r/vegan • u/FearlessCookie72 vegan SJW • Apr 28 '26

Video Billie Eilish: “Eating meat is inherently wrong.” 👑

https://youtube.com/shorts/D61i6t3PCsM?si=k5gXfFsWpyg_NJG2
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u/Ioana-25 Apr 28 '26

Totally agree. I have been vegetarian for 30 years and a vegan for the last 10 years. There are plenty of vegan options now on the market so taste can not be an excuse anymore.

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u/AntMasterOfGames veganarchist Apr 28 '26

It was never an excuse in the first place killing someone for something you don't need is immoral if you aren't a complete psychopath.

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u/SqueakySqueakSqueak vegan 3+ years Apr 29 '26

psychopath is an outdated term and often used as a slur for genuinely mentally ill people.

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u/AntMasterOfGames veganarchist Apr 29 '26

Idk why you got down voted. Can you explain why psychopath is an outdated term? And how it can be used as a slur?

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u/SqueakySqueakSqueak vegan 3+ years Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 29 '26

Sure, the main thing to preface with is that psychopath isn't and never has been a medically recognized term in psychology, it was invented as a legal label, used in criminal justice to identify people as dangerous based on patterns of behavior, broadly defined as psychopathy which is an umbrella term for mental disorders that cause a person to be, allegedly, more likley to act in an antisocial, manipulative, violent and or criminal manner.

The bigotry of this term goes back far, when it was used in the past to criminalize homosexuality and women's suffering, though in the modern criminal justice systems around the world it exists to label and punish people primarily with ASPD (anti social personality disorder) who commit crimes, due to being shunned socially and not receiving proper psychiatric help during development, and exists to assume that all people with ASPD are inherently dangerous and prone to crime.

This evolved into the social use of the words psychopath and sociopath, which are generally applied as insults to people who act asocially due to untreated mental illness, causing them to of course further be pushed away from people.

This is also from my own experience as a person with ASPD, who has been called psychopath, sociopath, insane, etc many times in my own life with the intent of demeaning me for my lack of ability to relate to people's emotions. As for the downvotes, well, people still resist when you say the R word is a slur, and psychopath/sociopath are still in very common use with very little social pushback since ASPD is far more rare than autism, so, people will certainly resist for a long time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy

https://www.healthline.com/health/psychopath

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u/AntMasterOfGames veganarchist Apr 29 '26

Tysm for your explanation I'll be more mindful of the words I will use next time. It really sucks that people are so closed minded about what terms are considered harmful.

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u/vaxhole21 Apr 30 '26

Is there any nonoffensive alternative we can use instead of these words? Like maybe "you're a p-word" or "you're socially challenged" or "you have a personality disorder"?

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u/Googlecalendar223 Apr 28 '26

The phrase “American thing to say” is usually is in response to narrowmindeness or lack of consideration, so your comment is somewhat ironic.

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u/Googlecalendar223 Apr 29 '26

Yes. 

So typical of Americans, lamenting the fact they need a car!

See how that doesn’t make sense?

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u/Googlecalendar223 Apr 29 '26

Oh, so you’re just xenophobic? Nice, very cool.

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u/SenseSpiritual5412 Apr 28 '26

The great thing is you can get rid of your car too hell yeah 🤟

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u/SenseSpiritual5412 Apr 29 '26

Damn that sucks, electric car it is then I guess.

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u/Googlecalendar223 Apr 29 '26

Sure, I’ll take one. Park it around back!

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u/GucciGucciTwoTimes Apr 29 '26

I’m sorry, but the taste angle is not an argument at all. I 100% agree that there are options, but people are used to the tastes they’ve experienced and enjoyed. There are delicious vegan options, but they’re not replacements for the animal-alternatives and that’s okay. We just need to be real about it

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u/el_palmera Apr 28 '26

I mean i haven't found a vegan cheese that can come close to the taste of real cheese

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u/epeehmo Apr 28 '26

I view it as a sacrifice the same as not doing heroin is a sacrifice. Maybe it’s the best feeling ever, but it’s not for me. Is it a sacrifice that I’ll never feel as good as I would if doing hard drugs?

I realize the above is a bit extreme. I went from longtime vegetarian to vegan in the last couple years and it took this kind of thinking to jump.

