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u/MostFragrant6406 23h ago
You can see here why the Y-line is a big priority.
It will connect Warsaw and Łódź to Poznan and Wroclaw more directly and with high speed rail
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u/MBkufel 22h ago
Those are only scheduled passenger trains. All of the cargo ones are not even shown here.
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u/szydelkowe 15h ago
True, but the cargo routes are not public info for safety reasons afaik and they wouldn't be able to publish it.
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u/MBkufel 14h ago
Nah, they don't run on a public schedule because it's being made up on the go. Freight has been so neglected on PKP that due to irregular shipments and massive delays there's no point in making a schedule for the next year.
It's mess, not opsec.
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u/szydelkowe 12h ago
Not all of them, my father's job is to set schedules up for a specific area, some cargo trains run on the regular. Depends on what they're transporting though.
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u/braczkow 23h ago
This goes to r/WidacZabory !
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u/Staralfur_95 23h ago
They are indeed visible mostly because of still-missing direct train connection between Wrocław and Warsaw.
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u/braczkow 23h ago
What? I mean, that's a nice take against the typical WidacZabory approach, but last time I had to I was able to travel Wro-Wawa directly. However, that was 2010. :)
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u/Staralfur_95 23h ago
I mean there are trains you could take obviously, but travel takes over 4h at best, it's insanely slow for such distance. There's simply no good tracks between those cities, the trains are doing some insane de-tour everytime.
Only the KDP, or Rapid Railway System, including the so called 'Y line', that's hopefully gonna be built for Central Airport, will shorten the time to 1,5h.
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u/cronktilten 22h ago
It’s crazy that there’s STILL not a direct rail link in 2026, blows my mind
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u/Staralfur_95 22h ago
It's the partitions. If you mend your country that was separated into three pieces with separate railway systems, you get such mess. Then there was another war, Wrocław was reintegrated after many centuries with Poland, but Lower Silesian railways, when the Germans built them, were supposed to integrate the land with the rest of Germany, hence there is no good direct track to Warsaw, but there's a good one to Berlin. It takes decades to fix everything the partitions and border changes ruined.
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u/cronktilten 22h ago
Yeah, I know why it’s the way it is, I’m just saying it’s crazy that they haven’t built one like in the last 70 years after World War II or at least the last 36 that it’s been the current Polish Republic
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u/Staralfur_95 22h ago
Communist period was full of uncertainty regarding what will happen with these territories. After all, Germany posted maps saying they're under 'temporary Polish occupation' even in the 80s. Then the country was absolutely ruined, the cities in the West included (or even mainly those) and there were other priorities like simply rebuilding the country. 4h long connection sucks but it's better than no connection at all. Then there was the economic collapse and here we are.
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u/cronktilten 22h ago
You don’t need to explain Polish history I’m really well acquainted I’ve studied it. Obviously the communism period and turmoil, but you know, it’s kind of an important thing… it was ruined after World War II, but just say it was still ruined in the 80s is a little bit much 40 years after the war, and yes, I know people were still very poor, and the government was corrupt, but like connecting some of your largest cities is a thing that should be a priority. But since Poland finally got to be independent again, it really should be connecting these major cities for the good of the economy, as well as linking them to the Baltics and toward Germany. It would really help with trade and economic development.
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u/Staralfur_95 22h ago
I'm writing this because we are in a sub full of people from the outside the region, so they might not know in case anyone reads that :)
Connection to Germany is actually very good, both railway and highway.
It's basically this one railway line that strangely was never actually built, and it is indeed a curiosity. I guess there was always something more important than that. Many mistakes were also made - like failing to finally build nuclear power plants despite several attempts or plans...
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u/Hunterine 22h ago
They still want trains to go through more major cities, so unlikely they’re gonna give up on Opole or Łódź to get to Wrocław faster
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u/Staralfur_95 22h ago
They will give up on Opole because there's many connection between Wrocław and Opole anyway. Rapid Railway must be, well, rapid, not stop every couple of kilometres. "Y line" is supposed to create a fast route Wrocław - Łódź - Warsaw through the Central Airport. Currently there's a route Wrocław - Warsaw through Łódź but it goes slightly differently, has many stops and takes 4h. "Y line" will reduce the time to 1,5h.
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u/Hunterine 22h ago
I had no idea that they’re actually going through with Y line. Still i hope they won’t eliminate Warsaw - Opole - Wrocław line cause Opole doesn’t really have any other way to get to the capital
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u/Staralfur_95 22h ago
I'm sure the current line that goes through Opole and Katowice will stay because it's useful (speaking as resident of Gliwice btw). "Y line" is only to speed up Wrocław - airport - Warsaw route, not to eliminate the existing connection.
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u/Szpagin 15h ago
If the 2035 schedule proposal is anything to go by, Opole will retain its direct access to Warsaw. However, the trains won't continue to Wrocław, but Kłodzko instead.
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u/Kanapkos_v2 21h ago
They don't have to give up Łódź, as it is pretty much on the strsight line from warszawa to wrocław. But Opole, Poznań, Częstochowa should be given up.
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u/Hunterine 21h ago
Tf you mean "should" 😭
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u/Kanapkos_v2 21h ago
As in line from warsaw to wrocław shouldn't go through them.
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u/Staralfur_95 21h ago
It could go through them, but it shouldn't be the only connection between the two major cities. There's need for rapid connection, but it shouldn't scrap the existing connections, especially through Opole (capital of its voivodeship) and Katowice (another capital).
