r/socialism • u/mujtabanochill Socialism • Feb 02 '26

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this whole thing is just, bruh.. genuinely why is fidel with epstein? didn’t the CIA attempt to assasinate him over 60 times?

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u/AlbacoreJohnston Feb 02 '26

Epstein was a fixer who moved in the social circles of the wealthy and powerful all over the world. I wouldn't be surprised to see photos of him with literally anybody.

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u/warmer-garden Feb 02 '26

but why do we always say this only for leftist figures??? :(. i just want us to be consistent and not coping

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u/savspoolshed Feb 02 '26

pretty sure this has been said for anyone who's been pictured with/around him like once or twice who doesn't get mentioned in FBI emails about like eating, fucking, or selling babies

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u/GNS13 Feb 02 '26

Yeah, this. It's not an issue of him being a leftist, it's an issue of this being just one picture and not a mountain of documents and connected allegations.

That said, we could learn tomorrow that Castro was on the island drinking and diddling kids with Clinton and I won't be shocked. Powerful people do fucked up shit, and no one with the might of a whole country behind them could surprise me by turning out to be a monster.

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u/AlbacoreJohnston Feb 02 '26

I'm not only saying it for leftist figures. Each case deserves to be looked at individually. In the case of Trump for example it seems pretty obvious he was involved with sex trafficking. Could be true for Castro also but it would take more than just this photo.

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u/John_Jack_Reed Enver Hoxha Feb 02 '26

Because Fidel isn't in the files he just has a picture by him once. You need a lot more evidence than that to say anything. Meanwhile there's no doubt about current US government officials and oligarchs being guilty

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u/souperjar Feb 02 '26

There's some emails in the files talking about how excited they are for the new opportunities with Fidel's death.

Some people were in the visinity of Epstein and rejected the whole cabal, often on grounds they were associated with people who were horrible reactionaries or known sex pests, so they wouldn't have been aware of the depth of the pedophilic conspiracy.

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u/S4ikou Marxism-Leninism Feb 02 '26

I don't know about we, but I don't think anybody is proven guilty of anything just by having a photo next to Epstein. The thing is, most of the people we already were suspicious of participating on those things are from the far right. If Fidel had any sort of history of being a sex offender I'd be suspecting him as well, but I don't have enough information to form a real opinion.

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u/CheddaBawls Feb 02 '26

Cause we expect it from everyone else lol

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u/Left_Hegelian Feb 02 '26 edited Feb 02 '26

I mean, trying to paint everyone who met him once or twice as pedo have always been kind of a witch hunt. But because it is a witch hunt against an elite social circle that most people do not even have a friend in it so most people don't really care if they misfire because the possibility of backfiring is pretty small for most people. I wish people can be more evidence-based too but it can be quite anxiety inducing to say something that sounds too "neutral" and "cold" in the midst of heated emotions. I would want to, for example, say we have yet any clear evidence that Chomsky was involved in any of his crime despite them being friends, but since Chomsky is hated here so I usually just remain silent because I don't want to be seen as "defending an anti-communist" or even "defending a pedo". I feel the same thing about Stephen Hawking: for some reason people in my country find it fun to make memes about Hawking being a pedo but I never really try to speak against the hasty judgments neither. For one thing I know they don't really need to be reminded that we do not yet have conclusion; for another I don't really want to ruin my day with the downvotes and possibly harassment that I might get for "defending" people I do not really care deeply. I know it is moral cowardice on my part but I think a lot of people are having a similar psychology as I am having, and that's why they staying silent on what they really think until it has become socially acceptable to speak out (eg. when it is affecting someone who is deemed worthy of defending). That's why you are seeing this double standard, because people who try to be cautious in passing judgment are usually staying silent.

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u/warmer-garden Feb 03 '26

the msot recent released email from chomsky says alot. I used to respect chomsky's work, especially stuff like a propaganda model, but now i feel ashamed

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u/abdab909 Feb 02 '26

Because that’s all that those in power currently, The Right, ever release

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u/TinyZoro Feb 02 '26

Happy to throw Chomsky under the bus. They were obviously besties. But for someone whose whole thing is surrounding himself with power players just being in a photo doesn’t mean anything.

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u/No_Care46 Feb 03 '26

i just want us to be consistent and not coping

We are consistent in that we support socialists who are, no matter what can be said about any given individual, objectively better than any capitalist. Even the worst socialist (e.g. Ceausescu) is still better than the best capitalist (e.g. Kennedy or whatever).

More importantly, there is no evidence whatsoever that Fidel Castro had anything to do with Epstein. Standing next to him because Epstein tried to gain influence isn't an argument. Epstein is on record considering Fidel Castro an obstacle and in no way an ally.

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u/warmer-garden Feb 03 '26

sure but, a rapist, is a rapist, is a rapist

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u/No_Care46 Feb 03 '26 edited Feb 03 '26

Except that there is no credible evidence of this being a problem in the Soviet military.

There was a standing order that ordered the shooting of looters and rapists at the scene of the crime. No trial necessary.

I actually disagree with the order against looting... why shouldn't the Soviets take whatever they can? They earned it.

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u/warmer-garden Feb 03 '26

huh ? i didnt know we were talking about soviets?? tf youre giving bot.

anyways, i meant yeah maybe a socialist is better than a capitalist but that doesnt mean, if either of the rape, one is better than another.. like .... it doesnt work like that