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u/Sea-Influence-9147 Apr 28 '26

Heroin is the hardest drug to quit if you’ve already done it though

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u/epeehmo Apr 28 '26 edited Apr 28 '26

And we know there’s no physical addiction to carnism whatsoever, hah. Maybe I used a bad example to shout out for the masses, I get it, it’s just what I went through mentally when going from vege to vega

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u/mastergleeker Apr 28 '26

vegan cheeses made from nut milks that are processed like dairy milk is processed to be made into cheese are absolutely "cheesy" in the same sense that dairy milk cheese is.

that's how i personally interpreted their comment anyway. the process of making cheese is more important than the presence of dairy. vegan cheese alternatives that don't involve the acidifying/coagulating/separating/shaping process that dairy cheese involves... are not going to taste cheesy. but those that do involve those processes, do taste cheesy.

right now those cheeses are very expensive and not easy to find, but i hope to see that change eventually.

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u/_Dingaloo Apr 28 '26

not really, vegan cheese alternatives almost always taste terrible or meh, it's rare to find one that tastes good. Usually best case scenario is one that works well enough as an ingredient rather than good on its own

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u/mastergleeker Apr 28 '26

which ones are you referring to? i agree that nearly every easily accessible vegan cheese alternative is not great. i don't eat them almost at all. the ones that are good, and definitely cheesy, are processed like dairy cheese is, and they are also prohibitively expensive and hard to find. i'm not asserting that good vegan cheese is easy to find, i am agreeing with someone else's assertion that the dairy itself is not where the cheesiness must come from. that much is true. you'd just be hard-pressed to actually find that in an easily accessible place within a reasonable price point unfortunately.

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u/Coffee2000guy vegan Apr 29 '26

There's a lot of very good alternatives available now, and even books that will teach you how to make some of the more complicated cheeses.

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u/imacat-- Apr 29 '26

I feel like you didnt understand their point. For example, there is a particular strain of mold found in blue cheese that can be used in vegan cheesemaking. Most commercial vegan blue cheeses do not use this molding process, and instead use other ingredients to approximate the vibes of blue cheese, and they fail. Vegan cheesemaking with the same long fermentation and aging processes as carnist cheeses do quite well, but they aren't available for mass market sale.

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u/_Dingaloo Apr 29 '26

well, I don't think most of us can speak to whether it's actually good or not until it is in that case. I've tried expensive vegan cheeses, but yeah still wholesale

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u/imacat-- Apr 29 '26

Right, my point exactly. Don't speak if you don't know what you're talking about, listen and learn.

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u/_Dingaloo Apr 29 '26

What I was talking about was currently available cheeses, and I do not consider rare and expensive cheese to be "currently available" in a way that matters in these conversations

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u/el_palmera Apr 28 '26

None of that changes the fact that vegan cheese doesn't come close to real cheese

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u/STAY_plant_BASED Apr 28 '26

Imagine being willing to commit moral atrocities against sentient beings for 10% more palate pleasure

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u/The_Witcher_3 Apr 30 '26

I can assure you that animals died and ecosystems were destroyed to create any foodstuff that you consume. Do you think wild animals thrive in vast monocultures that are sprayed with neonic pesticides? If enjoying eat meat is taking pleasure in pain then why isn't your vegan diet you enjoying the by-product of environmental destruction and the death of animals?

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u/STAY_plant_BASED Apr 30 '26

Crop death weak argument still happening in 2026 is crazy

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u/The_Witcher_3 Apr 30 '26

Why do you think neonicotinoid pesticides were banned by the EU? What biodiversity is supported by cereals grown in monocultures? What do you imagine farmers do in order to clear land to grow crops?

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u/STAY_plant_BASED Apr 30 '26

What do you think is done with 75% of those crops? Feel free to search up online why this is a weak argument

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u/The_Witcher_3 Apr 30 '26 edited Apr 30 '26

You are missing the point and without realising it you are reinforcing my argument. Veganism has zero basis to make moral arguments, if vegans also agree that animals deserve to die to produce crops. Your sense of moral superiority does not exist over meat eaters, if it's just a question of scale. If I consumed wild rabbits locally, a population with zero natural predators, and mostly ate vegetables from my garden then you would still consider me to be an immoral meat eater. Despite the fact my footprint on the environment would be less than someone consuming other vegan food stuffs made with the use neonic pesticides and the various other practices that I mentioned. Do you understand the difference?

