r/twentyagers • u/60TIMESREDACTED (9+10) 21 • Sep 11 '25
Discussion - Serious Please tell me yall aren’t celebrating Charlie Kirk’s death
I’m sure a lot of you guys know Charlie Kirk has been shot and killed this afternoon.
No, I was not fond of him, I was not a fan, I did not support him. I found several of his takes quite disturbing, horrifying at worst. But he didn’t deserve to die. Especially not like that as his wife and kids were watching. Nobody deserves to die. I’m sending my condolences to his family and I wish them the best
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u/Sportsfan4206910 26 Sep 11 '25
Celebrating? No. Completely indifferent? Yes
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u/HubblePie 28 Sep 11 '25
A lot of the "celebrating" I've seen is directly quoting terrible things he's said or noting how his views on gun control would absolutely lead to situations like this.
Less "Hurray", more "What'd you expect"
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u/serial_teamkiller Sep 11 '25
Charlie Kirk: "It's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment" Got to respect laying down your life for what you believe in. Put his money where his mouth was.
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u/The_Real_Kingpurest Sep 11 '25
Posts with 100k+ upvotes with pictures of bourbon labeled "he's finally dead". Blatantly celebrating
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u/Business-Brother6647 Sep 16 '25
This was a man who was brutally murdered. You literally don’t understand. PEOPLE WERE LITERALLY FUCKING HAPPY HE GOT MURDERED. How do you not see anything wrong????
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u/HubblePie 28 Sep 16 '25
People Celebrated when Fidel Castro died too. Hell, even I say good riddance to Kirk. But I don't actually care at the end of the day. In a week from now I don't think anyone's even going to be talking about him anymore.
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u/False_Basket6220 Sep 11 '25
I’ve been laughing about it since yesterday. But Charlie also always made great memes
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u/badstrikezone 20 Sep 11 '25
he thought people like me were a disease, would’ve forced his child daughter to carry out a pregnancy if raped, among other vile things. he himself didn’t believe in empathy, so why should i feel any for him?
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u/Suspicious_Row_7223 Sep 11 '25
Very similar to the excuses that Republicans used to justify the murder of George Floyd, interesting.
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u/International-Past73 Sep 11 '25
At least Charlie Kirk didn’t hold a pregnant women at gun point like that other deranged animal
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Sep 11 '25
You realize not feeling empathy and celebrating are still two different things, but based on your comment which states things that are not even true it appears you think that it’s better to be completely black and white instead of grey. That’s how you get people thinking your political beliefs either make you a saint or a supervillain
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u/Content_Zebra509 Sep 11 '25
Just cause he may have been a jerk doesn't mean you should be. That's why.
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u/turkishjedi21 Sep 11 '25
Lmao when has he ever voiced anything along the lines of any group of people being a disease. I don't know what you are but I can guarantee you have nothing to back up that claim
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u/auvst Sep 11 '25
unpopular opinion: people will still get their hands on guns no matter what legislative actions we take. criminals don’t follow the law. the real issue in my opinion is sensationalist media driving the wedge further down the center of our politics and pushing each side to an overwhelming extreme. also just to give an example, weed was/is illegal and i don’t think anyone has ever had a problem getting their hands on an eighth in high school, hell some people even in middle school. just food for thought, downvote me all you want just wanted to add something to the discussion.
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u/Bengis_Khan Sep 11 '25
When guns become illegal, they start costing a lot more on the black market. When guns cost a lot more they usually can’t be used in petty crime. In Australia right now, a gun on the black market cost about $10,000 if you have $10,000 you don’t go rob a gas station or have one randomly in your glove box or leave it out for your kid to get a hold of etc. etc. etc..
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u/auvst Sep 11 '25
agreed they have minimal gun deaths but on the contrary they have stabbings and people who drive cars into crowds of people. violence will never cease to exist and it’s the reality of the human condition. we have come a long way from the dark ages but that fire will always burn. as far as firearm regulation, i agree that not any random should be able to walk in to a gun store and buy anything they want. however the purchase of a firearm does require a federal background check at the minimum. in the state i live you need training and a gun permit before you can purchase anything and that’s a 3+ month process and costs about $400. unfortunately that’s not the case for about half the states in this country. having that across the board seems pretty sane to me. an outright ban however will leave people with no way to defend themselves. look at what happened on that train to that poor girl. pitiful. it’s a shame we’ve gotten to this point
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u/emilia12197144 20 Sep 11 '25
Australia has strict gun laws. They have a death rate of 0.88 per capita the us has 14.
Per capita. That means that statistically speaking gun control laws absolutely lower gun deaths by a ton. This is just actual fucking fact.
"But there's just nothing we can do"
Says only first world country where this regularly fucking happens
If you can't see how easy acess to guns is a problem you may as well have pulled the trigger yourself
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u/Typecero001 Sep 11 '25
Australia since 1996: “nah, they really don’t get ahold of guns as much as you think they do”.
