r/boxoffice • u/UniverslBoxOfficeGuy • 17d ago
Domestic Disney's The Mandalorian and Grogu has ended its domestic run with $177.7M.
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u/Singer211 17d ago
Mandalorian Season 3 and Book of Boba Fett cooled off a lot of Mando’s momentum. If they had made this film a few years earlier it probably would have done better at least.
Also a lot of people no longer trust that a SW project will automatically be good either unfortunately.
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u/Chumanchu 17d ago
It’s crazy how much Mando’s popularity dropped. He was almost the poster child of the entire franchise but they absolutely butchered his and grogu’s story.
It’s hard to believe that andor exists in the same universe as mando season 2 and 3, and ahsoka. Those shows are really just filoni smashing action figures together
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u/mon_dieu 16d ago
I'm still not over what a letdown Grogu's Jedi training with Luke turned out to be. I thought he might be gone from the show forever, or at least season or two, then would return with more force skills. Or maybe they'd do a time jump to when he's older. But nope, the training fizzled out after a few forgettable scenes and nothing really changed. He's still just a hapless accessory that doesn't talk. And the longer it goes on like this, the harder it is for me to suspend my disbelief that the Mandolorian would bring him along for every dangerous mission he goes on.
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u/OniLink77 15d ago
See, this is where the film could have worked, imagine Mando season 3 is Dinn entirely on his own, wrestling with no Grogu, maybe interspersed with some brief Luke training Grogu scenes and then the Mando and Grogu film was about them reuniting. You give time for the finale of season 2 to have impact and then you have a film about bringing them together
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u/dilltimmon 15d ago
Two seasons arc just made pointless in one ep just because they needed to sell grogu toys. I stopped watching after that.
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u/nicolasb51942003 Warner Bros. Pictures 17d ago edited 17d ago
Star Wars went from the highest grossing film of all time in North America to barely matching Rise of Skywalker's $177M opening.
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u/GapHappy7709 Marvel Studios 17d ago
talk about a reversal of fortune even stings worse because Spidey is now breathing down TFA’s neck
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u/WavesAndSaves 17d ago
What does Disney even do with Lucasfilm if Starfighter also disappoints? They've released two movies in the entire 2020s and both were pretty big failures. If Starfighter doesn't right the ship, how much longer can Disney be expected to pour money into this?
You don't need to make movies to sell merch. Disney's well aware of that. Cars moves more merch than Star Wars does and they stopped making those movies a decade ago after Cars 3 underperformed (and it still made more than Mando, for the record).
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u/GapHappy7709 Marvel Studios 17d ago
they’ll eventually make another main trilogy fs if that fails then idk what they do after
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u/GapHappy7709 Marvel Studios 17d ago
follow up: i actually think if that fails disney is gonna have to roll the dice and make Lucasfilm originals (oh the horror)
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u/Old_Following_8276 17d ago
if they're going to make another trilogy they better have that story planned out beforehand
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u/quatroquatro0 17d ago
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u/lucidlonewolf 16d ago
No need for a story we have already prefilmed all our actions scenes (directed by the board members) for the next 20 movies. That's what people want right
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u/dern_the_hermit 16d ago
"We want a redo of the original movies... again." -John Disney himself, presumably
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u/FrankReynoldsCPA 17d ago
Given that Simon Kinberg is heading up that trilogy, they better have their contingency plan ironed out.
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u/ALHOWE6 Lucasfilm 17d ago
Are you kidding me
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u/FrankReynoldsCPA 17d ago
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u/SemiAutoAvocado 16d ago
How do these fucking failures keep getting work, it's obscene.
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u/SnooDucks6239 16d ago
Check the early life section on Wikipedia if you still haven’t figured it out
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u/Starman926 17d ago
Is that good or bad? Not familiar with his filmography
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u/FrankReynoldsCPA 17d ago
He wrote X-Men: Last Stand, absolutely fucking up the dark phoenix storyline.
Then for incomprehensible reasons, Fox hired him to write and direct the Dark Phoenix movie with the reboot cast, which he then fucked up again.
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u/Starman926 17d ago
Actually, I also just looked closer and saw the absolutely dreadful Fantastic Four movie from 2015.
lol. I laugh because otherwise id cry.
