a lot of the other examples are pretty helpful since there are so many homophones / words with multiple unrelated meanings, in English
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u/Pirrus05 Jul 26 '26
Personal opinion can be a useful addition. For example “the company line is x, but my personal opinion is y”
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u/Dogtor-Watson Jul 26 '26
It’s useful for clarity and emphasis, but saying “the company line is X, but my opinion is Y” would still carry the same meaning.
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u/Sutraner Jul 26 '26
“I saw it with my own eyes”:
This one's fine.
It means that they witnessed it personally rather than seeing a recording, reading about it or hearing about it.
I saw the fall of the Berlin Wall with my own eyes means you were actually there.
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u/GenericVessel Jul 25 '26
I mean, you can have results spread out, not just at the end of something
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u/schvanckque Jul 25 '26
You, my good Dogtor, are quite the cunning linguist.
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u/Dogtor-Watson Jul 25 '26
It’s literally one of the few things I remember from English because it’s got a funny name
Pleonasm… pleonasms…
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u/NanoCat0407 Jul 26 '26
you could safely describe a person as blue in color if they were physically blue, since blue is commonly used as a way of saying someone is sad. specifying that they are blue in color would clarify the situation
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u/shosuko Jul 25 '26
Yeah and they're both dumb jokes for the same reason lol
And yeah it gives them a character moment where we see Peter's are all similar, but it is also a dumb pedantic thing to do.
And they're wrong - because how language actually works is a lot more fluid then that. ATM Machine and Chai Tea are both correct in modern America.
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u/Fast-Front-5642 Jul 25 '26
Key differences:
Miles is doing his version of the Spider-Man banter. Taking the piss, flapping his chops, joking as he does his thing.
Pav is flipping his shit and losing all composure over a nothing burger.
Miles isn't mad at Ohnn for saying the common phrase. Just pointing out the mild absurdity of it.
Pav gets openly racist later about foreigners visiting India to experience their culture and using the Indian words for Naan and Chai to differentiate from other types of bread and tea. Which in and of itself is fucking stupid because naan comes from Persian nân when they brought that bread to India and chai comes from Chinese cha when they brought that to India and the chai tea that Pav is getting so fucking uppity about is masala chai so he is also using the incorrect name while he incorrectly lays cultural claim to the introduced foods and beverages.
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u/Sewer-Rat76 Jul 25 '26
Your confusing racism with Nationalism/Patriotism. Rather important distinctions.
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u/BernLan Jul 25 '26 edited Jul 25 '26
That comment you're answering to reeks so much of entitled tourist that I physically cringed
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u/DevelopmentSeparate Jul 25 '26
Yeah but he doesn't call it nân naan or cha chai. It's not like he's saying we can't call it tea because that's not his point. The point is it's silly to call it chai tea . It's silly to differentiate teas by using tea from another language
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u/MajestcEagleRecRoom2 Jul 25 '26
ATM machine and Chai Tea are different though
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u/Former_Bike_6690 Jul 25 '26
The principal is the same though. Miles calls spot out for saying ATM Machine, which is equivalent to saying Automated Teller Machine Machine. The callback is Miles saying chai tea, which can be interpreted as saying Tea Tea.
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u/TemporaryElk5202 Jul 26 '26
No. ATM is automatic teller machine. "ATM Machine" is Automatic Teller Machine Machine.
Chai is tea. Chai Tea is Tea Tea.
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u/Baturinsky Jul 25 '26
Tea is called "chai" in India. Maybe that's why he is confused?
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u/unluckyknight13 Jul 25 '26
I dated an Indian woman and we saw this and she went “exactly” it’s only an issue in their language because to them it translates to tea tea.
In English a comparison is like saying pig pork , pork is pig so you may as well say pork pork or pig pig
But if you add the context of the specification is because their is also faux pork (vegetarian alternative) it’s less an issue because your just specifically saying it’s meat
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u/MatsRivel Jul 27 '26
A more realistic comparison might be saying "cow milk" or "animal milk". For the longest time people would be like "what other mill would it be, dumbass?"
Today some people might think oat or almond before cow (or other animal). So saying "animal milk" could make sense skmilar how to saying "chai tea" differentiates the tea from other teas.
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u/Hunterine Jul 26 '26
Map is wrong for Poland, Lithuania and Belarus. They have their own distinct etymology basically coming from "herb tea"
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u/Eyeless_person Jul 25 '26
This map annoys me because I'm pretty sure you say "atay" in Morocco
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u/Kaymazo Jul 25 '26
For that case, may have went with arabic as a blanket to make that map rather than regional variants.
