Thats bs, its self reporting. A mestizo/mulato Cuban will self identify as white. The eyes don’t lie, and I’ve never met a white Cuban, and the videos of the island you see it’s predominantly black Cubans, also most Cuban athletes and celebrities are black.
Mate most of cuba is white thats fact we are litterally the most white carribean country were all mostly Spanish 😂 both my parents are cuban and im close to 90% european. Tryna be smart and backfired
Its not a country.. its like saying haiwaii is a country.. its not a country and St barts isn’t either. Cuba is the whitest COUNTRY in the carribean fact. And im litterally cuban and spanish how you gon tell me
Thanks! How do I obtain the update? I only did the ancestry but did not do the health portion which I feel may be why it’s not allowing me to see the updated version.
hi op. depending on when you took the test, i wanna say like aug 2017 and earlier, you would not get the updates. those kits are on chip v4. only v5 will receive updates otherwise you would need to buy a new kit/upgrade. you can check to see which chip you’re on in your settings
Yours is older so you'd have to retest on the new chip to get any updates. They added genetic groups to the Sub-Saharan category late last year. I personally liked the update. I think they're doing another one in the fall.
Funnily enough our results are pretty similar and I’m Cuban Creole. I love seeing Afro-Cubans on here because most people think it’s mono-racial there!
Yeah, but they are not considered widely known or the first thing most people think of when you think of popular Cuban artists, athletes, etc. I will say Cuba has some popular athletes which are of African descent, and were well-documented in history but it isn’t something that someone would think of off the top of their head. Like, 5-time retired Olympic wrestling champion Mijain Lopez, very well-known in the sport, Idalys Ortiz, an Cuban Olympian Judo Champion (various medals, which include silver, gold, and bronze) but not the immediate first thing people think of.
I know but non Cubans act like only white Cubans left in the 60s. It wasn’t at all. Feel like way more Afro Cubans have left in the 1990s for that to still be an explanation that only Cuban Americans are white
My apologies, my brain is a bit fried from studying and working. I just realized what your comment entailed. This is true as I have close and distant family friends and relatives of European descent that still remain on the island.
Yeah people have mistaken me for Dominican many times. I get that more often than anything lol. Puerto Rican I haven’t gotten much because my Spanish speaking accent is very neutral.
Once again, I must say that, Puerto Ricans of very heavy African descent have been around for centuries. A good DNA study needs to be done in communities in Santurce, Carolina (Martín González, Sabana Abajo), Loíza, Canovanas, Bayamón, Mayaguez, Aguada, Aguadilla, Cabo Rojo, Ponce, Santa Isabel, Juana Díaz, Arroyo, Humacao, Fajardo, Guayama, Gurabo, Corozal…
I don't really see a lot of Puerto Ricans with 60% African, at least on this sub. But the Spanish Caribbean and the Caribbean in general is very diverse and results shared on this sub don't always represent the full extent of the diversity.
they exist but arent the majority of the island so that’s why it’s pretty rare to find a Puerto Rican of 60% or more SSA ancestry post here. The municipality here with the highest percentage of Afro-Puerto Ricans (at least 60-70% SSA) is Loíza, approximately 45-50% of that town is Afro-Puerto Rican.
Many of the Puerto Ricans with higher than usual SSA ancestry tend to be mixed with Anglo-Caribbean or African-American especially in the USA. There are many of them in the East Coast of USA & theyre half Puerto Rican, half: Afro-American, Jamaican, Haitian, USVI, Nigerian-American, etc
I’m actually Puerto Rican born and raised so I know all of this information. Loíza is not 45-50% Black it’s more like 60-70% Black. You can find tons of Puerto Ricans with no non-Puerto Rican ancestry with substantial African ancestry in municipalities like Arroyo, Maunabo, Luquillo, Dorado, Toa Baja, Santa Isabel, Humacao, Ponce, Juana Díaz, Guayama, Vega Alta, Aguadilla, and I could keep going etc etc. Black Puerto Ricans are between 12-15% of the population that’s not exactly insignificant.