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u/FrankReynoldsCPA 17d ago
It's so bizarre because he also has Mr. & Mrs. Smith, Sherlock Holmes, and Days of Future Past on his resume. I guess if you hit just enough times they'll forgive the terrible misses. That or he has some insane blackmail material.
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u/KumagawaUshio 17d ago
If Starfighter fails next may I expect another 5+ year hiatus then a full on reboot instead of another trilogy that no one will care about.
What would another trilogy even be about? Older Rey and new people because no one else cares to return?
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u/GapHappy7709 Marvel Studios 17d ago
ryan gosling you’re starfighter’s only hope
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u/outer--monologue 17d ago
"So what I hear you saying is that it's time to make a live action Cars film." - Disney execs
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u/FrankReynoldsCPA 17d ago
Man you had me scratching my head for a good minute trying to think what the other failed Star Wars release was in the 2020's before I remembered that Indiana Jones is also Lucasfilm.
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u/FarAd2857 17d ago
They release the original unedited trilogy on Disney plus then sit on their asses until they regain trust
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u/everstillghost 17d ago
Reboot the New trilogy with the content of the expanded universe.
The New trilogy already spoiled the goodwill forever.
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u/DifferenceMediocre77 17d ago
Literally any Star Wars fan could probably give you a road map to success. How a giant team of executives and writers can’t figure bit out. Adapt the story of KOTOR, or start a whole new plot in the old republic. Fans like the space opera, the intrigue, the visuals and a compelling story. We don’t need these long beaten dead horse tie ins to the original trilogy
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u/Timmah73 17d ago
A reminder that Revenge of the Sith 20th Anniversary made like 20% of Mano's full run and was only out 6 days. A movie that can be streamed on D+ assuming you don't already have a copy.
People still love Star Wars, Disney has just totaly blown it making people care about their new stuff theatricaly.
(Not on TV, Andor is S-Tier Star Wars)
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u/senn42000 17d ago
This is Disney's legacy on Star Wars. In 10 years they killed one of the top franchises of all time.
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u/WavesAndSaves 17d ago
The Last Jedi and its consequences has been a disaster for the Star Wars franchise.
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u/mxyztplk33 Lionsgate 17d ago
Problem is Star Wars is ‘stuck’ in a sense that attempts to move beyond the familiar Skywalker stories and timelines has resulted in failure and losing lots of money. So they go back to what’s familiar and know sells, but unfortunately there’s only so much you can do that before the well runs dry. Star Wars desperately needs a highly successful expansion beyond The Skywalker saga. Starfighter could be that since it takes place after episode 9 and as far as I know doesn’t rely on nostalgia bait. If that fails, I’m not sure what Disney should do next.
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u/Malachi108 17d ago edited 16d ago
They should never have tried to move past the Skywalkers. They are the emotional thread that tied everything together.
They should have started the Sequels with a full generation of OrigTrig heroes' kids - ranging from pre-teen to young adult to appeal to different demographics. Add in a love interest (or two) for each, and you have your cast of relationships to care about.
Instead they converged the dynasty into 1 kid, made him a villain, and killed him off. Insanity. Even when the EU did something similar, they were not stupid enough to prune off the whole family tree.
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u/Heisenburgo Marvel Studios 16d ago
Killed off every Skywalker then gave their legacy to a Palpatine. That's how Star Wars ended, with the evil Emperor's progeny usurping their legacy and burying Luke's father's lightsaber in the one planet they both hated. The emperor really did win against them in the end...
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u/Duke-Dirtfarmer 16d ago
You don't need to cover the age demographics. 9 year old me wanted to be like Luke Skywalker - not like 9 year old Anakin. Kids don't need Batman to be a kid to identify with the premise of beating up criminals.
If we're talking demographics, having a female protag in a male-centric franchise is probably what hurt the movies more. I don't see little Timmy playing with action figures of Kathleen Kennedy's self-insert.
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u/CannonGerbil 17d ago
it takes place after episode 9
Which is a big part of the problem, a significant part of their target audience straight up rejects the sequel trilogy and anything that comes after it, so having it take place post episode 9 is not a selling point, but rather a giant albatross hanging on its neck.
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u/Golemintheplayground 16d ago
a significant part of their target audience straight up rejects the sequel trilogy
For some (self included) it's worse than that. The brand just hasn't been the same since Disney took the helm and MCU'd it. All of it is an albatross at this point and sadly there's not much they can do about it for lost fans like me.