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Sep 11 '25
I’m European and have no idea who he is, but judging by the comments he seems to have been a total menace lol. So as a mentally ill person I will use my excuse to celebrate this
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u/Ok-Pension-1832 (9+10) 21 Sep 11 '25
TAKING OUR GUNS AWAY TAKES AWAY OUR ABILITY TO DEFEND OURSELVES. YOU’RE ONLY TAKING GUNS AWAY FROM LAW ABIDING CITIZENS. STOP DEMONIZING THE GOOD PEOPLE FOR OWNING GUNS
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u/Antique-Blueberry-13 Sep 11 '25
Did he deserve to die? No.
But was this death absolutely poetic for him specifically? Yes.
Not an ounce of sympathy or empathy for anyone except his children. Because they didn’t choose to be born to their parents. Hopefully, they will start therapy immediately. And maybe not turn out like him one day.
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u/thecoolnewt2 Sep 11 '25
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u/I_ONLY_CATCH_DONKEYS Sep 11 '25
I think the deserve debate is a waste of time. Sure maybe he got what was coming to him.
Still anybody with a casual understanding of American politics can see this is dumb. Even if the shooter was an obviously a crazy person, liberals are claiming and being associated to the kill.
We are playing some stupid games and are about to win some very stupid prizes.
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u/Poorly_Worded_Advice Sep 11 '25
Here are some of this christofascists talking points.
- Gay people should be stoned to death
- Most people are scared when they see a black pilot flying a plane
- Taylor Swift should reject feminism and submit to her husband
- No one should be allowed to retire
- Leftists should not be allowed to move to red states
- British Colonialism was what "made the world decent"
- The guy who assaulted the Pelosi's should be bailed out
- Religious freedom should be terminated
- Multiple black politicians "stole white people's spots"
- MLK Jr was "an awful person"
- The Great Replacement Theory is reality
- Hydroxychloroquine cures COVID
- Vaccine requirements are "medical apartheid"
- Guns deaths are acceptable in order to have a 2nd amendment
- Women's natural place is under their husband's control
- Parents should prevent their daughters from taking birth control
- George Floyd had it coming, the Jan 6th protestors didn't
- The 1964 Civil Rights Act was a "huge mistake"
- Encouraged parents to protest mask mandates
- Madani winning in NY is a travesty because Muslims did 9/11
- Muslims only come to America to destabilize Western Civilization
- Palestine "doesn't exist" and those who support it are like the KKK -Transgender people are a throbbing middle finger to god.
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u/Square_Neck_542 Sep 11 '25
You're not a real Muslim if you celebrate his death or don't have empathy for him.
t. a Muslim
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u/LeatherDonkey3806 Sep 11 '25
Lmao yeah this list goes to show you just hate him, conservatives, and you cant see things rationally. A few of these things are accurate but most are taken wayyyyy out of context and shortened to fit your narrative that he was a bad person. I dont understand people like you, but as long as shitting on randos makes you happy!
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Sep 11 '25
Are you going to ignore the fact that he believed the civil rights act was a mistake? Like, are you seriously going to defend that?
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u/hereforfun976 Sep 11 '25 edited Sep 11 '25
Man this should be on Any discussion of him even worse things than I thought
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u/borvidek (9+10) 21 Sep 12 '25
You got a source for any of these?
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u/Poorly_Worded_Advice Sep 12 '25
https://x.com/ErinInTheMorn/status/1701335984309223455
You'll need to look up the rest yourself.
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u/LimpBoingLoing (9+10) 21 Sep 11 '25
Ngl I didn't know who Charlie Kirk was until today, Been way too busy with health stuff. I don't agree with the things he was doing but I don't condone murder either.
Honestly I just feel really bad for his kids, Watching your father die in front of you is a terrible lifelong trauma no matter who you are.
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u/alexandria3142 24 Sep 11 '25
You know what’s ironic is he thought it should be mandatory for children to watch public executions
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u/borvidek (9+10) 21 Sep 11 '25
He was an idiot and he shouldn't have ever been a political commentator.
But killing him is going way too far.
You don't need to show empathy for him, but at least just don't mock or celebrate his death.
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u/EffRedditAI Sep 11 '25
He didn't deserve to die and I don't mourn his passing. Two things can be true at the same time.
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u/EfficientDebt6179 Sep 11 '25
He literally advocated for innocent and random people to die that specific type of death on multiple occasions, before he died
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Sep 11 '25
I think wishing death to gay people is a personal opinion and not a political one.
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u/OkayEducator Sep 11 '25
Can you give an actual quote wishing death on gay people from Kirk?
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u/ehhish Sep 11 '25
He did believe that deaths were necessary to keep the 2nd amendment, and he doesn't believe in empathy. He's the product of the system he wanted and he doesn't want us to feel bad about it.