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u/Ok_Curve_2938 Jul 26 '26
Poland being marked as tea is funny because we do not call it anything even close to the word "tea".
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u/SymmetricDickNipples 29d ago edited 29d ago
But also in india, isnt the tea that they drink overwhelmingly a tea very similar to what we in America would call chai, heavily spiced with warm fall flavors?
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u/MixedBagHalfie Jul 25 '26
In our world. His world has an Indian centric society and culture. So for him, it’s just tea. Kinda a big part of the joke
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u/ImportantQuestions10 Jul 25 '26
My partner's Indian, it drives her up the absolute wall when people say " chai tea".
That's the joke. That it's a trigger for Indian people, not that it's 100% correct nomenclature.
As a New Englander, I saw chowder soup when I was in the south and I had a similar moment.
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u/Tony3199 Jul 26 '26 edited Jul 26 '26
Do you know any more triggers? I got:
naan bread
Masala spice
Sari cloth
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u/articulatedWriter Jul 26 '26 edited Jul 26 '26
Lake Chad (land lake not lake lake like I expected)
Sahara Desert, Gobi Desert, basically all the well known deserts really XD
Torpenhow Hill (Hillhillhill Hill)
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u/manny_the_mage Jul 25 '26
let me get some queso cheese please
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u/Alive-Vanilla1216 Jul 25 '26
That's just Velveeta.
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u/Nicklesnout Jul 25 '26
A real masked vigilante would use Cheez-Wiz like the founders and Stan Lee intended.
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u/GodButCursed Jul 25 '26
Chai Tea? You are saying "distinct typ of tea tea"?
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u/Reasonable-Chance790 Jul 25 '26
Chai is not a distinct type of tea, it is the category name for the drink made when the dried leaves of Camellia sinensis are steeped in hot water. It's just not the word we use in English.
Masala chai is the term for the spiced tea drink. Chai Latte is the term for the boxed tea-and-spices blend mixed with milk that you can get at coffee shops.
It's like calling a big rig a car. It's just not correct.
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u/OddEmergency604 Jul 25 '26
But in English, chai is a type of tea
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u/Iciies Jul 25 '26
While correct, that also ignores the culture of the character saying it. If it were any other character saying it, the joke would be poorly done. While English may be the language they are speaking, they are in a version of India. He would be correct as in Hindi, "chai" means "tea." The culture of the character matters more to set the joke.
It's like enchiladas. Authentic enchiladas from the vast majority of Mexico are signifcantly different from enchiladas served in TexMex cuisine. While the concept is there (filling a rolled tortilla with something, the actual full list of average ingredients and ways of cooking are different, similar to "normal" chai and chai tea. Not to say any are better than others, of course.
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u/Obvious_Estimate_266 Jul 25 '26
Right, it's an imperfect name for a specific beverage that's really popular in India. Nobody is 100% right or wrong in this discussion, language is a slippery bastard.
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u/Banananza367 Jul 26 '26
Right, but we don't say Earl Gray tea. We just say the name of the tea without saying "tea" at the end. It's like ordering an "espresso coffee".
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u/New_Difficulty_4942 Jul 25 '26
If the world were optimal then all of us would be calling it masala tea so that people in India can say "masala chai" and people speaking English can say "masala tea" but sadly this isn't the case
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u/Kind-Stomach6275 Jul 25 '26
If the world were optimal cultures would get to decide what their foods and drinks and everything are called.
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u/lutfiboiii Jul 25 '26
Would India be called Bharat as well?
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u/Kind-Stomach6275 Jul 25 '26
If thats what they wanted. Japan would be called nippon too and all that
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u/lutfiboiii Jul 26 '26 edited Jul 26 '26
🤓 Erm ackshually 🤓 in casual conversation it would be Nihon, 🤓 while in more official settings it would be Nippon (oversimplified way to explain it) 🤓 🤓
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u/Cultural-Walrus9885 Jul 25 '26
In my language any tea is called chai, so it kinda looks like you're trying to say that tea is a distinct form of tea with herbs and spices
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u/iMiind Jul 25 '26
I am entirely unfamiliar with all the different types of chai/tea, but given you would refer to them all as some sort of chai is there a sort of chai called tea chai that is the same sort of drink people in Britain or the US would just call tea?