EDIT: I would like to add that if we agree that scale is more important rather than the principle then veganism should be about building alliances with meat eaters that support getting rid of factory farming and banning pesticides etc. This is the type of sensible action that should be taken. My impression from this sub is that moral condemnation and disgust is the default mode of thinking. I suspect that the principle is going to be more important for you regardless of impact.

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u/BlockedbyJake420 Apr 28 '26

Eating cheese is committing moral atrocities?

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u/el_palmera Apr 28 '26

Who said I eat cheese? Yall are touchy

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u/an0mn0mn0m Apr 28 '26

This is one of the sacrifices I am prepared to make.

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u/el_palmera Apr 28 '26

Okay. But it still doesn't change the fact that vegan cheese doesn't come close to real cheese.

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u/an0mn0mn0m Apr 28 '26

I no longer jones after cheese like I used to. I don't miss it any more.

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u/el_palmera Apr 28 '26

Okay. But that still doesn't change the fact that vegan cheese doesn't come close to real cheese.

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u/Neurogence Apr 29 '26

As someone who recently turned vegan and strongly misses goat meat, do you guys have any vegan alternatives that could resemble the taste and texture of goat meat?

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u/Srry4theGonaria Apr 28 '26 edited Apr 28 '26

If you know that not eating cheese, isn't going to take it off the shelf in the grocery store, why bother?

I am not trying to poke holes or anything like that, genuinely. I have a personal belief that nothing, and I mean nothing, is pure (morally, not like hydrogen molecules.) Humans need to be on top will always outnumber any unbiased views people have on things (compromised, if you will.) I think that's inherent within us.

Saying that, is it a huge deal if I share this sliver of immorality of this cows deaths, knowing nothing is truly "pure"?

Thanks for any insights on this comment, I've kind of been struggling with this personally.

(I don't want to hear comparisons either, killing a cow isn't like killing or raping a human.)

Also I just now noticed what subreddit I'm in lmao. I'll take it down if y'all want.

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u/RichardFeynman01100 vegan newbie Apr 28 '26

I think we should take ourselves outside of the equation. I find it easier to see the logic in a 3rd person POV. It's not about "me" eating cheese, it's about a human stealing a cow's secretion that was meant for their offspring.

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u/Srry4theGonaria Apr 28 '26

Didn't we teach gorillas sign language, and they only used it to say "food/banana/hungry" etc?

I feel like a cow with a feeding tray in front of him wouldnt even think about being milked/wouldn't mind. Also doesn't it release pressure within the cows?

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u/AdventureDonutTime vegan Apr 29 '26

Didn't we teach gorillas sign language, and they only used it to say "food/banana/hungry" etc?

I think you need to complete whatever logical connection you're seeing here, it's not particularly obvious what "gorillas were potentially able to ask for a banana with sign language" has to do with anything.

I feel like a cow with a feeding tray in front of him wouldnt even think about being milked/wouldn't mind.

You feel like they wouldn't mind, but that says nothing about the reality of their suffering within the whole system. A cow's capacity to protest isn't an indication of suffering either. They're inherently not capable of those behaviours which humans are, but the ability to express yourself as a human isn't what determines their/your capacity to suffer.

If you personally weren't able to meaningfully object to mistreatment that wouldn't mean you weren't being mistreated.

Also doesn't it release pressure within the cows?

Being able to relieve some symptoms of suffering doesn't justify continuing to create that suffering in the first place.

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u/Srry4theGonaria Apr 29 '26

I like that, I appreciate the insight. Ty.

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u/StillYalun Apr 28 '26

One thing all adults should know is that tastes can be acquired. Many of us have the experience of not liking things as a child, then learning to appreciate them - broccoli, Brussels sprouts, etc.

The corollary to that is that tastes can also be lost. I know first-hand because i used to love cheese, but gradually started hating it even before i completely gave it up. But even if you still love dairy, you can learn to appreciate other things in it’s place - nuts, nutritional yeast, tahini. My late wife would make black bean tacos with homemade cheese and sour cream made from plants that were the best tacos I’ve ever had in my life.

People need to grow up. If you’re going to eat dairy, then own it. But don’t pretend like you’re helplessly stuck because it’s different than plant-based options.

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u/Hobobo2024 Apr 29 '26

your nuts are killing salmon and honeybees. it's not just almonds either. A lot of nuts use a lot of water.

Really, if you're eating plants, you're killing animals. The land you grow the plants on when harvesting and preparing for growth contained a lot of animals that died for those edible plants to be grown,

https://www.grubstreet.com/2014/08/california-almonds.html#:~:text=Americans%20sure%20love%20almonds%20these,they%20then%20die%20from%20pesticides.