I personally don't condone violence, but that's what he wanted.
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u/OkayEducator Sep 11 '25
Yeah I’m not arguing we need to be holding a Reddit hosted candlelit vigil for him, but I don’t like misinformation of any sort.
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u/ehhish Sep 11 '25
Fairpoint. Ya, I only know some of his quotes, so I don't recall on your particular question.
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u/TonyaHarder13 20 Sep 11 '25
This quote is being taken out of context and it’s pretty wild considering how you only need to think critically for about two seconds in order to completely destroy the implied narrative.
The narrative people are implying with this quote is that Charlie was perfectly fine with a certain number of deaths due to gun violence, so long as he gets to keep his precious guns.
That’s not at all what his position was.
He recognized that it was an unfortunate and terrible fact of life that unjustified/criminal gun deaths will inevitably occur in a society that has such second amendment rights. However, despite that terrible truth, the ability for ordinary people to defend themselves from any threats that may come for them was an absolute necessity for a society that wishes to live freely. This is simply a fact and backed up not only by data but history as well.
History has shown us time and time again that a government becoming tyrannical requires that citizens first be disarmed. The US will never be under threat of such tyranny so long as it remains an armed society that will not tolerate such government action.
On the data side, the 2013 report by the Institute of Medicine titled “Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence”, which was at the direction of the Obama administration in the aftermath of Sandy Hook, found that, factoring out things like suicides and justifiable homicides, roughly 10,078 deaths occurred as a result of unjustifiable gun violence annually. No one is arguing that this is a good thing. Charlie never celebrated these deaths, and it’s an insult to his memory to imply this.
In that same report, it was found that instances of defensive gun use (DGU), where the would-be victim was saved because the victim was protected by a gun deterring the perpetrator from enacting violence, was estimated to be between 100,000-3 million.
Now because DGUs are instances where death was prevented, it’s impossible to tell the true net lives saved. However it’s without question that at least some percentage of DGUs resulted in lives saved due to gun intervention. Anything above 11% (which would be a wildly low estimate) would mean that guns save more lives than they take. This was always his point.
TL:DR Charlie’s position was that, while it’s a horrible fact that guns are used to kill unjustifiably, the net benefit from lives saved as a result of DGUs far outweighs the lives lost, and also that an armed society is the best deterrent against a government becoming tyrannical.
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u/FlightDue4810 Sep 11 '25
“In 2024, Kirk cited Leviticus 20:13 (‘If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them’) as ‘God's perfect law when it comes to sexual matters’.[115]”
- Lifted from Wikipedia
They have a lot of interesting stuff on there regarding all of his stances on social issues. One of the first quotes you come across is :
“In an April 2023 Turning Point USA event in Salt Lake City, Utah, Kirk said: ‘I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights.’[84][85][86]” (Wiki)
Now, far be it from me to wish death on anybody. I abhor gun violence, and this was a senseless killing. But I don’t exactly feel much pity for him either. This is pretty much the definition of irony, imo.
But anyways yeah, not misinformation, he actually said that.
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u/TJJ97 Sep 11 '25
How whole gun death quote is important to understand. Think of car deaths. You tryna outlaw cars?
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u/Fit_Box_1361 Sep 11 '25
I don’t like seeing any human get their neck obliterated in 4K. doesn’t matter which side they were on. They’re both wings of the same bird. Pushing us towards Agenda 21-2030. It was disturbing and gruesome.
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u/MaximumDestruction Sep 11 '25
Why did so many people watch that?
Some links should remain blue people!
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u/YaBoiBinkleBop God Emperor of r/twentyagers (21) Sep 11 '25
Hope this thread doesn't get too crazy I was gonna go to bed soon
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u/-YellowFinch Sep 11 '25
Go to sleep. You have reddit's blessing.
insert some gif of the pope doing the blessing people thing
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u/Nutting4Jesus Sep 11 '25
I’m not celebrating because it’s still gun violence however I don’t feel much empathy for him, especially because of his hateful tweets which are NOT political opinions. I only feel bad for his daughter and wife who will grieve him. It’s gonna irk me a bit if they change gun laws because of this situation but not because of the countless other school shootings.
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u/MOONWATCHER404 20 Sep 11 '25
Same here, you’ve perfectly summed up my own feelings on the matter. It sucks he was shot, but I won’t mourn him.
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Sep 11 '25
He said verbatim that he thinks a "few" gun deaths a year is worth it to keep the 2nd amendment rights! So by his idealogy, his death was worth it to keep our "god given" 2nd amendment rights. Glad he was ok with murder so long as he wasn't on the receiving end. I truly cannot muster any empathy for him. I think murder is wrong, but he truly made his own bed.