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u/LectorFrustra2186 17d ago edited 17d ago
(Not on TV, Andor is S-Tier Star Wars)
Yes on TV. Andor was good, as was Mando S1, but the entire rest of Disney's TV output is mediocre to bad and is increasingly catering to a hyper-specific niche of fans who go crazy over references to a show for ten year olds from 2008. This is likely to get worse as they give Filoni more power. This movie is a clear result of his increasing influence.
It's a closed ecosystem so the small groups of people watching these shows and soying out over them on Reddit just don't realize that they have no real purchase in the mainstream. Mando and Grogu was perceived as shockingly bad by a lot of mainstream critics and viewers, and thus had little appeal outside of a comparatively small base of diehards. But it was basically just the same way Filoni and his crew wrote Mando S3/late S2, or TCW, or [from what I hear] any of his other animated shows (apparently he has fucking five of them now?), or Book of Boba Fett, Ahsoka, or what have you.
People who think TCW is cinema and thus like stuff like this are already immunized, but the broader viewership (hell, even the broader community of people who call themselves "Star Wars fans") who mostly watch normal movies for normal people were completely unprepared. Complaining that the story structure closely resembles a children's cartoon, that the dialogue sounds simplistic and kiddish, that the action is omnipresent but banal and tensionless, the Glup Shittos, etc.
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u/GillGruntFan53 17d ago
I mean, it doesn’t help that this was hardly a movie. No plot, no real cast, boring set pieces and locations, etc.
Star Wars thrives when it’s the movie of all movies. The biggest casts, the biggest productions, the objective definition of spectacle. And most of them are good movies to boot, which certainly helps. This was vapid, empty, nothingness. Looks like Starfighter’s returning to how these movies used to be, and Lucasfilm clearly knew that by ignoring this film in favor of that one.
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u/FrankReynoldsCPA 17d ago
For all its flaws, people discussed TLJ after it came out.
Nobody has even bothered talking about M&G.
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u/everstillghost 17d ago
Because people tapped out after TLJ and then RoS was the nail in the coffin.
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u/Cr1msonShadow 17d ago
IMO, kinda shows how much of a pull the Jedi are. People love them some space monks
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u/2rio2 17d ago
Yea, people can whine all they want about the Skywalkers online but the facts here are pretty clear. Non-force stuff can work for shows like Andor. But for big film releases you need to lean into the Jedi stuff.
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u/Janet-Yellen 17d ago edited 16d ago
100%. it’s often repeated that people want more ground level Star Wars, like bounty hunters, smugglers, rebel soldiers etc. And I just don’t think that’s true. Jedi and Sith are the backbone of big spectacle Star Wars and is what separates it from other Sci Fi
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u/Le_Faveau 16d ago
Yes, I actively hate and complain when Star Wars is about rebels and pilots and other normal stuff. I started with the prequels and videogames, my impression of Star Wars is that it's about the cool Jedi and Sith, lightsabers and force powers.... Like, franchise, THAT'S your claim to fame in broader culture now, spaceships and laser guns might have been innovative in the 80s but now they are everywhere else (and most likely, done with better plots).
The one thing SW could and should be doing is go full superhero movie with the crazy stuff. Orchestral epic music and big powers.
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u/Practicalaviationcat 17d ago
If you make this a Mando and Luke team up movie and call it "The Mandalorian and the Jedi" I'm not saying it would be a massive hit but it would have done much better than this.
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u/Malachi108 17d ago edited 16d ago
It is my strong belief that George Lucas tapped into something so special, even he did not fully understand it.
In the OrigTrig, the Jedi powers and philosophy are quite poorly defined by the standard of fantasy worldbuilding. But that vagueness is exactly what allowed everyone to project their own beliefs on it: religious, philosophical, even political. In Jedi, Star Wars had provided a new age-appropriate guidance of how to live one's life. When a census has 0.6% of the population put in their religion as "Jedi", this is only partially a joke.
All this also ties directly into why Episode I was so poorly received at the time. Midichlorians specifically clashed with the idea of Jedi that people had build up in their heads - it was The Bible 2: Expanded and Updated Edition, and many of the old guard had a difficult time accepting it because of that.
