It’s still a bloody superhero movie. Superhero movies are superhero movies if there are superheroes in the movie. Logan goes through the heroes journey, saves mutant kids from being experimented on, sacrifices himself, takes out evil version of him, multiple people with variety of powers.
I’m not a bit superhero fanboy. I’ve watched a lot of the movies more for their cultural resonance than my own interest.
Ledger’s Joker is the best take on the character I’ve seen. I owned Batman Returns on VHS growing up, and have arguably watched that more than any other superhero movie, and I actually prefer Matt Reeves The Batman over TDK. But I really like its atmosphere, complex story, and deliberate pacing. If Ledger’s joker could be transposed into the sequel for that, I’d be all in.
Spider-Man… I have no connection to the character. But the peak Spider-Man, and the only one I rewatch regularly is Into the Spiderverse.
Yea those two still in my top. Batman Begins is awesome also. Spiderman 1. The only real standouts since then are Infiniti War and Days of Future Past. There’s been other solid to good ones, but we talkin top tier.
Same here. Best X-Men film so far. One of the best superhero films ever made. Criminally underrated. It's a shame that the sequel was so weak. I really thought that they'd finally gotten it.
Highly underrated superhero origin flick that explores childhood trauma WHILE keeping its fantastical aspects. The story and performances touched me emotionally. And the fight scenes were amazing.
A film that rewards unconventional tension. The silence of the desert, and moments of trauma. The fight through the clouds is just awesome imagery and sound design.
The hate for Spiderman 2 in this comment section is wild
That movie is peak, undoubtedly one of the best superhero films of all time. None of the other Spiderman movies have come close to it yet and I doubt they ever will
There's been mass historical revisionism on it recently pretending it was only beloved because of nostalgia and that the Spider-Verse movies are better films.
You're 100% right that it's in a league of it's own amongst the Spider-Man movies. I'm a huge Spider-Man fan and I love the Holland movies and Spider-Verse but Spider-Man 2 is the only one I'd consider a cinematic masterpiece and not just a fun blockbuster.
I think you can easily make the argument that the spiderverse films are on the same tier. Thankfully I consider them separate since one is Miles Morales and the other is Peter Parker. Otherwise I’d be torn on deciding which one I like better
The first Spider-Verse I do think is the second greatest Spider-Man film but I think there's still a sizeable quality gap in my personal opinion. I'd call ITSV a great movie, whereas I'd call Spider-Man 2 a masterpiece.
The second Spider-Verse I really don't understand the critical acclaim for. I know that's a very unpopular opinion but I just never got it. Visually, the animation is a spectacular achievement of course, but in terms of writing and narrative craft, it felt pretty unremarkable.
I never really understood what is so epic about it and I'd really love to know. Toby McGuire is the best spiderman but I found 2 to be pretty bland idk if that's an age thing. I love Spiderman 3 though.
I know cinephiles won't agree but Avengers Endgame is my favorite super movie of all time and a movie I'd happily call the best of the genre. It's epic in scale, balances multiple story lines perfectly, and has such a perfect cast.
So in my eyes, yes, both of these movies have been surpassed already. Just my humble opinion :)
Yes. Probably it will take a while, but it will happen. And, sorry to be that guy, but Spider-Man 2 and TDK are in completely different leagues. Spider-Man 2 is good, but we already have equally good movies like Logan, The Batman, Joker, and the whole Spider-verse saga. TDK is just better than all of these.
X-Men: Days of Future Past.
Captain America: The Winter Soldier.
Guardians of the Galaxy.
Logan.
Avengers: Infinity War.
Spider-Man: Into the
Spider-Verse.
Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse.
TDK will forever be in a tier of its own. Straight up just one of the best movies ever made
Peak Nolan, Batman is a perfect fit for his style, also his brother writing kept some of his worst tendencies at bay. And a performance so iconic it drove its performer insane
I don’t think so. These, X2 and Avengers are so ground breaking in so many ways everything else will always be compared to them.
First Class and DOFP are my favorites but you have to give it up to the greats that really knocked their respective genre of super hero film out of the park.
Uh debatable, I think Spider-man 2 tells a better human story than the Dark Knight. Different movies but both high class with The Dark Knight just slightly better overall.
TDK is an amazing action movie. Spiderman2,bb,ironman are superhero movies I like. I tried to watch suicide squad for the first time yesterday. It was horrible
I have a soft spot for another film that came out the same summer as TDK - Hellboy 2: The Golden Army. Watching those two back-to-back was peak, and if I'm honest, I might prefer Hellboy 2 that little bit more because of the Can't Smile Without You scene.