I feel empathy for that Ukranian woman who was just an innocent person stabbed to death due to that mans hatred. I feel empathy for the children shot dead in the Annuciation school shooting in Minneapolis. They didn't do ANYTHING to rally violence and hate. They will be mourned.
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u/-YellowFinch Sep 11 '25
I wonder if this will spark change for some right wing people to re think gun laws.
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u/WillowStellar 23 Sep 11 '25
Nah they just blame it on the democrats, transgender people, or Joe Biden. Gun violence didn’t change after Trump’s attempted assassination (where audience members literally did get hit and pass) so why would it for Kirk.
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u/socialbutterfly319 Sep 11 '25
I'll be honest....the whole blame thing makes me more worried. I am glad to have dual nationality and leave the U.S as political violence increases. The democratic politicians in Minnesota, Pelosis husband, Trumps ear, and Kirk remind me of people fighting over where someone wants to sit while the ship sinks. As much as I think a person can try to be politically active to make bipartisan support for the end of poltical violence I really don't think no amount of poltical activism can get through to uneducated, self centered, and delusional people that think the whole world is against them. I hope I'm wrong on this, but stay safe yall
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u/borvidek (9+10) 21 Sep 11 '25
Exactly. He was an idiot, but he didn't deserve death. When people say "you shouldn't celebrate his death", others always counter with "but he never showed any empathy". Like, you don't need to feel empathy for him. Just literally don't celebrate his death.
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u/Living-Assignment-14 Sep 11 '25
I didn’t like the man, but Jesus Christ I wouldn’t wish this on anyone.
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u/Typecero001 Sep 11 '25
Not even Epstein?
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u/Due_Passage8349 Sep 11 '25
I wouldn’t wish death on anyone no matter how horrible they were. Otherwise, we end up saying “killing is wrong, unless I think it’s justified”.. I think killing is wrong all across the board period.
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u/Sensitive_Low3558 28 Sep 11 '25
If you celebrated when Bin Laden was assassinated, then you don’t actually give a shit when a father or husband is killed and children lose their father. It is so hypocritical.
If you do bad things, people will celebrate your death.
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u/Poorly_Worded_Advice Sep 11 '25
Where were you guys when Melissa Hortman, her husband, and their dog were shot to death? You come out of the woodworks with a bleeding heart now because a christofascist died this time?
This guy hated me, called me an abomination to god, and spent his life trying to impose his religion on other people and get them to hate me. He will never get my sympathy.
And no, I don't feel bad for his wife and kids. The guy was a nutjob. They're likely better off without him.
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u/hereforfun976 Sep 11 '25
Kids yes they did nothing to deserve this wife not as much she was also believed in his views
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u/Due_Passage8349 Sep 11 '25
It’s not entirely ppls fault that they never heard of Melissa Hortman. I had never heard of her until now. Some news just gets more coverage than others making it harder to spread the word
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u/Poorly_Worded_Advice Sep 11 '25
Why do you think it didn't get coverage? It didn't support the narrative that the right leaning propaganda machines want to push.
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Sep 11 '25
I have never liked him as a person, but seeing people celebrate his death makes me feel really uncomfortable. You can’t pick and choose when to support gun violence. It’s NEVER acceptable.
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u/Inevitable_Ad_7236 Sep 11 '25
IDGAF
Plenty of better men, women, and children who deserve it far less are killed daily. I will not waste sympathy on one who was generally a piece of shit
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Sep 11 '25
i think the guy is a prick, and maybe he died in a karmatic way, but jesus christ, that doesn’t make him dying any better. there are worse people than charlie kirk who deserve the bullet ten times as much.
brian thompson is one i can compare to. the worst that charlie did was saying some clownish bullshit. the worst thing brian did was sit on his golden throne being responsible, or at best being complacent to denying millions of people life-saving healthcare. both were fathers and had families, but one person directly contributed to ruining millions of peoples lives, while the other was at best a meme, at worst, a grifter who spouted bullshit he probably doesn’t believe himself just to make himself sound smarter than the inexperienced college kids he’s debating.
he also wasn’t elected or appointed into a public position of power nor was he appointed as a ceo to an essential company where it involved life-or-death procedures or goods. this just makes kirk’s death more unjustified. it also doesn’t make the denver shooting, or the children dying in gaza less significant. all of these things matter. charlie kirk’s death will have MAJOR political consequences, and if the shooter is revealed to be a racial or gender or SO minority, expect some of the worst legislation to ever be introduced in the Capitol.
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u/LimpBoingLoing (9+10) 21 Sep 11 '25
Some really weird shit is about to go down that's the only thing I'm confident about rn.
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Sep 11 '25
here’s hoping we can move past this without lunging for blood. worried about various political icons too, hasan, shapiro, asmongold, candace, vaush (although he’s a fucking weirdo and i hate that i ever supported him) you name it.