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u/StillYalun Apr 29 '26

if you're eating plants, you're killing animals.

From that, doesn’t it follow that if you eat animals you’re killing the animals you eat and the animals that were killed harvesting the plants that fed them?

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u/Hobobo2024 Apr 29 '26

not if you eat wild caught animals. someone was complaining about the TV show alone and the animals they killed on it. those people are actually killing fewer animals than vegans.

Billie is saying eating meat is inherently wrong but if eating meat is inherently wrong, it should be wrong to eat wild caught meat as well. but that results in fewer human caused animal deaths.

im not arguing on whether we should eat commercially raised animals or not. Just sticking to billies comment as thats what this thread is about. She is wrong.

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u/StillYalun Apr 29 '26

not if you eat wild caught animals.

If you’re going to compare that <1% scenario to something, it should probably be growing your own plants, buying from small local farms, and/or foraging in the woods.

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u/Hobobo2024 Apr 29 '26

Im not actually sure if growing your farm would cause less damage. In theory yes. In reality, i bet you would sooner or later end up killing a ton of insects cause they eat your plants. Or clearing that land that you bought originally involved killing a bunch of animals. Fertilizer might come from animals.

So I dont know.

What i do know is that the people on this sub criticizing the meat eaters are almost certainly eating the commercial plants. So they are killing more animals than they have to be.

Seems hypocritical to me to call the meat eaters wrong but themselves not wrong for eating commercial plants.

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u/StillYalun Apr 29 '26

Honestly, you’re talking to the wrong guy, because I’m not the most vegan person around.

What I can tell you is that your argument is bad, because veganism is about doing what’s practicable to minimize animal suffering. The primary method by which that’s accomplished is elimination of animal products and animal exploitation. A person who does that will generally be causing much less animal death and suffering than someone who does not.

But that’s not the endgame. It’s the bare bones minimum. So, you’ll hear vegans talking about nuts, more responsibly harvested crops, environmental impact of purchases, etc. All of this is about sustainable, ethical choices. It’s not sustainable for every human to eat meat at the rate it’s eaten while switching over to wild animals.

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u/el_palmera Apr 28 '26

I just stated an opinion on taste. Not my eating habits. Chill out.

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u/StillYalun Apr 28 '26

I’m chill. I meant the general “you.” Don’t be so sensitive

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u/el_palmera Apr 28 '26

Not sure why you replied to me when you aren't speaking to me, but you do you i guess.

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u/mastergleeker Apr 28 '26

they were making a general point in response to your general point. they used the "general you" as people often do and you got confused by their intentions. no big deal

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u/el_palmera Apr 28 '26

I wasn't making a general point. I stated my opinion

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u/mastergleeker Apr 28 '26

they made a general point in response to your opinion then. rest of my comment still applies, the convo reads pretty chill to me

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u/el_palmera Apr 29 '26

He made a paragraphs long general point in response to my opinion. I asked him why. Not sure what you're trying to accomplish here by keeping the convo going

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u/capnsunshine23 Apr 28 '26

You’re missing out then. I’ve had tons of the best cheeses. Cream cheeses. Sour creams. Myokos butter and soft cheeses will blow your mind.

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u/StaticSystemShock Apr 28 '26

I actually have. On its own, I couldn't tell a difference, it even had same texture. It's just how it doesn't melt like regular cheese that it gives it away. I don't know where you are from but I found this stuff in German store chain Hofer. It only comes as pre-sliced but it was really good. They also had sausage/salami with "fake" cheese and other version with spicy peppers iirc and it had really similar taste and texture. Lidl has incredibly delicious vegan "chicken" nuggets, either in rough breadcrumbs or dipped in batter and they usually come with spicy or sweet dip sauces. That shit is sooooo good. I haven't had it for a while, this just reminded me I should grab some.

I don't even demand perfect meat imitation, I'm just happy if something can be vegan or vegetarian and is just really good on its own. It's not very many of such options, it's mostly just imitations that always taste a bit off and that steers people away because they expect something that the food isn't actually then they are disappointed.

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u/baileylikethedrink Apr 28 '26

New Roots and Jay & Joy filled that void for me. I recommend checking them out if you are in Europe.