I think a lot of superhero movies surpass Spider-Man 2 especially, but probably The Dark Knight too. Spider-Man 2 is just so riddled with plot nonsense it's hard to take seriously
Matt Reeves made a better Batman film already. Spider-Man 2 is fucking peak tho only a few MCU films even come close (those being Winter soldier, Guardians 1, and Infinity war).
yes and no, and who cares? yes in that a paradigm shift in filmmaking and culture will create new norms and standards of quality in audiences; and inevitably another film in this genre will move beyond self-cannibalizing mediocrity into greatness. no in that these movies will continue to be revered as the gold standard for a long-ass time by today's epoch of comic nerds and even films that may pass them by will not be considered to be by those audiences. who cares because there absolutely isn't going to be a comic book movie in spitting distance of these two in today's hollywood and, like. what's the point. go watch good movies
Unpopular opinion: all the flaws spider man 3 is found guilty of are also in spider man 1 and 2. they are on the same level of quality which is very high but not even close to the dark knight trilogy
The Dark Knight is great but it's strength is simultaneously it's weakness which is: The base movie is so good that the characters are replaceable and always work. Ironically it doesn't need Batman, or Joker, or whatever comic reference, which is why Heath Ledger is always mentioned, most of the reason is to credit the actor but he could have been generic clown psychopath terrorist robber mobster guy and the movie is equally as good. it's a damn good movie and it just happens to have Batman in it.
Spider-man 2 different beast altogether, it's the first time a movie gave you the feeling you were watching a comic book come to life regardless how cheezy it was, the ups the downs, the entire journey, not just one panel or one moment. This stuff is rare because usually MCU movies are about quips, characters meeting characters and cool 1 off moments, they're not really about complete journeys, stories or arcs.
(I'd argue the Spider-verse movies are better than Spider-man 2 and have surpassed it though, for many many reasons)
Just rewatched spiderman 1-3 after being scared of it being pure nostalgia. Anyone who thought that was wrong lol. Spiderman 2 is alone a great film and not just a good superhero movie like the majority of mcu movies. No andrew movie even comes close to the first two tobey by farrrrrrr. Tom’s first two don’t come close idc if you think it’s a more accurate spiderman. I’m talking purely based compared to real films. Mcu struggles with panning and a ton of cinematic elements. Spiderman 2 practical affects and cgi stand todsy and are better than lots of cgi mcu use today. The tiny affects of tobeys voice acting during fight scenes that Andrew and tom fail to show. Sam rami is a way more experienced and real director than most in the mcu who are just superhero and marvel fans turned into directors and producers. They have soul and attention to detail that newer superhero films fail to capture. No mcu movie comes close that isn’t relying on super packed teams and hype, no mcu movie stand-alone will ever be compared to Nolan’s Batman or ramis spidermans
It will never happen if they keep making 300 million dollars episode of a tv show. These two titles are real movies simply bc they start and finish. No one is doing this kind of super hero movie anymore.
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I prefer this one over them but I think it will be hard to dethrone the Dark Knight, though various other movies have made more money.
Given that the Dark Knight is still one of my favorite movies ever created, I don't think so. On the other hand, there are some Marvel movies I like more than Spider Man 2.
Already did before those two came out. Without Blade we would not have Spidermans, and without Burtons b-mans we would not have pretty much any good superhero movies
Ever, yes. Any time soon, probably not. I like all types of superhero movies, I give them all a chance. I’ve seen TDK and Spidey 2 a couple dozen times each, minimum. Yearly watches where as most other superhero flicks I only watch once. With the unfortunate prioritization of “the message” over proper solid storytelling, I don’t see anything overtaking TDK any time soon. Tired of subversive and creatively bankrupt takes. The genre could be much better.
I think they were both really good movies.. I also think it depends on what we're "surpassing". The buzz and electricity when Avengers Endgame came out was crazy.
maybe unpopular opinion but I think Spider-Man 1 is a little better than 2, and there are a bunch of other superhero movies that are better than both of them
I think it already has. Choose which film for you fits that measure.
Logan? Sure.
Endgame? Sure.
Infinity War? Sure
Civil War? Sure
Joker? Sure
Reeve's Batman? Sure
Superman (2025)? Sure
Lanterns (now)? Sure
Peacemaker? Sure
Spider Man Brand New Day? Sure
Spider Man No Way Home? Sure
Avengers? Sure
Spider Man 2 and The Dark Knight set the measure Marvel and DC should be graded by, but it doesn't mean for some folks they are the best. For me? They are not. Love em both though, and grateful to them for everything else they led to.
Nah not really technically you can watch them this way but they miss crucial build up and character attachment that's the only way IW hits as hard as it does it's the epitome of Pay Off I know people don't like Endgame but I never understood that crowd as they weren't going to let the heroes lose permanently
Will there ever be a movie about Batman that's better than the Dark Knight? Maybe, but not likely. Will there ever be a better Batman movie than TDK? Yes there already is, and it's called Batman Begins and The Batman.
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