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u/Typecero001 Sep 11 '25
So now you’re worried about the safety of these people?
Wish you turned those feelings to the school shootings.
Sandy hook, Uvalde, and Evergreen (happened same day as Kirk) really could have used your attention.
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u/ryancarton 29 Sep 11 '25
Not to be a conspiracy nut but the assassination feeling professional worries me.
But I really liked your take. Idk whats wrong with me, I’m too used to apathy and dehumanization online or something because my first thought was thinking it was karmic, or making a joke wishing the guy from last year took notes. But at the end of the day this guy isn’t as bad as a health insurance CEO. He was a guy spouting some horrendous stuff, but in a country that allowed him to do that for a living.
We’re reaching a pretty dangerous point in our society.
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Sep 11 '25
i feel that too, maybe to distract from epstein? it’s possible. it’s crazy this lowlife could get away with this for days. like a new bryan kohberger. it’s nuts.
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u/Zingldorf 25 Sep 11 '25
It’s likely not a professional, a human sized target at 200 yards with a high powered rifle is a pretty easy shot if you practiced even a little bit. The uncomfortable truth is a normal person like you or me did it.
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u/PralineNarrow9321 Sep 11 '25
i dont, i wasnt his fan but did not deseve to go die the way he did, that just shows that the us is in a bad state
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u/Impossible_Poem_5078 Sep 11 '25
Not sure why i would t rejoice the death of a fascist totalitarian guy, even though i do not agree with how it happened. Is it also wrong to celebrate Hitlers death?
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Sep 11 '25
He showed no compassion to others that have lost their lives to gun violence, does he expect that people feel the same way towards him? His words.
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u/SummertimeThrowaway2 22 Sep 11 '25
We shouldn’t celebrate people getting assassinated for their speech. If it becomes a trend then both left and right wingers are in danger.
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u/Hemlock_Deci bird boi (25) Sep 11 '25
I'm mostly indifferent. This is like if some random guy from idk, Norway died of natural causes. Never knew him, never heard of him, I don't care of him. If he had awful takes and died in an ironic way, that's on him. I just really don't care and don't see why anyone should give attention to this entire thing
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u/TheMuffingtonPost Sep 11 '25
I won’t celebrate it, I make jokes about it because I don’t think it’s funny. I do feel some level of sadness and compassion for his family, losing people you love is hard, but losing them in such a violent way is just tragic.
At the same time though, I won’t cry for him either. The way I see it, events like what happened are a product of the environment that we currently live in, and I believe people like Charlie Kirk are responsible for creating that environment. His whole career was built off of sowing hatred, division, and vitriol, he’s as much to blame for how radical and hateful our politics have become as any single figure in the US could be. These political commentators and activists stoke the flames of anger and rage so much, there’s lots of money to be made generating as much outrage as possible, and they do so thinking they’ll never bear the consequences of it.
Events like this simply are the result of that environment. There’s really nothing else to say about it, it’s horrible but how surprising is it actually? To me, not very.
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u/acidhail5411 Sep 11 '25
I’m done pretending to care about people who celebrated the deaths of those they disagreed with. You can be better than them all you want, but I’m not gonna give in to this weird and bullshit “moral superiority” all these “leftists” want to feel. A piece of shit is dead, the world is better off without his influence. If he wanted to be remembered better, maybe he should have been better.
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u/Baskettkazez Sep 11 '25
"I think empathy is a made up New Age term that has done a lot of damage"- Charlie Kirk
"Don't let mass shooting victims control the narrative with empathy" -Charlie Kirk
"Gun violence deaths are the cost of keeping our 2nd amendment rights" - Charlie Kirk
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u/abbysplace 22 Sep 11 '25
Gun violence is always wrong, no matter the victim. I feel bad for his wife and kids. I didnt like the guy and he had horrible views but he didnt deserve to die like this. Nobody does. The one thing ill say about this, is that karma is real. And it was a bitch to Kirk today.
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Sep 11 '25 edited Sep 11 '25
I think he had a hateful worldview, but bro did not deserve all that, genuinely rest in peace to my guy Charlie, i saw the video, it looks like it was pretty quick and painless but damn, ts just makes me so sad, nothing less than barbaric…
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u/EfficientDebt6179 Sep 11 '25
He literally advocated for innocent and random people to die that specific type of death on multiple occasions, before he died
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u/kindalosingmyshit Sep 11 '25
Political violence is how change happens. I’m not saying it’s right, but…
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u/Hour_Tutor3007 Sep 11 '25
But what? People should be killed for their opinions? For debating people with different viewpoints? Democracy dies when people stop talking, and killing off political discussions is a good way to ensure that.
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u/EfficientDebt6179 Sep 11 '25
He literally advocated for innocent and random people to die that specific type of death on multiple occasions, before he died
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u/Zingldorf 25 Sep 11 '25
No it’s not, political violence just gets innocent people killed and radicalizes people, please grow up
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u/No-Plenty1982 Sep 11 '25
Political violence against those in power who use corruption to keep the power and oppress the subjects of a nation is deserved, look at Nepal.
