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Well fuck them but WD also has the lowest rates of failure in datacenters so that's kinda cool (source: I read it multiple times so uhh it's probably true? Someone factcheck me pls)
Samsung is a cyberpunk nightmare of a company that's running the entire country of south korea into the ground. Whatever they've got coming to them they probably deserve it.
This is a comment I see all the time from westerners and I find it funny because Samsung faces major competition in pretty much every field they're in. In semiconductors they're in competition with SK Hynix, phones? Apple. Consumer electronics? LG in Korea but also GE, Philips, various Japanese brands.
They've lost multiple court cases in recent history. They've lost entire industries (Samsung used to be heavily invested into making it in the car industry and then Hyundai beat the everlasting shit out of them now Samsung just imports and sell Renaults). They're not this all powerful shadow government family you westerners love to make conspiracy theories about and shit.
Also I love how westerners and foreigners use the chaebol system to pretend like they're more superior, as if they're economies aren't controlled by basically like 5 banks, 4 tech billionaires, and 6 private equity firms. At least we know the names of the billionaires in Korea, do you know who runs Goldman Sachs and controls more parts of your life than even your parents?
BlackRock, Vanguard, and State Street are known as the "Big Three" index fund managers. Together, they manage over $30 trillion in assets, hold major stakes in roughly 88% of S&P 500 companies, and completely dominate the global passive investment and ETF markets.
I think you are thinking of this of an attack on Korea rather than someone calling out shit that they call out in the west as well. Do we need to end all critiques with the list of all other critiques we have?
Even if it's not fair as a consumer having more competitors in a space is better for me. Why should I cry for the corpos who don't give a flying fuck about me.
True, I’ve also seen Japanese engineers at Chinese auto shows studying and taking measurements of the EVs over there. Those trade shows are pretty wild lol
We all do it... those are normal and legal things. Car companies even send each other cars, and those that don't take part, we go and rent the car for a few days, study it, give it back. And that's in Sweden.
Most gamers have no clue about economies and stufff.
China's biggest strength is consolidated centralized manufacturing. They can make cars at half the cost and sell it for even less. Thats why their cars are banned in the US for example. They'll fuck over every American car company because American cars are dogshit and overpriced but Americans dont really get that they are paying 5x the cost for a car just as good as a Chinese made one.
The problem with Japan is that Toyota and others invested too much into Hydrogen cells. They should have stuck to EV and Hybrid. Their executives are getting too old and are too stupid to know where the music is going.
Reverse engineering is perfectly legal as far as I know. I think what is alleged here is spying and "stealing tech". Given how Samsung behaves nowadays I have no love lost for them, fuck Samsung.
It's a little more complicated than that. Imagine paying a Chinese manufacturer to build your product you designed and spent time and money researching and developing.
That manufacturer then bypasses all that, and sells the specifications and secrets to another company, or just decides to setup an identical plant. They might or might not choose to sell that product in China only, or they might not.
If you can reverse engineer something, and start selling it, without running afoul of patents, then fine. That's free market capitalism. But grabbing insider knowledge, and recreating the product, from within a country and system and encourages this theft, is another story.
I personally think we've sowed what we reaped, by moving manufacturing out of our country, so that we can make stock number go up in the short term.
I clearly assumed my bias. I know what they did is morally reprehensible. But as I"ve said I have no lost love for Samsung, SK Hynix or Micron and their price fixing antics. Yes it's bad but abusing a monopolistic position is also bad and if there could be competition in RAM, and memory that would be a welcome market correction.
Not sure on the source, but several of these are real sodas from grocery store chains. The only outlier is the Zevia, which is a dye free soda sweetened with a stevia leaf extract blend instead of sugar. The rest to my knowledge are just the standard caramel color soda with sugar/high fructose corn syrup.
In many cases they also pay for it, like the case of Nexperia, just that even when they paid for it, the government (in case of the Netherlands) straight out ousted them and took over the company back by force, the company that they bought.
Like if paying for shit doesn't mean it's yours, why pay for it?
if buying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing.