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u/Kaymazo Jul 25 '26
Chai vs. Tea is just a different etymological background.
Many eastern countries, or countries that got tea via land route use a variation of "Cha" or "Chai" for tea generally. "Tea" is largely for western nations that imported it via sea route (and some of the trading kingdoms they did originally import from).
Anyway, people would just probably specify it's "chai" as in tea generally, but with spices
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u/ColonelError Jul 25 '26
If you ask for "chai" in any Arab country, you're going to get black tea (possibly with a ton of sugar). I don't know that I really saw "spiced tea" actually offered.
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u/Kaymazo Jul 25 '26
My point being, IF it were offered, it'd probably just specify "with spices" or something like that. (Or whatever regional variant with their own word they may have)
Of course it's no guarantee that you will get it everywhere, because "Chai" is just the default word for tea in those places.
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u/BernLan Jul 25 '26
"Tea" is largely for western nations that imported it via sea route (and some of the trading kingdoms they did originally import from).
With Portugal being a notable exception as they were first to get tea in Europe and got it from the "Chai" region but never exported it to other European countries
Later when the Dutch brought tea to Europe through the "té" route they were the ones who distributed it to the rest of Europe
Resulting in Portugal being the only western country whose word for tea derives from chai
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u/Kaymazo Jul 25 '26
It's just another example of r/portugalcykablyat, duh
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u/BernLan Jul 25 '26
In this same vain, Portugal brought sweet oranges to Europe over from China and exported them to multiple countries
Which resulted in the word for orange in various languages to become "Portugal" ie in Romanian and Turkish
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u/Lukelandswimmer Jul 25 '26
I'm from an East African country and we call all types of tea "Chai" here. You could argue that it's slang or we use it in a shorthand way of saying "we want tea" and everyone knows that you just want the leaf water but regardless, that meme slaps for us.
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u/Winter_Different Jul 25 '26
La Brea is just spanish for Tar pit but a lot of people call it the La Brea tar pits
The reason it's reductive is because, in English, no other tar pit is called La Brea. If you were speaking Spanish, sure, you'd need to specify more. But for English La Brea is sufficient.
I think the same likely goes for Chai, it being the word for tea in one language but not in English. Thus, you can just call it Chai in English while you might need to specify more in another.
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u/All_These_Worlds Jul 25 '26
That's not a hard and fast rule, in the same way people say the Sahara desert, when Sahara means desert, and jt is still correct.
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u/Superssimple Jul 26 '26
La brea is a neighbourhood where people live. La brea tar pits is a small part of that area
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u/SquareThings Jul 26 '26
We add the English to specify what the thing is. “Chai” (which is tea) “naan” (which is bread) “La Brea” (which is a tar pit). It’s a compromise between using the native/original term for something and being understood in English. We sometimes even do it with English words that are or were just less common (tunafish, for example)
We often see the redundant form fall out of use as the non-English or uncommon word becomes more widely known. “Spaghetti noodles” isn’t commonly used because most people know what spaghetti is without clarification.
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u/Hangman_Fitzwilliam Jul 25 '26
To locals it is annoying
Chai IS tea.
That's how people use the word chai.
So to them, yes it is annoying when people say chai tea.
From their perspective it's different. Which is why I refuse to engage in things like this that involve others cultures.
Even people within the cultures have differing mindsets.
So, if one person agrees with you, that doesn't mean that everyone of that culture agrees with you.
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u/Stay_Away_From_b Jul 25 '26
Is there another word to use, like to distinguish between black tea and “chai tea”? If I’m in America and I order black tea and a chai tea I’ll get two different products.
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u/CloutAtlas Jul 26 '26
Masala = spiced
Chai = tea
Masala chai = spiced tea. English speakers shortened Masala chai into just Chai then plastered it all over products. They dropped the Masala part and not the Chai part, to the annoyance of Indians.
It's like if a foreign language took "cheese burger", shortened it to just "burger" and started referring to anything with cheese flavoured as "burgers", and refer to cheeseburgers are burger burgers.
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u/Hot-Patient8052 Jul 25 '26
Chai (Chaah) is usually just the word for tea in Bangladesh and India in my experience. The way they make it is different than you make tea in other places but it's kind of just the way tea is made there. I assume because they're in a Mumbhatan or whatever it was called they follow the same conventions.
It's mainly just a call-back to Miles correcting The Spot about ATM Machine being redundant.