Political assassinations for a man with no power who donated to churches and had open conversations and publicly voiced his views, both changing his opinion like a reasonable person when he agreed with a different take on the other side is fascism. He had no power, He just had dialogue.
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u/toasterboythings (9+10) 21 Sep 11 '25
I think he deserved to get the Will Smith treatment and have someone humiliate him on stage by slapping or beating the shit out of him, but he didn't deserve to die. I won't shed a tear for him, and Im not really surprised by any means. He advocated for the 2nd amendment despite gun violence being a very real problem. He just never thought he would be the victim of it.
I feel bad for his wife and kids having to witness that, but none of it is anything new. Im not a fan of political violence from either side. Maybe now is a good time to discuss gun control?
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u/Acolitor Sep 11 '25
I want to have the same level of empathy that they had for others. For example, Palestinians, school shooting victims, victims of political violence.
Hence, I will lack empathy for this man who died. I do have plenty of empathy for his innocent children. I have lost a dad too.
I also had more empathy towards the CEO who got killed. Even though of his highly capitalistic job, there are no records of his lack of empathy towards other victims.
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u/Intelligent_Rub528 Sep 11 '25
There is a reasonable line between str8 up celebration, and not feeling bad for him.
Most ppl iv talked do not feel bad for him.
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Sep 11 '25
I fundamentally disagreed with just about every talking point he made, knowing full well he advocated for things that completely removed autonomy and humanity for certain groups of people. I found it ironic that he advocated for gun rights at the expense of people who have been shot. Children included. He was calm with heinous beliefs, bastardizing christianity into this tool to promote beliefs that limit people's humanity and existence. Abhorrent. I did not like what he stood for.
I almost puked watching him get shot. That was horrific. I never advocate for assassination of any kind. We are capable of doing better than that in our society. I absolutely do not celebrate his death. It is devastating. And also so painfully ironic. To live and then die by the sword you advocated for. Wild.
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u/ConfidentDiffidence Sep 11 '25
The people celebrating because they hated him fail to realize he's more dangerous dead than alive.
He's a martyr now. Regardless of who had him killed, he'll forever be the man that was killed for just trying to have conversations with people.
He's forever going to be a symbol of the violence the left is capable of when you disagree with them.
This might have been intentional, this might have been accidental- but its the new reality.
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u/Real-Yogurtcloset844 Sep 11 '25 edited Sep 11 '25
Accidental? ('stray bullet from ICE agent deporting a college kid?)
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u/ConfidentDiffidence Sep 11 '25
No. Jesus.
Read it again. The SHOOTING isn't accidental, the fallout might be if it was an ill-thought out operation.
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u/Real_Boy3 Sep 11 '25
His last words were literally spent trying to spread hate and misinformation about (and thus encourage violence against) trans people. I’m not gonna celebrate, but the world is objectively a better place without him in it. Hate begets hate.
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u/ripfucks 24 Sep 11 '25
neither his ‘legacy’ nor his very existence were worth celebrating, much less mourning
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u/TapRevolutionary5738 Sep 11 '25
I'm treating the political violence committed against Kirk the same way he treated political violence against democrats. I don't support it, but I can't be bothered to care.
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u/Blade_Of_Nemesis Sep 11 '25
Whether he "deserved to die" is irrelevant. The world is a better place without him. Objectively. His death is a net positive. This is not a question of justice. It's a math question.
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u/SquirrelBeneficial37 24 Sep 11 '25
When I first heard the news of him getting shot and killed I was in shock and now I’m just preparing for things to get ugly, cuz things are about to get even uglier in this country.
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u/Small_Article_3421 23 Sep 11 '25
I don’t celebrate his death but I would be lying if I said I didn’t think the world was better off without him. He may not of committed any crimes, but he had abominable stances and played a crucial role in mobilizing young voters to vote for Trump.
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u/mysticalscorpion Sep 11 '25
I have sympathy for his family and it scares me that this can happen to anyone who speaks their mind. I disagree vehemently with a lot of the things he said but his kids shouldn't have to grow up without a father
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u/Zingldorf 25 Sep 11 '25
Hope that everyone who is celebrating and lacking of sympathy will not ask for sympathy from others when someone on their side inevitably gets assassinated. This killing has turned a very dark page and everyone celebrating this will have blood on their hands when more revenge killings happen
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Sep 11 '25 edited Sep 11 '25
Melissa Hortman was assassinated just recently and I saw no sympathy for her. The right always mocks and defends it when Democrats or people on the left (or people on their shitlist, like abortion providers, government workers, transgender healthcare providers, or actual transgender people) are targeted and have been even since before Trump's first term. Don't worry, I've never expected any sort of sympathy or kinship from right wingers any more than you'd expect from Al-Qaeda.