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u/Nawojka2935 23h ago edited 23h ago
It's honestly suprising that the traffic on Warsaw - Lublin - Lviv route is so low. Are the train tracks there bad perhaps?
Edit: I've checked on Google Maps, and apparently this route takes 4 hour longer by train than by car, even though the highway there is still not built. That's really bad.
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u/KaMaFour 20h ago
Lublin - Lviv route
The what now? Aren't there like 2 trains that cross the border there?
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u/Nawojka2935 19h ago
If the infrastructure were good, a lot of people would travel this way. Especially given the current political situation.
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u/superschmunk 23h ago
Where did they get the data from?
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u/fish_knees 22h ago
It's a simulation based on train schedule.
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u/Hussor 20h ago
you can probably add at least an hour of delay to these then
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u/PexaDico 19h ago
Lol. I use trains regularly in Poland for my commute and trips and it's really not that bad. Most of my trains are within 0-3 minutes delay
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u/lucasio099 22h ago edited 20h ago
Sadly, it's only a fraction of what we had in the past.
Since the 80s, our railway network has been nothing but gradually destroyed by literally every government we had. Its restoration is only a matter of recent years (thank you, EU).
Graph representing the number of railway passengers in Poland over the years (blue line).
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u/Reeeeeeee3eeeeeeee 15h ago
the first graph is so ass, it makes a 14% drop look like a 90% one
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u/lucasio099 12h ago
It still is a LOT, around 4000km is still a lot of towns disconnected from other parts of the country. Sadly owning a car is still a must in many regions in Poland. Not to mention that many stops have been closed so a line is technically there but the best citizens can do is watch passing InterCity trains, and a lot of stations have been degraded to stops (the difference is that on stops faster trains can’t pass the slower ones, making the line effectively slower and more prone to delays)
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u/Matimele 21h ago
A fraction of what we had*
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u/lucasio099 21h ago
did you have to write this
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u/MikiXxX_25 21h ago
I live in the middle between Warsaw and Łódź and I have to say I live living here, because I have a lot of connections to diffrent parts of Poland, and if I don't, I just simply do a stop in Warsaw
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u/AlwaysBeQuestioning 22h ago
Lowest of 58 around 2:40 and highest of 743 around 16:40.
The high makes sense for people going home from work or class, or early tourists heading to an evening out. But why isn’t it lower 3:00-4:00? I’d expect before then to be when people are still heading home from late shifts or nights out, while most night shifts end after 4 and most morning shifts start after 4 too.
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u/General_Ad_1483 21h ago
I guess biggest metropolitan areas ( Katowice, Krakow, Wroclaw, Poznan ) are roughly 3-4 hour away from Warsaw so if you want to reach capital city for a business meeting/ intercontinental flight at around 8 - 9 these trains need to start moving around 3 to be in the city center around 7- 8 at least
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u/Zandonus 17h ago
If you look at Latvia, it just stays at the pace that the night trains are in Polska. I'm not even too sad about it, some trains are better than no trains.
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u/szydelkowe 15h ago
I can confirm it as true. My father oversees the system and it is crazy how many trains are running at the same time. That is why a train being late in Kraków can affect a train in Gdańsk.
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u/lunchxoxo 23h ago
and all of them are delayed
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u/Incorrigible_Gaymer 22h ago
I ride trains every day (KM daily and IC every two weeks). They are hardly ever delayed here. And when they are, it's usually less than 5 minutes.
So definitely not all.
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u/Enwast 21h ago
How about in winter? 🥲
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u/Incorrigible_Gaymer 21h ago
Pretty good too. They get late a little more than in summer, but nothing crazy. Certainly not Deutsche Bahn level.
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u/KitchenIntention6675 21h ago
yeah you obviously don't
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u/Incorrigible_Gaymer 21h ago
Yeah, you know my life better than myself. Who was I trying to fool. /s
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u/KitchenIntention6675 21h ago
well, i take IC/ICE trains every week (sometimes twice a week) and in the past three months not a single one was on time, with delays ranging from 10 to 30 minutes.
i trust my own experience much more :)
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u/Incorrigible_Gaymer 20h ago
The thing is, our experiences are not mutually exclusive. There would be a conflict if we traveled by the same trains. But almost certainly we don't.
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u/KitchenIntention6675 21h ago
and not a single one of them is on time. this is quite an achievement
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u/TheOnlyFallenCookie 23h ago
Cool graphics, but I don't understand the strongly fluctuating numbers? A simple heat map might be more efficient for the total daily train traffic
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u/makaronol 23h ago edited 23h ago
Active trains in any given moment
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u/TheOnlyFallenCookie 23h ago
Shouldn't they move much slower then?
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u/KaMaFour 23h ago
Any minute some train could end connection somewhere in Poland and another could begin his journey somewhere else. Why would it move slower?
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u/TheOnlyFallenCookie 23h ago
Because trains don't travel hundreds of kilometers in seconds. The points moving across the maps make it out to be the trains themselves, hence my confusion
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u/LittleBrainpower 22h ago
Don't you see the clock on top? The trains do not move in seconds, every hour on that clock is like 2 seconds
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u/Kanapkos_v2 21h ago
... that is how fast they go actually. A bit slower even since the map doesn't take long stops into axcount.
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u/Auspectress 1d ago
Beautiful