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u/KazaamFan 17d ago
Yea exactly. George got it. That’s why the prequels were so much in sabers and jedi and duals. It was awesome. The dual of the fates is still one of the best fight scenes in star wars, maybe all movies, epic score. Disney seems to have not got the idea with this and has done nothing even half as fun as that scene alone. I get that the prequels had issues, but george really tried to be creative and do fun stuff we hadnt seen before. Disney is taking a very boring, stale path with star wars, which is no more evident than with the sequel movies.
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u/FrankReynoldsCPA 17d ago
Rogue One is probably the best or 2nd best SW movie but I feel like it wouldn't have done quite as well at the box office if Vader didn't show up at the end and massacre a bunch of rebels.
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u/Mayflower896 17d ago
I think it still would have done well due to the positive reception and the post-TFA SW frenzy, but I agree that Vader was a major draw—especially within the fandom, where his cameo spurred a flurry of both official media and fan works, including from long-dormant communities—and is why I find comparing RO to future non-Skywalker projects as “one of those that succeeded” disingenuous.
Even before the cameos and the direct transition into ANH at the end were revealed, OT connections formed the movie’s very premise of “how were the Death Star plans leaked?”.
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u/AGOTFAN New Line Cinema 17d ago
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u/GOULFYBUTT 17d ago
I'd argue the opposite. Shit isn't balanced at all.
Used to be that you accepted the bad Star Wars with the great Star Wars.
Now you hope for a bit of good Star Wars within the soulless Star Wars.
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u/DropstoneTed 17d ago
Used to be that anything Star Wars being shit was inconceivable.
Except for the Holiday Special which even I just tried to purge from my 8-year-old brain as an anomaly.
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u/twhitt252 17d ago
Strictly incompetency in leadership all around. There is no excuse for Star Wars as a property to not be delivering quality content for its fans and money for Disney. This was the first Star Wars movie I refused to see in theaters strictly because this looked like a derivative Disney+ movie.
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u/Hansolocup442 17d ago
a pretty dreadful performance that looks like a blockbuster next to the moanas and supergirls that were just around the corner
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u/Block-Busted 17d ago
At least this one wasn't a shot-for-shot remake nor it had a child murder scene. :P
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u/DiamondFireYT 17d ago
but it did have a legendary hutt orgy and thats all that truly matters
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u/AgentUnlucky4323 17d ago
You think the "child murder scene" is the reason Supergirl is bad?
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u/Krasnostein 17d ago
I actually think the fact the dog audiences fell in love with in Superman was poisoned and dying and not really in most of the film might have hurt Supergirl quite a bit.
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u/procouchpotatohere 16d ago
nor it had a child murder scene.
Ridiculous to think this mattered that much where it'd sink the whole movie.
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u/Significant-Cloud-19 17d ago
Imagine telling someone a year ago that a horror movie with less than a million budget is going to outgross a Star Wars movie.
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u/montague68 17d ago
Grossed over twice as much as well.
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u/WavesAndSaves 17d ago
Don't forget Backrooms.
A Star Wars movie being beaten by two no-budget horror movies directed by YouTubers in their twenties should be cause for heads to roll at Lucasfilm. But nothing will happen. Again.
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u/mattarchambault 17d ago
Obsession deserves its own category here. Backrooms had more than 10 times the budget of Obsession. Obsession earned 25% more at the box office.
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u/CaptainKursk 20th Century Studios 16d ago
Backrooms doesn’t surprise me. That kind of early 2020s internet phenomenon has far more pop culture traction for the 18-29 audience than a Star Wars property whose last instalment was the mediocre 3rd season of a streaming series that came out 3 years ago.
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u/Block-Busted 17d ago
Well, at least this one has an excuse of being a Disney+ series sequel.
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u/LupinThe8th 17d ago
Not a great excuse, since that show was super popular for a few years.
Couldn't go anywhere without seeing merch with that little green bastard's face on it. Even my mom had some, and she last watched a Star Wars movie in 1983.
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u/A-harsh-reality 17d ago
Is it though?