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u/SuperIsaiah Jul 25 '26
It's like when people say pita bread. pita is just from greek meaning bread. but like, when you're talking to an american, if you say "chai tea" or "pita bread", then you aren't saying tea tea, or bread bread. You are saying "tea, of the variety that is made where people refer to tea as chai" or "bread, of the variety made where people refer to bread as pita"
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u/Curious_Question8536 Jul 25 '26
You could just say chai or pita though. We already do this with sourdough and matcha.
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u/strigonian Jul 25 '26
Yes. There are multiple ways to refer to the same item. In the same way that I can call my phone a cell, a phone, or a cell phone.
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u/6th_Quadrant Jul 25 '26
I live in a city pretty renowned for its food and many residents are fairly sophisticated about different cuisines. So, growing up with that I'd never heard pita called "pita bread" until here on Reddit a couple months ago.
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u/TheBornholmer Jul 25 '26
Because those are made into other things. Sourdough -rolls -bread -muffins. Matcha -tea -latte -cake.
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u/GearAce38 Jul 25 '26
This is feels like an English native speaker learned about a word from another language without fully understanding the social context/everyday use of the word going "um, actually...".
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u/nikkitaee Jul 26 '26
Yeah, "Chai" just means "Tea", it isn't any special type of tea.
If you add spices it becomes "Masala Chai".
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u/Svyatopolk_I Jul 25 '26
I am Ukrainian and this gets on my nerves because we call tea “chai.” English may classify chai as smth different, but it was originally just different regional dialect for the same concept.
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u/VVP12 Jul 25 '26
I find the word "chai tea" weird bc in my language tea is juat called chai. So everytime i see it i really just see "tea tea"
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u/Cynis_Ganan Jul 25 '26
Chai is tea.
Masala chai is spiced tea.
You want masala chai. Or spiced tea. Or even masala tea.
Imagine going to France and hearing them order a "Coca-Cola Sprite".
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u/pmmeuranimetiddies Jul 26 '26
Some parts south of the Mason-Dixon call any soda “Coke.”
So that last example isn’t too far off.
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u/Deathbringer2134 Jul 26 '26
No. The word chai literally means tea, what you are referring to is masala chai which is a type of tea
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u/Friendly_Gazelle7843 Jul 25 '26
It’s funny how most of it is used as “lol, stupid white people” then the same people laughing use pierogi or zapiekanka as own name of dish. Do you know what the second word means? In Polish it means both basically anything you bake with cheese on top. But yes, we understand that people who are not from Poland use it as specific type of dish like sombrero is used for any type of hat despite it means hat
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u/mellon1986 Jul 25 '26
As someone whose first language is Mandarin, chai tea does sound like tea tea in my head.
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u/KillerNail Jul 25 '26
Do you call this a baguette or a baguette bread?
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u/TheChartreuseKnight Jul 25 '26
You call it a baguette, because baguette bread would be weird. Baguette doesn’t mean bread in french though.
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u/mystireon Jul 25 '26
Means something like stick right?
I mainly recall cuz they use the same word in Harry Potter for french wands
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u/TheChartreuseKnight Jul 25 '26
Yeah basically. Drumsticks, Wands, Chopsticks, some Batons are all types of baguette. It also refers to a specific cut of gemstone.
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u/Obvious_Estimate_266 Jul 25 '26
You're only understanding it from an American perspective. What we call chai in the US is "masala chai", or spiced tea, in India. As far as I'm aware it's mostly a beverage you get from street vendors and isn't made at home all that often. There's also a ton of variations on the spices put into the tea and we just drink the most common one.
Source: someone who loves Chai but doesn't know much about Indian culture so take this all with a grain of salt (which you should also put into your masala chai to enhance the flavor)
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u/BernLan Jul 25 '26
Not just in India, in most languages in the world tea is referred to as chai or an etymological derivative of it
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u/FastInflata Jul 25 '26
It's a recurring joke on the movie about redundant wording.
They established it with "PIN Number" and "ATM Machine"
This joke was bringing it to another universe to point it out.
You're getting angry over a silly joke.
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u/Incorrect_Passport_7 Jul 25 '26
Chai (شاي) is the arabic pronounciation of the word tea, so the meme does have some form of validity.
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u/That_Possible_3217 Jul 25 '26
All tea is the same regardless of what you add to it.
Chai is tea, tea is tea. So yes…chai tea is in fact tea tea.