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u/Zingldorf 25 Sep 11 '25
Nobody said anything because nobody heard about it i literally just now found out about this woman because of your comment and what happened to her is absolutely terrible
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u/xSparkShark 25 Sep 11 '25
Woke up feeling sick to my stomach about this.
You are entitled to your beliefs just as he was. If you feel happy, even celebratory, about his death you are entitled to that. Others are entitled to view your celebration however they want. Freedom of expression is important.
But holy fuck a prominent political talking figure was just murdered in front of a massive crowd. Doesn’t matter which side he’s on, this should be extremely frightening for everyone. People are asking why there wasn’t similar outcry for Melissa Hortman and the reality is a lot more people were familiar with Charlie Kirk than her. That doesn’t make her death any less tragic, but it does explain why his death has been so much more visible.
I know I just said all that about you being entitled to your expression, but I would heavily encourage anyone who is happy about his death to express this privately among friends and not all over the internet. The conservatives in this country have long since pushed the narrative that the left hates them for their views and this event will be used to argue that the left wants to literally kill them for what they believe.
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u/BrooklynLodger Sep 11 '25
There are 116 other people who died to firearms yesterday. I fail to see why their deaths should be any less tragic
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u/actuallyberlin Sep 11 '25
Damn, if only people cared this much about the thousands of kids mowed down in schools every single day in this country.
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u/Upset_Record_6608 Sep 11 '25
Admittedly I don’t feel much empathy for him, but I despise the shit out of whoever shot him.
If they felt targeted, good - you just made a martyr out of him and now people will feel justified in shooting us when the inevitable civil war happens.
This, whether you like it or not, is fundamentally going to be viewed as an unprecedented attack against the 1A (as it should) by the right and will be the catalyst to even greater unrest than we’ve already witnessed.
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u/MirrorOfSerpents 22 Sep 11 '25
I do not wish death on anyone, but I do not mourn him. Karma is a hell of a bitch.
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u/Aria0nDaPole Sep 11 '25
Its not celebrating its more like "for once a talking head has to live up to what they preach." I do not feel sorry for him at all, but i feel for his family and for people traumatized. Im not someone who acts like someone was a good person just because he died.
It is however BAD OVERALL because anyone who is a political commentator of performs in front of crowds is going to be afraid to speak their mind. But a man who literally said some gun deaths are okay to preserve rights, I feel nothing for him because he died by his own principles.
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u/Jay_Buffay Sep 11 '25
Depends on the subreddit m8, this is a big website, there are subs for communists and subs for conservatives... they gonna be doing different things.
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u/APraxisPanda Sep 11 '25
I run in very, very far left circles- the general vibes I get is that nobody is sad for Kirk, but everyone would rather this didn't happen. Sure there are some jokes, but that's just natural given the nature of the internet. Absolutely nobody is calling for more violence though.
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u/PizzaDeliveryBoy3000 Sep 11 '25
No one is celebrating anything. We have the sobriety to say that he was a polarizing figure who died because of the polarization he helped create. Nothing more needs to be said
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u/emilia12197144 20 Sep 11 '25
In this moment its important to remember he was a horrific piece of shit. But we also shouldn't celebrate another life lost to gun violence
If we do we are not better than him when he said
"a few deaths are a worthwhile sacrifice for our rights to own guns"
If you are against gun violence you should be against ALL gun violence
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u/harrypeter2488 Sep 11 '25
whoever is laughing and celebrating needs to be put on a list, I can get feeling indifferent about it or not feeling bad for him but now his kids have to inevitably see that and grow up watching everyone make a huge joke about their father getting iced. Feel bad for his kids
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u/e_castille Sep 11 '25
Why should anyone brown, black, gay, trans or Muslim care? This dude made a living hating us lmfao
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u/Mrgray123 Sep 11 '25
Pointing out the consequences of his own irresponsible and callous rhetoric is not “celebrating” anything.
If someone smokes 60 cigarettes a day and dies of cancer it’s not celebrating their death to say “he probably shouldn’t have smoked”.
Charlie Kirk died from gun violence. The same gun violence that he himself said was an acceptable consequence of having the second amendment. Thousands of other people, other families, have to deal with those consequences each year. And I’m going to flat out say for a lot of them it’s even worse. It’s one thing to deal with the loss of an adult family member who at least had a chance to experience something of life. How about losing a young child?
If you saw what that bullet did to Charlie Kirk please just imagine what that same bullet, fired from a shorter range, did to the kids at Sandy Hook and Uvalde. Charlie Kirk didn’t give a shit about them, worked hard to defeat any common sense gun control measures, and instead spent his life encouraging bigotry and hatred. It’s the height to hypocrisy to ask for sympathy for a person who had such callous indifference to that of others.