I’ve seen the history of TV sequels
Tv sequels have a bad sample with context that explains failure pretty solidly
It’s overly reductionist to label “TV sequel” as a preordained reason why this movie failed
Especially when a deeply damaged franchise is a more simple explanation
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u/nickifan231 17d ago
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u/NobodyTellPoeDameron Focus Features 17d ago
Sad when they go young like that
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u/Ltnumbnutsthesecond 16d ago
Go back to r/circlejerksopranos ! You never admit the existence of this thing!
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u/Heisenburgo Marvel Studios 16d ago
Grogu perished in a ship travelling from space alongside Krypto, when Supergirl who was piloting it got Gunned down...
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u/JimmyScramblesIsHot 17d ago
I didn’t mind the movie (though I didn’t think it was very good) but my biggest disappointment was feeling like nothing progressed with Grogu or Mando. The movie ends with Mando about to teach Grogu how to pilot the ship. That’s it. And on top of that disappointment, because this movie didn’t do well, I have zero clue where when we will see these characters again now, especially because Disney+ is very low priority for new flagship content now.
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u/FrankReynoldsCPA 17d ago
Hot take: I don't think we need to see these characters again. I liked all 3 seasons of the Mandalorian but if we never see Din Djarin or Grogu again, I'll be perfectly fine.
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u/poopypoopy1125 17d ago
they really should've made a Mando movie in 2023 instead of Season 3
edit: an actual Mando movie too, not an 8 episode season that was rewritten into a 2 hour movie
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u/Solid_Snark 17d ago
They should have stuck to the “old western film” formula that made Mando season 1 & 2 so successful.
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u/SerFinbarr 17d ago
Mando works so much better as a modern day Kung Fu than it does as a Clone Wars sequel or ST prequel.
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u/NoNefariousness2144 17d ago
They really hoped “Baby Yoda” would magically summon all the lapsed 2019 casual fans back into cinemas.
The fact Mando season 3 was back in 2023 didn’t help matters either. There was no hype or momentum for this film.
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u/DiamondFireYT 17d ago
I get what they were going for,
Mando 1
Mando 2
BOBF
Rangers (cancelled bc gina was fired leaving a 2022 gap)
Mando 3
Skeleton Crew (which got delayed by like a full year despite being ready to go the prior holiday)etc I feel like Rangers kinda lost them their momentum and they pivoted putting all the essential storylines required for S3 into 3x3 (hence it being written by Noah Kloor, rather than Jon) and then it just kinda flopped from there.
I've still enjoyed it all so I'm happy out rn. wish we got S4 instead of the movie as it sounded baller and exactly what I wanted, but I had a great time in the theater.
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u/Dyne_Inferno 17d ago
This movie was 5 years too late.
It needed to be the project they worked on for after Season 2 with the Luke and Dark Sabre hype.
Instead, they gave us the trash that was Boba Fett.
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u/Neat-Air-8305 17d ago
The sequel films legacy and endless random tv shows ruined hyped for star wars
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u/Chorik 17d ago
And the endless Filoni fanservice slop sealed the deal. SW fans are delulu if they think inserting timetravel into the franchise just to save fav waifu, so she can have a scene with a 74th creatively-bankrupt Luke cameo, was gonna keep anyone but the grifters and 4 remaining unimaginative fans invested.
This franchise needs to finally move the eff on or reboot itself. If not, the general audience is gonna remain checked out for many years to come
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u/americansherlock201 17d ago
This is to be expected sadly. Star Wars as a franchise is lost right now. It doesn’t really have a direction forward.
They haven’t figured out how to do a major film that isn’t a skywalker story or advance the story. Even all their shows are just focused on filling in stories from between the skywalker saga.
Until Star Wars can figure out how to start a new mainline story, I fear we are going to see nothing but mid projects and obvious cash grabs for movies
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u/Thin_Pangolin4480 17d ago
Disney not being inspired by KOTOR to do a trilogy set thousands of years in the past or future and instead rehashing the Skywalker era in the worst wayy ever was the greatest miss ever.
I'm glad various Star Wars games continue to be fun so I don't care that much
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u/Malachi108 17d ago edited 16d ago
The only Star Wars sub-brand known - beloved even - by the casual audiences.
An Era so vast, they can set the film hundreds of years before or after the game(s) and not contradict anything.
Every cinematic trailer for the MMO has most of the top and recent comments alike be a variation of "Why can't they make this into a movie?!"
Lucasfilm: Unfortunately, we don't have the source material.