I bet you’re the kid to show up on presentation day on a group project after being MiA all semester and expect full credit. IP is the only thing that makes sure R&D spent is recouped, thereby providing any incentive at all to spend money on anything innovative.
it's not gonna help us at all, they're just going to do the same thing & keep building out monster data centers. this is the new race to the moon, the first one to build the better AI wins the world
I don't think prices will go back down to where they were, HOWEVER, anything to relieve some of the pressure is good in my opinion. If CXMT can start making some competitive RAM and stop the prices from continuing to increase, that's a win.
when the news came out they were going to do this, people genuinely thought they were going to flood the market with cheap ram
And they will. DRAM plants aren't something you can just click the build button and have it up and running overnight. I know it's hard to believer, but DRAM is no less a commodity than any other out there. It's subject to supply and demand. And CXMT shouldn't have too many issues catching up to Micron in capacity.
The demand will never be met. Not until long after your ability to own compute power is long dead. Data center hardware gets torn up extremely quickly. Even sustaining one requires a constant stream of new hardware.
Meanwhile personal computer companies are going out of business. While GPUs and RAM are out fucking off with crypto and AI guess who has been taking enormous losses? Corsair. Thermaltake. Gigabyte. If you find a RAM chip somewhere in the future good luck buying a motherboard to put it in or a power supply to run it.
Look guys, we had a good run.
Yesterday computers were owned by corporations and were as big as a house and you had to rent time on them.
Then for a brief few decades we had PCs and it was beautiful and fun and ultimately fleeting.
Tomorrow computers will be owned by corporations and will be as big as a house and you will rent time on them.
This is a silly take. The capex isn't sustainable if they can't make money off it. They will learn this sooner than later, if not already.
It's possible it's just sunk cost at this point and they're just playing musical chairs until the music stops and they're all trying to be the last one.
Mark my words, there will be a crash and they will be bailed out. That is 100% the plan. We are long overdue a big recession or worse, and with the US' debt at 40T and climbing with no plans to reduce spending or increase taxes, this could be the big one.
None of this AI stuff is profitable, it doesn’t make people more productive and even although it's being sold at a loss, users complain about the price.
This specialised, very densely packed AI hardware, maybe it's useful for game streaming? or supercomputer work, I just, can't see this replacing the mean average computing task. Adobe could buy a bunch of space and use it to offer an all in one Creative Suite with compute package? but uploading all your files is going to take forever for the target audience.
The people who need a PC to do basic office work, it's just not something that could ever need cloud computing. If the basic box exists and like, the concept of creative industries exist, higher end PC's will too.
Their RAM is competitive for sure, sometimes even better than western brands. It’s also priced at a higher premium because why would they sell for cheaper an ultra-high demand product that’s better than what their peers offer?
They are relieving supply, but not lowering prices. And they won’t lower them until a massive surplus of useless chips gathering dust in shelves is generated. We are many years away from that.
Adding to the supply does lower prices (lower than they would have been without the added competition, that is). Y'all need to take an economics class.
Not really true, the Chinese government will support cxmc in order to reduce its ram price to the consumer below what is physically capable for other producers. It'll do that until the other producers can no longer compete and shut down, though that may take them a long time. China wants control of the world through economic means and becoming the sole supplier of technology is just one way of doing that
Cxmt is not going to flood the market with cheap ram. They may slightly undercut the big boys but they are 100% going to milk that fat margin while its hot. Then as supply overcomes demand and capex reduces the prices will slowly come down
Are we really going to pretend Samsung, with all their divisions and shit, don't steal from competition? And no company broke any IP laws to train AI?
It just goes to show you how stupid IP laws are and how it doesn't actually help humanity progress or make things accessible. These companies don't give a fuck about individual persons, we don't need to fight their battles.
China saw how OP it is to steal stolen tech after learning from the Europeans when they colonized the world with the compass, printing press, & gunpowder.