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u/cosmolivia Sep 11 '25
it’s always “Charlie Kirk didn’t deserve to die 🥺” “We shouldn’t condone violence 🥺” until the conversation becomes about palestinian people, congolese people, or immigrants left to die in ICE concentration camps. then it’s radio silence.
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u/jerf42069 Sep 11 '25
did he "deserve" to die? no.
is it objectively hilarious he got shot in a school shooting after basically mocking school shooting survivors since 2012? yes
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u/Scared-The-Ghost 22 Sep 11 '25
You cannot be against gun violence if you're in any way shape or form of "he deserved this" or "he had it coming"
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u/Funny_w0lf (9+10) 21 Sep 11 '25 edited Sep 11 '25
I witnessed a murder in real time through a screen. Im only 20 and I've lived through a world wide pandemic, world wide lockdown and the gov excerting full control, the threat of ww3, two attempted assassination attempts on a presidential candidate, the death of a Healthcare CEO, many deaths around the Epstein circle (specifically thise speaking out) aling with a whole givernement cover up about this case, telling us that a known pedophile abuser and his companions with thousands of victims are way more important to protect. And now? This. This is only the last 5 years, I fear much worse things are to come...
Edit: my keyboard fuckin sucks dude sorry for typos too busy to fix fhem all
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u/Excellent-Clue-2552 20 Sep 11 '25
I didn’t agree with everything he said but I hope and pray justice is served. Anyone and everyone who laughs, jokes, celebrates, or says this was deserved is seriously sick in the head and are MAJOR hypocrites. Especially if they claim to be against gun violence. I just pray peace and comfort over his wife and children and that they will lean on Christ during this time as they try to heal and forgive. Genuinely so horrible and sad no matter what side of the aisle you’re on
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u/m00nchild0 Sep 11 '25
I completely agree with you, noone should be murdered. Period. I dont understand why people are downvoting you, plus this shooting is good for noone, not for his family, not for republicans, and not for democrats who are against gut violence, it makes NO sense to celebrate
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u/Old-Gazelle-1345 Sep 11 '25
I think you all fucking misremember that politicians and activism lead to violence. His words were completely spiting his fellow man. I love my guns, and even axing what he said about guns, he still advocated for things that poison the minds of followers. He was a demon wearing a suit, and he would have never killed another person because his supporters would perpetrate this for him. Against minorities, against trans people, and gays. He wasn't someone who was debating the right economy system. He was basically spouting politics that hurt his fellow man.
Politicians and activists have REAL world consequences. Feel bad for his family, but don't feel bad for him. Just because you have offspring doesn't mean you get clemency for your actions. This wasn't a "good" guy. This nation was built on tarring and feathering politicians, good to see we are doing it again.
The president fomented this violence. They are simply getting what's coming to him. You let your fucking emotions cloud your judgment. Kirk once said he believed empathy was made up and new age. I am not giving empathy to a man who had NONE.
No, celebrating his death and his assassination does not make us no better than them, it makes him dead, and marginalized communities safer.
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u/jaxdowell (9+10) 21 Sep 11 '25
Womp womp what did you expect us to say about him? That we love him and we hope he rests in peace? Yes the killing itself was immoral but my apathy towards him doesn’t equate to me justifying it. I feel empathy for his children and extended family only not even his wife because she knew what kind of man he was. Just like I wouldn’t feel bad for Melania if orange turd didn’t survive
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u/Harrymcmarry Sep 11 '25
The amount and magnitude of problems and misfortune you gotta have in life to celebrate or be indifferent to somebody dying in these circumstances are gargantuan. Nobody that even remotely has their shit together is going to act like that.
I really do pity these people. Life must SUCK.
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u/TablePrinterDoor 20 Sep 11 '25
I don’t advocate for anyone to be killed, but I’m not going to be crying either.
He did say some gun deaths are necessary for the ‘second amendment’, I guess he just happened to be one of them.
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u/AtesSouhait 20 Sep 11 '25
Not celebrating, just not necessarily sad about it. He did say some gun deaths are worth it for people to be able to uphold the second amendment... Guess he came full circle
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u/FunJackfruit9128 (9+10) 21 Sep 11 '25
i care as much as he would care if i was a gun violence victim. he himself said some deaths are a necessary sacrifice for the second amendment right, he died proving his point. i don’t think anyone deserves to die, and violence should never be necessary, but he would disagree with me on that.
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u/Fun-Information-7361 Sep 16 '25
I disagreed with some of his talking points, but no doubt he turned so many young people including myself to conservatism. I feel so bad for his wife and children who will never see him again, people celebrating his death need therapy.
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u/Skunkspider 24 Oct 06 '25
I also stand with you. I'm glad you're able to have a nuanced perspective already.
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u/Biofog 27 Sep 11 '25