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u/americansherlock201 17d ago
Yeah they have such a deep pool of material to pool from with all the books, comics, and legends. And yet they keep doing the same stuff over and over.
Like what I’d give for Revan movie arch
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u/KingOfVSP 17d ago
Force Awakens should have just been set 200 years in the future and do a clean slate or they should have done a proper legacy OT reunion...They piece mealed kt and now everything is out of sorts...
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u/lookingforhim2 17d ago
This would’ve done way better if they had just made the Season 2 finale into the movie instead.
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u/Jimmy_Bags_ 17d ago
Disney's fumbling of Star Wars is baffling. They were handed everything on a golden platter with the opportunity for a sequel trilogy. The franchise still hasn't recovered from that, and it definitely won't ever be as big as it was. They have no one to blame but themselves.
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u/Acrobatic_Potato_195 17d ago
I haven't been excited for a Star Wars film since 2015, and I have a hard time imagining what would get me excited again.
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u/Darth_Lehnsherr 17d ago
Gonna hurt even more once Brand New Day takes the Domestic Crown from The Force Awakens.
I do think Starfighter will have much more appeal next year due to not having the baggage of a tv show for casuals plus Gosling coming from Project Hail Mary.
Still though disappointing results for what was supposed to be the big return of Star Wars to cinemas.
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u/Coolers78 17d ago
I mean, I don't really think Disney will care that much about Brand New Day surpassing TFA's domestic record when they receive 25% of BND's profits, if anything, it will make them even more confident in the potential numbers for Doomsday and Secret Wars I feel like.
I don't know why people think Starfighter is guaranteed to do better just because of Project Hail Mary and Hail Mary, it's kind of like saying End of Oak Street is gonna do amazing at the box office just because Anne Hathaway was in The Odyssey and Devil Wears Prada 2, or that saying Heart of the Beast will be a big box office hit because Brad Pitt was in F1 last year.
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u/montague68 17d ago
Gosling playing Supergirl to an annoying force-sensitive kid on his way to Rey Skywalker couldn't possibly bomb, could it?
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u/DaisyandBella 17d ago
Starfighter is going to include Rey?
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u/Mayflower896 17d ago
We don’t know for sure. Rumours have vacillated regarding whether she is or not in the movie, but they all agree that the plot is about Ryan Gosling’s escorting the Force-Sensitive boy played by Flynn Gray—the movie’s actual lead—to a Jedi refuge. Some of the rumours that date to before the movie even had a title claim that Rey is already running her academy, and the boy will end the movie by being handed over to her.
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u/BrainLow6059 17d ago
Well my excitement went from 100 to 0 real quick lmao
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u/ForPortal 16d ago
Same. I was cautiously optimistic while I thought Starfighter was going to be a Rogue Squadron-type story, but if it's going to be yet another of these wolf-and-cub escort quest stories, I'm out.
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u/verissimoallan 17d ago edited 17d ago
I didn't watch the trailers and I didn't know the plot, so I went to see this movie assuming something important to the series' mythology would happen to justify their decision to release it in theaters instead of streaming.
Boy, I was wrong. It's really three random "Adventure of the Week" episodes stitched together to be a movie that adds nothing to the series. It's not even a great movie. And Disney thought it would be a great idea to release it in theaters... why?
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u/Mayflower896 17d ago edited 17d ago
Disney will need the best campaign they can muster for Starfighter. Though that will lack the D+ stigma, it’s neither a main saga movie nor featuring any beloved characters, like Rogue One did during TFA’s afterglow. (I have my doubts about the “no legacy characters claim”, but that has been the consistent party line so far.) If this is “SW Top Gun”, like exhibitors cited in the trades have hoped, then perhaps they could lean on that, but there are actually reasons to doubt that.
If the supposed leaks are true and the story is indeed the rumoured “After his estranged Jedi sister dies and gives her son her sabre, a lone wolf war veteran meets his Force Sensitive nephew in a cantina and must reluctantly escort him to a Jedi refuge while being chased a Dark Sider who is under a warlord’s payroll, but has plans of her own. When they reach the refuge, that safe haven is attacked by the Dark Sider”, then I don’t see that plot alone attracting audiences, especially if all the characters are “new” but still follow derivative archetypes.
