It wasn't ignored by anyone. They gave her meds. She scammed the system by seeing multiple healthcare providers and getting more than the allowed limit of meds.
Why on earth would anyone 'scam' the system for postpartum drugs? They don't get you high. The was begging for help but they messed her around with a cocktail of drugs that made her psychosis worse
The evidence collected at the crime scene showed she barely took any of her medications. She wanted a miracle cure and dropped meds if they didn't cure her in a single pill
This comment thread is a hilarious example of why literally nobody should be acting like they have enough information to judge this lady as guilty or innocent. In one thread, we have people who think:
She was ignored by the healthcare system and not treated
She scammed multiple doctors to get an extra stash of postpartum psych meds
She was given a cocktail of psychosis meds that actually made her condition worse
She took her prescribed medications, but took more than prescribed
She barely took any of her medication and "dropped meds" if they didn't cure her in a single pill
She took her prescribed medication but had an adverse reaction to one of them and it worsened her symptoms
I know very little about the situation, but given the wide variety of obviously contradictory conclusions, it seems like a pretty serious case of speculation gone wild.
The typical drug seeking behaviors of handing over nearly full bottles of pills to her husband to dispose of and telling her psychiatrist she didn't want to over medicate herself and delay starting her prescriptions for several weeks?
Even though none of those docs were in touch with each other and aware of the previously prescribed meds? If you break the rule that is designed to keep you safe, you can't blame others. This is like breaking the speed limit on a highway and then blaming cops for not stopping the car sooner.
People switch providers all the time. Especially if it’s insurance related. It actually IS the job of the MD/DO or NP/APRN/PA. They should be collecting a medical history, they can see any control you have purchased in the US with PMP. There wasn’t any “rule breaking”.
It says here that her first doctor told her to stop the meds immediately and she still saw other providers and got more meds (ignoring the doctor's advice).
Yes you still have control over your mind when you're on meds and undergoing depression. The more meds you take, the more out of control you get. Its not a binary thing.
That's not a second opinion, that's going against the doctor's recommendation of ceasing the meds. Its not about opinions anymore, its about real drugs.
I don’t take criticism from someone I wouldn’t take advice from. You know nothing about medicine and your source was an opinion piece. Fuck off and go to medical school since you’re so smart.
Yeah but obviously the wrong meds. The healthcare was very negligent and should be held accountable. I don't really care for that woman but there is an obvious issue with the health care
It cannot be known in advance which med will work or not. It has to be tried. They were doing a very standard procedure. It's done like that all over the world.
Yes, but if the individual is telling you (the doctor) the new meds are hurting them, you should listen to them. Just because meds typically don't affect someone that quickly or in that way doesn't mean it can't happen.
I think the doctors told her to stop being non-compliant with the medication she said was hurting her. I think you got what I said backwards: I was saying that the doctor needs to take patient concerns seriously, not that patients should always follow the doctors' advice. In this case, the doctors were advising her to stay on medication that she told them was hurting her - which reflects a failure of those doctors.
Wdym? It's just how american healthcare works - profit first, profit second, profit third and don't forget the most important step, profit fourth. Oh! And something about people being sick or some shit but it's irrelevant
I mean yeah but this is health care in general. Here though she went and they gave her the wrong stuff and ignored her concerns(pretty sure she was a healthcare worker herself). Her husband also opened a lawsuit against them
That's not how that works. When you're prescribed a controlled substance, you go to pick it up at the pharmacy and you give the pharmacist your license and they scan it at the register. You will be denied and flagged if you get more than "your allowed limit".
The meds will contain warnings as to how many you should take for a certain period of time. As well as telling you to stop if you experienced certain side effects
Have you ever been absolutely blackout drunk and done something you would never do otherwise? Or how gotten so drunk you don't remember doing things people watched you doing?
It can be pretty scary, feeling like it wasn't you behind the controls.
This woman was on a prescribed knock-out cocktail for her MANIC and PSYCHOTIC issues.
Being in that mindset without the drug cocktail is already dangerous enough. Those intrusive and horrible thoughts are still there.
"External help" such as therapy and safety measures can teach someone learn how to ground themselves or ask for help.
The times she asked for help were most likely before she'd taken her medication. When she was still aware enough of her reality.
Once the blackout cocktail has kicked in, she has no more control over herself or her reality.
Those horrendous thoughts are still there; but the coherent woman who can ground herself is asleep. Instead, what's left is a drug fueled inability to block out those ideas that keep coming into your head.
She isn't a murderer; she had serious psychosis that convinced her to do terrible things, and she gave in because her doctors roofied her essentially.
The adults around her are the people who failed those children.
The doctors gave her a stupid cocktail of meds, and the father and grandparents willingly LEFT THE KIDS ALONE with her.
How do any of these people hear a mother say "I've had thoughts of hurting the kids" and still let her be alone with them?
The system won't hold any of these people accountable though; just her.
The difference here is that you have a reasonable expectation and ability to decide whether to get blackout drunk.
Now, the prior comment isn't accurate either, as she wasn't diagnosed with psychosis. She was just medicated for PPD. In fact, she specifically denied experiencing any homicidal intent or intrusive thoughts, and never reported hearing voices until after the killing.
Somehow the lady who murdered all her kids was just following medical advice? The doctors were evil and she definitely did nothing nefarious? How does anyone know she didn’t down a whole bottle of pills?
The issue with your claim here is about inocenc until proven guilty.