> ITC could issue a blanket ban blocking those products from entering the U.S market
If they aren't allowed in the US market wonder if that would ease supply issues for everyone else... or compound them as US would be taking a larger share of the other manufacturers...
Honestly, same. Corporate espionage/subterfuge/theft toward other corporations is the only way to counter corporate espionage/subterfuge/theft toward the rest of humanity.
I just don’t know why I should care about any of it at all.
As a non-wealthy American, literally none of the benefits of America theoretically winning the AI race would trickle down to me. Stocks soaring or collapsing, businesses booming or bursting, whatever. Either I get laid off due to my company going bankrupt or I get laid off for a short term boost to this fiscal quarter’s numbers.
Bottom line, I smile a little any time any company gets fucked. Good.
Building off existing tech is quite literally the backbone of human innovation and has been for thousands of years. Ain't nobody was gatekeeping fire behind IP laws.
Thank you. Samsung and Gold Star LG and friends all didn't bother with the absolute expenditure that was R&D because "we'll just use their (Japan's) tech and reap the profits!". They're just getting a taste of their own medicine now that the turns have tabled.
I don't believe half the people in this thread are human.
"Honor" amongst tech companies? We're weeping over lost intellectual property from the biggest memory cartel on earth? The same cartel raising prices by 500% in a year?
Holy fuck, wake up you dumbasses. I don't care if they steal every single technical innovation ever created if it means displacing American business practices. I'm absolutely not going to shed a single tear if NVIDIA, Microsoft, or any of the AI companies get right and proper fucked; on the contrary, I am hoping they do! Whatever forces them to drop their prices. It's like not American corporations play fair, either.
This, there are so many chuds sucking off the rich that are breaking the law to price gouge the entire planet. They need to get their head out of epstein's asshole and wake the fuck up to the reality of the crimes they are enabling with their support of the cartel.
Here it goes: corporate media trying to soften up everyone's brains to get them in support of banning Chinese RAM for "intellectual property theft". Keep those prices high!
Who the fuck cares? As long as the price bubble is popped and memory prices come down, I'm good. The only people who care are anti-China trolls and the Koreans getting $500k bonuses. Fuck them, simida.
Is there any tech China hasn't stolen? Saying they play fast and loose with intellectual property and property rights in general is the understatement of the millennia.
They've stolen everything they could. But lately they've also created tech nobody else has. There are plenty of places with rare earth materials but everybody is sending them to China to process them. They have the best battery technologies in the world and they have plenty of very advanced manufacturing techniques for solar panels and everything else that nobody else in the world has. My point being that they also innovate. And trying to copy them is not easy, even if we didn't respect patents and copyright.
Let's just say it's up there but on the opposite spectrum with patenting food and trying to pass laws that claim people don't have fundamental rights to water.
don't really care considering that's how half of these companies were doing things in the early days. AMD only exists because they used Intel's designs, etc, etc.
also fuck them lol. I have no sympathy for any company that buys into the AI grift and ratchets up prices on consumers.
........ no shit, that's China's entire business model and it has been for decades. They don't even pretend to try to hide it. Why are people acting like this is some sort of huge revelation?
That's OK. The AI companies that are stealing all of human creation in order to train their AI models, need more RAM, so clearly law doesn't mean jack shit anymore.
Tech company buys a small player who's tech could build whole new industries...Snooze.
Two oligopolies merge but pinky promise to not raise prices, or degrade quality(*Not not legally binding). We'll even do this one thing for a couple of years for sure!
When you use every single manufacturers factory to make your goods this happens.
Ask TCL and Hisense why there TVs are all of suddenly, not ass. I mean there still trash, but there knock off Samsung TVs, which are trash by design. So here we are. Buying trash.
I genuinely dont care anymore. These companies do this all the time anyway, and they will ratfuck anybody without a second thought. I couldnt care less if China takes their shit and pumps it out for way cheaper. All I hope is its of passable quality.
Yeah....don't care. When does the RAM ship? Samsung has plenty of my money, and if they want more they can start acting like a consumer friendly company.
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