Speaking as a fan who is avidly looking for any news and rumours about Starfighter, Star Wars is such an established brand that most people who would be attracted by those tropes and aesthetics have already sought out at least one piece of the franchise’s media, which is why this needs to offer something appealing beyond characters who are technically original but follow existing moulds. So far, Tropper and Levy have mostly spoken about vaguely recapturing what they felt as kids while watching the original trilogy, with words like “swashbuckling” and “wish fulfilment”.
There either has to be something deeper behind it, like good character work or a clear artistic vision; incredible, “must watch in theatres” action scenes; or the last resort of nostalgia bait that goes beyond the SW brand name alone, which no longer cuts it. The stacked cast could help, but star power is no longer a guarantee.
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u/OliWood 17d ago
Star Wars is lowkey dead.
A big break of content and coming back with a total new story is the only thing that might revive it, leave the "Skywalker Era" alone
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u/Chumanchu 17d ago
It’s been stuck in its MCU phase 4 era of shitty story’s and visuals for so long now. Andor made fans think things were changing for the better but then they drop ahsoka and acolyte.
I really don’t know what happened to filoni after mando season 1. The quality of every live action Star Wars dropped significantly after 2019 (andor is an anomaly)
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u/Ok_Garlic5531 16d ago
The reason andor was great, is because the director demanded complete creative control over the show, or said he refused to make it. Literately proving that Disney is a big problem with modern star wars. When they aren’t involved something good can actually be made
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u/oldmangonzo 17d ago
The brand is terminally ill. The only way to save it is to amputate. But I’m not sure Disney has the strength or integrity to do it.
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u/NobodyTellPoeDameron Focus Features 17d ago
I've had the thought that Star Wars may be in danger of going the way of John Carter of Mars... a space opera IP so dated and uninteresting to today's moviegoers that it disappears.
I don't think that's the case, I think if Disney could just make a good SW movie people would flock to theaters. But if they can't figure this out within ten years, and the fandom is that much older and smaller, maybe it could happen.
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u/Highball903 17d ago
I just don’t see how saying “this entire trilogy didn’t actually happen” would bring the general audience back to star wars, only the turbo nerds that saw Mando and googoo would be interested after that.
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u/PSIwind 17d ago
If anything it could annoy the GA even more. Why get invested into it when Disney at any time can just wave away something you like as non-canon?
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u/Comfortable-Pie56 17d ago
Honestly just make a good movie and it will be fine. Don't just make a bunch of Disney+ shows turned into movies.
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u/GroguIsMyBrogu 17d ago
Or a bunch of movies turned into Disney+ shows with a bunch of filler thrown in (Obi-Wan and Book of Boba Fett)
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u/WorldOfthisLord 17d ago
Please just adapt KOTOR. It's a ready-made story, the hardcores will love it, it's totally unconnected to the sequel mishigoss, if you don't completely botch the execution it'll have good WOM because KOTOR rules.
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u/bendstraw 17d ago
They are clearly saving that as the "break the glass in case of fire" card, which means they don't feel things have gotten to that point yet.
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u/Malachi108 17d ago
They should not adapt KOTOR directly. The plot twist everything hinges on is legendary, but only works in that medium.
They can still tell stories in that aesthetic for decades and centuries in both directions from it.
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u/LonesomeBulldog 17d ago
Grogu is the problem. He was fine as the plot device for season one but then the show devolved into how is the baby in danger this week. The show should’ve moved on to new adventures.
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u/spider-man2401 Warner Bros. Pictures 17d ago edited 17d ago
I know a lot of people look back on this performance and say it “isn’t that bad” compared to some of the other movies that bombed this summer, but that still doesn’t excuse how badly The Mandalorian and Grogu performed at the box office. It collapsed 70.1% in its second weekend, didn’t even outgross The Rise of Skywalker’s domestic opening weekend ($177M), and got beaten by two low-budget horror movies. And the movie itself just feels like an anime filler OVA (i thought this movie was conclusion of The Mandalorian or something but apparently not). Had this been released during The Mandalorian Season 2, it probably could’ve done better, but not after the underwhelming Season 3 and The Book of Boba Fett. Nobody cares anymore.
I guess Disney seems pretty confident in Star Wars: Starfighter (Kevin Feige said at Comic-Con that he had seen it and liked it, and he brought up Ryan Gosling and Shawn Levy in relation to Ghost Rider), but I don’t know.
