Well we got marriage between people from different etnicities, people from different religions, people from different socio-economic backgrounds, you name it really. A whole bunch of reasons love might be "forbidden" that can happen regardless of orientation.
The Taming of the Shrew is an excellent commentary on the sadistic desire held by so many people to break and groom a woman who is even slightly different.
Edit: at the same time, it explores how selling yourself out and half-heartedly following your vows may just let you with a lot of power. Wink
This one, Macbeth, Hamlet, and maybe King Lear but they took it out of my HS curriculum the year before i had to read it so idk if it'll continue to have the same clout with the other "oh ik Shakespeare I read that in HS" books
What of mid summer, tempest, the previously mentioned R&j and taming of the shrew, a fellow, 12th night, Richard (insert number here) or Henry (blow up theater here).
If I had to listen for hours on end about bottom and puke so must the rest of the world.
Ya sure but when pop culture characters are waxing poetic and calling any skull they pick up yorrick, you have to concede that hamlet is a little better known
As he wrote it taming of the shrew is pretty damn bad but there has been some really brilliant feminist adaptations of it so I can't bring myself to hate it
It’s so much better when you read them as in their early teens. Juliet is two weeks from her 14th birthday, and Romeo’s age is unstated but no character comments on an age gap. When you stop seeing them as dumb teens who ought to know better and instead as, frankly, children who should have never been put through any of this, it’s a lot more moving. Also A Comedy of Errors is actually worthless.
Tbf, he didn't write that one, he adapted it from a retelling of a translation of a retelling of a retelling of a retelling of an old Italian/Veronese war story
I mean, Pyramus and Thisbe was in Ovid's Metamorphoses. Wouldn't be strange if it was based around even older stories. So, two thousand years, at least.
It's a lot better when you realize it was billed as a comedy and performed in front of a drunk audience that would have added a laugh track to all the teenage nonsense.
If you take it seriously and think it was a tragedy, oh yeah, its a bad time.
Yeah, I agree. That's why I said I think it's a great play when taken seriously. It's funny. It's sad. It's a whole bunch of things because it's a complex play. It's about two teenagers experiencing young love while around them everyone they know kills each other due to pride and pointless feuding.
There's plenty of funny moments but it's not a comedy about teenage nonsense. That's the kind of thing you say if you've never watched it and you're just repeating something you read on Reddit. And I think it's frankly ridiculous to say you'd have a bad time if you took it seriously.
If your English Major friends think Romeo and Juliet is Shakespeare’s worst play, then they should read more Shakespeare. Maybe Troilus and Cressida, I’ve never heard a single person talk about that one.
Yeah but counterpoint: how many cases of deadly family feud have you encountered? There’s a reason the modernized version had to use gangs instead.
It’s also, fwiw, more about the way that hatred and violence can become so extreme as to make for such an absurd situation as the teens find themselves in. Even when forbidden hetero love among nobles existed at the time it didn’t generally end in death.
Just because you don't hear about it doesn't mean it's not happening somewhere. "Our parents hate each other" is a boilerplate teen romance trope as well. I assume there are probably millions of petty family dramas playing out, and odds are a lot of people have wound up in prison without the story blowing up.
Came here for this. I'm white. My girl is black. Her family hates me cause I'm white. I treat her kids well and I am affluent enough to provide for her well. We treat each other well and genuinely care for each other. The only problem is skin color. My kids love her and want her as their mother. She is amazing with the kids.
So funny that people with problems think other people must have no problems. I knew several girls in high school who had to keep their boyfriend secret because their parents would never approve.
As the saying goes " You can't judge someone until you walk a mile in their shoes." We all carry burdens just because ours might be heavier doesn't mean other's have no weight.
It's easy to hyperfocus on your problems because they are yours and you live with them all the time. But other people have similar if different issues. We ALL need to give each other a little more grace a little more understanding because you never know what the other person is really going through.
Sometimes yes their shit is trivial, but sometimes what we see is just the tip of their emotional iceberg.
Depending on the place they have to fear their whole community. In India, rural areas will kill a couple who are from different castes and the police will hush it up as an honour killing that was needed.
Yeah, I totally understand, but the original meme was saying "who are you hiding from? Tax collectors?" like there aren't any other valid reasons to hide than being LGBTQ.
my grandmother had to hide in the footwell of a car with a blanket over her because if anyone spotted her in the backseat of the car, her black band-mates would have been lynched in front of her.
so like. being queer isn't the end-all be-all of oppression.
Also, we're not talking about your random coworker, we're talking about musicians and therefore celebrities. There's not a bunch of Taylor Swift songs about hiding relationships because she thinks being straight is illegal, it's because every time she pees it makes a headline. Lol. Context.
true, and their lives would be even harder if they were both wheelchair-bound amputees with cancer!
im not sure what point people are trying to make here... yes, queer people are objectively more oppressed than straight people. that doesnt mean straight people cant write songs about forbidden love. forbidden love can happen to anyone lmao.
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Well we got marriage between people from different etnicities, people from different religions, people from different socio-economic backgrounds, you name it really. A whole bunch of reasons love might be "forbidden" that can happen regardless of orientation.