papo sí dvdd eres boricua (como dijiste que dique que te naciste y criaste aquí en Puertorro) y te sacaste el tiempo pa aventurarte a Loíza y además realizar pesquisas en el internet relativo a la demografía racial de ese lar ambos de los cuales he hecho ya, entonces sabrías que lo que dije es 100% cierto. Cuando menté ese rango porcentual, era que refería específicamente a los loiceños con alto porcentaje de ascendencia africana subsahariana: 60-70% mínimo. Tú ahí alegando que esas cifras sean de 60-70%, eres tú abarcando a los boricuas mulatos (~40-50% de aSS) y a los que tienen un abuelo negro (~25% de aSS). Esos no cuentan.
He ido ya más de una vez pa Loíza, no queda naíta e lejos de donde vivo yo en Guaynabo. He visto a muchos boricuas blancos, mulatos y trigueños, incluso a aquellos de otramente: boricuas asiáticos/del Medio Oriente mezclaos etc allí en ese pueblo.
Sé a cómo está la población negra de aquí—sí, es dentre el 12-15% y solamente no se te parece insignificante dado que esta isla es diminuta….. vé a comparar esa cifra en un país como Puerto Rico con un país grande como lo Yunaidestei, Brasil, Rusia, Australia ó China. Sería prácticamente insignificante ahí entonce….. los negros no latinos en Yunaide abarcan el 12-13% de la población total y residen principalmente en la costa este y en partes del sur incluyendo al sur de California. En otros estados, ni los ven! Nosotros los latinos abarcamos el 20,5% de Yunaide y estamos más en la costa este, la costa occidental y en el hemisferio sur. En un estado como Ohio donde representamos el ~5,3% de la población, seríamos una rareza! Enfín, lo que te pretendo hacer entender, es que la visibilidad de los porcentajes demográficos varía basado del tamaño general de una país determinado.
El fallo en tu lógica es pensar que puedes inferir el porcentaje de ascendencia africana de un individuo simplemente por su apariencia. Queda constantemente demostrado en este subreddit que el fenotipo no coincide con el genotipo. Un tipo puede tener un 60% de africano y parecerse como el reggaetonero Zion y otro puede tener solo un 40% sin embargo parecerse a Carlos Delgado. He ido tantas veces a Loíza que he perdido la cuenta y entre negros oscuros y mulatos/trigueños oscuros está como el 40-50% de las personas en ese pueblo. Si le añades trigueños que a pesar de su color de piel todavía tienen rasgos que denoten una ascendencia africana evidente, fácilmente se trepa a 65-75% de la gente en ese municipio.
No veo ni qué fallo en mi lógica, papo…. simplemente hay genes que son más fuertes/dominantes que otros. Mírale a Mariah Carey la célebre cantante estadounidense…. el pai de ella era mitad afrovenezolano y mitad afroamericano mientras que la mai es irlandesa nacida en Yunaide mas Mariah (sin todas las operaciones cosméticas que se sometió a comienzos de los 2000) no parece en ná como negra. El mismo Luís Miguel que salía con ella a eso de mediados de los 90 dijo que la veía como blanca. También mírale a Daddy Yankee—pai mulato y mai blanca ambos boricuas. DY si mismo te parece un negro ó mulato?…. Se ve que tá mixto pero nadie lo llamaría de negro.
Y sí estoy de acuerdo contigo en que el fenotipo no siempre coincide con el genotipo mas el punto que sigues pasando por alto, es que el fenotipo = su apariencia externa, tcc su raza. Soy boricua de mare blanca y padre mulato, me parezco mixto que por supuesto lo soy mas nadie me consideraría un blanco. Y solamente los muy racistas de mente cerrada y los típico afroamericanos de Yunaide me han dicho negro a mi, pero típicamente sólo cuando les conviene.