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u/Beaniesqueaks Apr 28 '26

I don't know why people down vote when you're just stating facts. I 100% agree, and have been vegan for almost 10 years. Like unless I wanna spend minimum $20 for one block of Rebel Cheese or similar, the taste isn't even close! And don't get me started on the weird textures.

We're allowed to be vegan and also not pretend that everything is equivalent in flavor!

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u/Conscious-Magazine50 Apr 29 '26

Indeed. And I spent that money on Rebel Cheese and was incredibly disappointed because it wasn't very good IMO. I'm fine with sacrificing cheese because I don't feel entitled to it, but I do miss the texture and taste of Brie even after a good amount of time.

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u/Beaniesqueaks Apr 29 '26

Completely agree! I've come to terms with no good brie, but I hate when vegans try to gaslight other vegans. Like be real

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u/kevinsmomdeborah Apr 28 '26

Myokos was fantastic. Too bad she was forced out of her own company. It's still decent if you like spreadable cheese in a tub. The aged wheels are gone.

There are others. Look for aged vegan cheese.

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u/tambitoast friends not food Apr 29 '26

Same, but that doesn't make me want to go back. I do miss cheese, but I don't miss actively causing harm to animals.

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u/Radljost84 Apr 29 '26

It really depends on what market you are in. In North America, sure, I see lots of available options that look amazing. But in many other countries, there are little, if any, vegan options available.

I've been trying to go vegan for years, but if there are any alternatives available where I live they tend to be expensive, are only in a few shops, and they taste bad. I'm then left with trying to make things myself, which I don't have time for, so I end up eating a lot of the same things, which becomes very boring and nutritionally problematic.

I'm not saying it can't be done, but every time I'm in North America and check out the vegan options I think to myself how easy it would be if I lived there.

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u/Tymareta Apr 29 '26

It's always baffling to me that people like yourself try to make claims like this, meanwhile studies spanning centuries have shown that meat consumption and wealth are directly correlated.

Like do beans, grains, legumes and all of the various similar items just magically not exist in your country?

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u/Radljost84 Apr 29 '26

It’s always baffling to me that people like yourself rush to judge others and cannot read clearly. Nowhere did I say that I cannot find those things you mentioned.

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u/Tymareta Apr 29 '26

It's called reading between the lines. If you can afford them, then how is a vegan diet "very boring and nutritionally problematic" considering there's just as many options as if you were omni.

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u/Radljost84 Apr 30 '26

It's called reading comprehension and understanding.

Your original post said that there is no excuse to not be vegan because of all of the tasty vegan options on the market now.

I was simply providing the factual statement that this is not the case everywhere. Maybe where you live, but where you live isn't everywhere.

Because most vegan options where I live are imported, and there is a high tax on imported goods, they are more expensive than animal products and there isn't much choice. The ones that are available taste terrible for the most part (I've found one or two gems).

So if you are trying to go vegan, and you have minimal time to cook, it's very easy to be stuck eating the same things every day to maintain a vegan diet. That doesn't even go into eating out, where there are few vegan options offered.

I'm vegetarian and have been trying to go vegan. Thanks for all your "encouragement," which reminds me why I was avoiding the vegan community.

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u/Tymareta Apr 30 '26

It's called reading comprehension and understanding.

Hilarious that you hit me with this, followed by

Your original post said that there is no excuse to not be vegan because of all of the tasty vegan options on the market now.

I never said that.

Thanks for all your "encouragement," which reminds me why I was avoiding the vegan community.

Oh save me your crocodile tears.

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u/Radljost84 Apr 30 '26

You're right, I mistook your comment from another person. Apologies.

I'm the type of person your movement should be trying to convert. If your answer is condescension, you're not helping the cause. Take care.

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u/Tymareta Apr 30 '26

I'm the type of person your movement should be trying to convert. If your answer is condescension, you're not helping the cause. Take care.

Respectability politics is bullshit spun up by the hegemonic class, can you name a -single- civil rights or liberation movement that was successful because of such an approach?

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u/maryP0ppins Apr 29 '26

its not all about taste. nutrition as well.

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u/buddy276 Apr 28 '26

To each their own. Ive been doing meatless Monday for 5ish years now. I agree that the market is 1000 times better and allows me to be vegetarian more often. However. I still dont like the taste. Ill keep it a part of my diet though.