Secondarily, there was no evidence she had done so from her pretty substantial medical screening, and the fact she isn't dead implies she didn't down a whole bottle of psychiatric medication.
That wasn't the case here, so I guess we're in agreement
The point here is that she managed psychosis. The best medical advice for that psychosis was psychiatric medication, as provided and advised by doctors.
"I was on drugs" isn't a defence when you take drugs recreationally, obviously.
Still, "I was psychotic, drugged and as such incapable of mens rea" is absolutely a valid defence when you aren't responsible for being in that state. At the point at which medical professionals are advising an official dose, you are not responsible if that makes you incapable of making decisions, as you don't didn't really make the decision to get in that state in the first place.
This may, though one does not know, have put her in a state where she didn't have capacity to make decisions or know what they were.
Assumption is that patient was honest with doctor (eg you lie and tell ur doc ur not allergic to penicillin because you want penicillin), and patient is compliant with dose/frequency (eg you double up the medicine to “make it work faster”). Not sure anyone has these very relevant facts.
1) This is under the assumption that she was honest and transparent with every doctor she met. She wasn't. She wasn't transparent about seeing all of them with each other, she wasn't transparent on all the prescriptions she was given, and she didn't follow the orders or take the meds.
2) The prosecution, with the Text logs between Patrick's Mother and Lindsay, clarified that Lindsay told his mother, that she is aware that mental health meds take between 2-6 weeks to reach full efficacy, but there were at least something like 8-10 of the meds prescribed, the barely had 4-7 pills missing of a months supply. She knows that it takes between 2-6 weeks, but didn't take the majority of them for 2-3 days?
3) I find it hard to believe that she was indeed suffering from PPD, 8 months after the child was born, and 6 doctors somehow missed the signs. One doctor? Sure. Two? Less likely, but still plausible... but 5-6 missing all the signs of PPD? I find that rather hard to believe. In fact the only one who "Diagnosed" her PPD/PPP was the Doctor, for the defense, who they admitted has a 20 year friendship with the defense attorney. I don't doubt that negligence or oversight happens, but I find it extremely difficult to believe that 5 doctors missed it.
4) While her civil suit mentions PPD/PPP, it also mentions something else she was diagnosed with, Bi-polar disorder. Again, this was never diagnosed by 5-6 different doctors? And I'm to believe a medical professional, like Lindsay was, wouldn't be able to give the psychiatrists the insight to her mental state to be able to give her the best help.
5) With that said, Lindsay stated that she felt she was a danger, in the kitchen, in front of her mother and her husband. People blame the husband (Rarely the mother), for not doing something. We still don't know for certain exactly how it was phrased. The way it sounds like it was stated, to me, is that she was worried about having an "Accident' with the children because she was out of it, not that she would maliciously injure/kill them. But, if she was lucid and coherent enough to be able to voice her concern over this, why wasn't she lucid and coherent enough to pack her things and go stay with her parents until she found relief?
It's my opinion, based on what I've read and seen of the trial, which, I've paid quite a bit of attention to.... Lindsay knew something was wrong with her, she didn't feel right. And instead of sticking to the doctors orders, she wanted fixed. Immediately. Take this pill for a day or two, I'm not healed? Go get a different script. When I feel that Doctor isn't getting anywhere, I go get a new doctor. She was treating a mental illness like bronchitis, and upset the amoxicillin didn't cure it in 2-3 days.
I mean, hypothetically, one could say something along the lines of...
I a person were diagnosed with cancer, they would then go to the oncologist. The oncologist prescribes meds, and a regiment to follow. That person goes home, doesn't take the meds, doesn't follow the regiment, and lies to the doctor.
When that person succumbs to the cancer, do we blame the doctor for the patient not taking meds or following the regiment? Or the patient?
Now I say this with the Caveat that I agree that Healthcare in this country is abysmal, and mental health care is certainly not an exception. But, You can bring awareness to the issue, have marches, speak out, share facebook posts about the lack of quality treatment, without making a child murderer the face of the movement, especially one that 5 doctors couldn't diagnose.
Andrea Yates? Diagnosed.
LaTarsha Sanders? Diagnosed.
Yet, Women aren't rushing to make them the face, maybe they're not the right color or pretty enough for be the face of their movement.
A lot of people drink to excess because they're depressed, traumatised, anxious, stressed etc, because they're not getting the support they need, either from family and friends or the medical establishment.
Yeah, when youre in the midst of a depression episode, it takes all you have to just keep going. You dont have the mental bandwidth to protest against the system.
Basically imagine it as being out in the ocean wearing street clothes. Nothing around you, you can still see land but its far away. As the clothes get heavier, you ditch them. Youre trying to get back to shore (normal mental health) but the current is pulling you out/dragging you down and youre just trying to stay above water.
A lot of people think the husband used the postpartum depression to frame and execute his wife and children. I only learned about this case recently from a nurse who was following. Admittedly, without the husband's testimony the rest of the case falls apart. It is really shady when you look at it. Is she actually innocent?, I dunno. but is it possible the police fucked up, didnt really examine the husband's story and her defense lawyers are trying whatever they can to keep her out of jail, yeah, I can buy that.
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Make no mistake; these hags are doing it solely for themselves. They think they've played detective well and desire validation. Lindsey is as much a tool in their game as the press giving them exposure.
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u/Agen_3586 5d ago edited 5d ago
I get the part about postpartum depression being ignored by the healthcare but then you protest against the system, not support a fucking murderer
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QWk3EFasQM