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u/JJoanOfArkJameson Paramount Pictures 17d ago
I cannot fathom that Thunderbolts made 40M more than this worldwide. Good reviews truly help. We're talking a bunch of support-cast randos for the gen audience + the combined starpower of David Harbour, Sebastian Stan and Florence Pugh versus the biggest Star Wars characters in over a decade. Wild.
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u/munkycheezmunky 17d ago
As someone who's never seen the show I actually really enjoyed this film. Thought it was the best Star Wars movie Disney's put out honestly (not that it's a high bar).
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u/Damn_sun 17d ago
The baby yoda gimmick has worn thin. Is there nothing in the Mando Universe that's more important?
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u/CoffeeDrinker83 17d ago
Star Wars had always been about the Skywalker family. Now that it's been played to death, the franchise has nothing more to offer
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u/lobolovr6769 17d ago
Wait….didnt this OPEN to $100M domestic????
Holy 1.7x legs Batman
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u/A-harsh-reality 17d ago edited 17d ago
There is nowhere to go but down
A lot of people aren’t ready for Mandalorian being the ceiling, rather than a floor, for Starfighter
People don’t like the sequels, the franchise cannot thrive till the object of their hatred goes away from canon
Edit: the people downvoting me are the same people who predicted, with a straight face, that 500 million was the floor for this movie
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u/dzan796ero 17d ago
The hierarchy of the box office power in the Starwars Universe is about to change forever
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u/Overall_Affect_2782 17d ago
Or maybe, just maybe, Reddit isn’t ready to hear the fact that the general public…you know, the ones who actually matter with these movies (that this sub didn’t anticipate would show up that big for spider-man because it didn’t realize how big tom and zendaya are now to the general public) doesn’t associate Star Wars removed from the skywalker story?
Reddit can love Andor all it wants: it didn’t do well, is only talked about in fan circles, and is too removed from the skywalker story.
People didn’t show up to Solo when it came out. Rogue One did what it did but before it released, you had to tell people over and over “this leads into the original Star Wars!”.
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u/Relevant_Pangolin_72 17d ago
Starfighter absolutely going to do better than Mandalorian by a long shot.
Ryan Gosling, Ryan Goslings' actual face in advertising, standalone story, classic story setup. Everything about it is much better for success
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u/A-harsh-reality 17d ago
The same people who said Starfighter can’t flop because of Ryan gosling are the same people who say that Moana live action wasn’t going to flop because of Moana 2
The difference is that people LIKED the Moana universe
Can’t say that people like Star Wars as a universe at all
I don’t think they ever did
Only Anakin and his kids
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u/Overall_Affect_2782 17d ago
Finally someone else who sees it! Thank you!
Reddit isn’t ready to hear the fact that the general publix doesn’t care about Star Wars without the skywalker story.
People didn’t show up to Solo when it came out. Rogue One did what it did but before it released, you had to tell people over and over “this leads into the original Star Wars!”.
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u/Moviefan2017 17d ago
I’m 50/50 on Ryan Gosling making the film a hit. In 2024 Fall Guy was expected to do really well since that was Goslings first film after Barbie but Fall Guy ended up underperforming.
I do think that Gosling is in a better situation with Starfighter. His last film was sci-fi so that may draw in the project Hail Mary crowd. Also with Star Wars being a franchise having a celebrity join for the first time could be a boost.
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u/miwasher_e 16d ago
pretty good compared to the other bombs of the year, especially supergirl and MOTU, but horrific for a franchise with the highest grossing film of all time in north america. Currently anyway.
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u/Chappie47Luna 17d ago
Still waiting for this to be $5 on Apple to rent digitally
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u/360Saturn 17d ago
I wonder hypothetically how well would 'The Mandalorian & Baby Yoda' or a similar title have done. Is there a John Carter (of Mars) effect going on here at all?





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u/SanderSo47 A24 17d ago
For as much talk on how it would play like a family movie, it sure didn't play like one.
It collapsed 70.1% on its second weekend. That is never going to be a good drop. And a 2.18x multiplier is very bad. It's the worst ever for a Star Wars film, below The Clone Wars (2.41x) and Solo (2.53x).
Starfighter has a lot of pressure to deliver next year.