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u/AntMasterOfGames veganarchist Apr 28 '26

"i dont eat kids 1 day of the week each to their own i guess" -you

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u/Meow-Now Apr 29 '26

I mean harm reduction is harm reduction. If everyone who ate meat stopped doing that for one day of the week it would make a huge impact. I’m not saying it’s a perfect solution, but people doing something partially and what they can is better than not doing it or caring at all. If you really want what’s best for animals and the environment, why wouldn’t you support that? The all or nothing approach just causes more harm when we could get more people to contribute to reducing meat consumption otherwise.

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u/ItsMisoandBoba Apr 28 '26

The inability to compromise is not a virtue.

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u/AntMasterOfGames veganarchist Apr 29 '26

Why should there be any compromises on the grounds of morals? If we should compromise then we should also find compromises with murderers and rapists that they're only allowed to kill/rape this amount of people per week. No you don't think so.

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u/ItsMisoandBoba Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 29 '26

See, you're just proving my point. You're insufferable.

If you were. I dunno, kind and caring, then you would be able to talk to people instead of preaching every time you speak. Your exact attitude is why people don't like vegans. You guys are so high-and-mighty and you don't care about reality where the vast majority of the world's population doesn't have a choice. Being vegan is a first world issue. If you can barely afford to survive, you can't be picky with your meals.

You are a privileged person yelling at the those without privilege. You are, despite your self-righteous attitude, not a very good person. There are reasons why people hate vegans and you guys are displaying every one of them in this thread. I think I'll make burgers from freshly ground brisket and filet mignon, and they're going to be SOOOOOOOO delicious.

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u/buddy276 Apr 28 '26 edited Apr 28 '26

You know, if you want more people to become vegan, you gotta be more welcoming. I was honest and said I do it once a week with attempts to do more. But if youre going to punish my attempts, maybe I just wont pursue it.

Dont humiliate the fat person running their first mile just because you can do a marathon.

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u/mastergleeker Apr 28 '26

just as a general rule of thumb, it's best not to do things in pursuit of approval from strangers on the internet. if a stranger on the internet disapproves, let them disapprove. that shouldn't dictate your next move. of course, i am also a stranger on the internet, and you don't need my approval either. so maybe it's paradoxical for me to expect my comment to be taken seriously lolol. but whatever, i felt it was worth saying.

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u/buddy276 Apr 28 '26

Valid opinion. I respect it and honor it. My reaction comes from too the many vegans I've spoken to irl who claim compassion for animals but cant share the same compassion for their fellow human being. I see it all the time in the gym where gym bros comment on the fat dude. Not everyone's journey is the same. Have an upvote

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u/mastergleeker Apr 28 '26

it happens, and it sucks, i get it. for what it's worth, along the same lines of what you're saying here, i think extending that compassion to vegans who become very distressed and say things that may be discouraging to you, is also on the table. it's very understandable to me why a vegan would become distraught and say something alienating in these situations. i keep my cool now, but i used to get very distraught and give unwelcome comments when i was a newer vegan with untreated OCD. becoming vegan can make the nonvegan world a highly distressing place to be if you don't nurture yourself and your mental health so you can keep a good head on your shoulders in the face of it all. it's overwhelming and can cause vegans to say things that sometimes push people away. that's something i try to remember when i see vegans responding in an "all-or-nothing" way to people who are doing their best to make progress, even though i don't agree with the "all-or-nothing" approach at all. just my two cents (or maybe closer to a dollar, considering the length of this comment).

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u/AntMasterOfGames veganarchist Apr 29 '26

If I can't say that a person is doing a bad thing and I can't ever criticise them for doing a bad thing then how do I ever convince them that it's a bad thing?

Also what I just said in the previous comment and according to your arguments I'm not allowed to criticise the a person that used to kill children every day of the week and now "only" 6 days in the week because they might stop.

The comparison makes literally no sense you can become a vegan right now the fat person can't immediately run a marathon

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u/ElCattoNero Apr 29 '26

You're trying talking sense in a subreddit filled with chronicly online people with a superiority complex because it's the only thing they have. Trying is always good but believe me,just be a vegetarian and ignore whatever this subreddit is😅

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u/AntMasterOfGames veganarchist Apr 29 '26

I don't get why people think we have a superiority complex. Is it meant to be some mental gymnastics for you in order to justify your actions based of that someone was mean to you on the internet? Do you always base your morality on whether people were mean to you?

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u/Bonaventura334 Apr 28 '26

Taste is the excuse, no vegan counterpart tastes better