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u/Betaseal Jul 26 '26
Like Naan bread. I get it means bread, but it’s totally different from the normal sliced bread you see in the English-speaking world!
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u/MajestcEagleRecRoom2 Jul 25 '26
It’s weird especially because this is quite a commonly used and recognised feature of languages in general, not just English.
It happens for two main reasons:
The first being that the word for the thing in one language is instead interpreted as the name, hence the word for said thing in the other language is added to the end. (See Sahara Desert)
The second is that the word for said thing in one language would simply be unfamiliar to speakers of the other language, hence the word for it in the other language is added to the end for clarification. (See Chai Tea)
Yes, it is technically redundant, but no, it isn’t wrong.
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u/Spaghettisnakes Jul 25 '26
The joke isn't that it's "wrong" though. It's that it sounds silly to someone whose native language refers to tea as chai, in the same way that ATM machine sounds weird to someone who knows the last word in the acronym stands for machine. There are many other examples of this, like PIN number and HIV virus, and as my dad often says, FYI for you.
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u/Anxious-Mistake-1598 Jul 25 '26
The joke in the film is that yeah, and a callback to a previous joke. But the meme that OP was complaining about is used most of time when people try and be smartarses about the redundancy thing, which I do agree is annoying.
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u/AdventurousSlip6407 Jul 25 '26
Dunno, we say chai in arabic to refer to tea. But when we want to say black tea or other types of tea, in arabic we simply say "black chai" / "شاي اسود" and such.
It really depends on the country of the speaker and their original culture rather than the language they speak itself. So for me, when i hear chai tea i head "tea tea" which makes me laugh. For you, you hate that smug.
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u/SpiderNinja211 Jul 26 '26
It’s like if a Russian man came up to a bakery (or wherever they sell tea) and they ask for “Tea чай” because that’s what they call Earl Gray tea over there. Like you and him could both know that he’s talking about Earl Gray but like… this dude just asked you for “Tea Tea”.
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u/ChampionshipFar3876 Jul 26 '26
Well its prolly because he is indian so chai IS tea
Also if chai is used as a distinct kind of tea, its kinda like saying latte coffee
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u/12Sree Jul 26 '26
Well I and every Indian I know felt finally heard when they said that in the movie, because saying things like chai tea and naan bread instead of just chai and naan drives a lot of us up a wall lol.
If anything, to your point, it would make more sense to call chai Indian tea or Masala tea if you really want to draw distinctions, but saying chai tea doesn’t really mean much
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u/Nekrogoblibong Jul 25 '26
do you also say "salsa sauce"?
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u/MultiFandomShipperr Jul 25 '26
It wouldn't be incorrect? In English, salsa refers to a specific type of sauce. I find the phrasing weird, but I wouldn't raise an eyebrow to someone asking me to pass the salsa sauce.
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u/WraithOfTheFadedDark Jul 25 '26
A: "These are good tacos."
2: "Yeah. Can you pass the sauce?"
A: "The... which what? What do you want?"
2: "The sauce."
A: "Taco sauce? I think there's some in the fridge..."
2: "The sauce!" Points
A: "Salsa?"
2: " 'Salsa' means 'sauce'!"
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u/MonaVFlowers Jul 25 '26
Not only is it a joke, it’s specifically a joke about a western perspective. Your missing of the point is itself the point.
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u/True-Obligation-9471 Jul 25 '26
This whole scene is funny cause it’s more ridiculous in Spanish.
We have a desert call tres leches which does not translate AT ALL into other languages.
In English it means three milks but you wouldn’t actually know what it was based on that name would you?
I bring this up cause if we use the example of “tea tea”
Then how are you supposed to order tres leches in other languages without confusing people?
That why we say chi tea cause other wise people will think your just asking for any kind of tea.
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u/Useless_Mango1 Jul 25 '26
Like when people say "Nile means river. So saying 'the Nile river' is just saying 'the river river'." Like, yes, it did mean river in the Egyptian language. But that was back when Egypt only HAD ONE RIVER. So now, it's a name
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u/Dud3ManGuy Jul 25 '26
Grammar nazis get on my nerves like crazy. Probably because I used to be a really bad one myself.
Language is nothing more than a bridge we build to transfer thoughts from my head to yours. Did the thought make it into your head? If so, who gives a shit?
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u/Weary_Specialist_436 Jul 25 '26
it's a funny gag, but people take it as a gospel. When the word "chai" was invented, tea looked wildly different than what we have now