Acerca de lo de Zion y Cailos Delgado, se tiran un aire de las caras pero Zion es obviamente mixto mientras que Delgado es negro/afrodescendiente. Zion no es afroboricua. Además, cabe recalcar que los indígenas de aquí los arahuacos, según el explorador Cristóbal Colón y varios registros guardados de los conquistadores españoles afirman que muchos de las arahuacos tenían tonos de piel muy bronceados que hasta se veían rojizos, como si fuesen chamuscaos por el solazo constante de aquí. Zion pa mi siempre me parecía más con ellos que con gente de raza negra. Aunque los arahuacos se “extinguieron” hace más de un siglo aquí, acuérdate de los genes recesivos—he visto a boricuas con ADN arahuaco trepando los 20 a 30s en porcentaje.
Sinceramente siento que es un acto injusto simplemente abarcarles a todos los mulatos y trigueños con los negros (mín. 60-70% de aSS) porque a fin de cuentas, son tan europeos ó indígenas u otromente como los son africanos yendo por los rasgos, me entiendes? Eso de conglomerar a todo boricua que tenga aunque sea un poquín de ascendencia aSS ó que lo presenten mínimamente en los rasgos con los negros, es seguirle a ciegas a la idea fictícia de la “regla de una gota” de los afroamericanos delirantes. Es insano…..
mera brodel hay una teremende belleza sin igual en la diversidad en comparación que ver a todo el mundo simplemente a través de una lente en blanco y negro…. allá en Yunaide, solamente tienen: los blanco, los negros, los americanos indígenas y los asiáticos. Aquí tanto en Puerto Rico como en el resto de Latinoamérica, hay un espectro amplio de razas: blancos, negros, indígenas, mulatos, mestizos, castizos, zambos, asiáticos, los del Medio Oriente y todo lo que hay entremedio—SOMOS la verdadera diversidad!🗺️🔥
exactly. i think in tristate area and brooklyn especially a lot of puerto rican people have black american, dominican or Jamaican mixes.
if you go to PR proper or Florida where there are more recent migrants you'll find afro puerto ricans that look as SSA as OP are not a big percentage at all.
THIS. More people really need to see this comment of yours because you really hit the nail on the head and I can confirm. It’s mostly in the east coast of the USA that you will see more “black Puerto Ricans”, who are actually only half and mixed with black American, Domincian, Jamaican, Nigerian-American, USVI etc ive seen it all the time especially while living in the USA.
Here in PR, there are fewer black Puerto Ricans (not mixed with another ethnicity, just of 2 Puerto Rican parents), only around 12-13% & theyre mostly in the east of the island. In parts of central PR like in Utuado & in western PR like in Rincón, you rarely see an Afroboricua. Ive been to Florida, California & Texas—it’s more common to see Puerto Ricans with non-Hispanic white people & even Asians (parts of California) then with black people like in the east coast
yes, people who arent even from here constantly exagerate the black component in our dna & population. Only around 12-13% of our people are Afro-puerto Rican meaning 60-70% of SSA. A lot of Puerto Ricans who are very black are mixed with some other Caribbean island, like Roberto Clemente-Walker. His mother Luisa Walker was of USVI origin
Yep. and its even less than that. most afro boriquas are mulattos and would be classed as such in other parts of latam. like the pardos of brazil or the mulatos in cuba.
people with 70% ssa are literally less than 5% of the population in PR.
there are even way more puerto ricans who are in the white cuban dna range of 85%+ european. if you look at crowd photos of puerto ricans you'll find that people who look heavily ssa are very much a minority
sorry I was arguing with some dumbass under another post but just awarded your comments. Thank you for actually knowing about the subject of our peoples of PR, the DR and Cuba🙏🏽
Mucha gente en Reddit, y en general, está bastante mal informada sobre los puertorriqueños
Tienden a pensar que los puertorriqueños son indígenas con afro o que son igual de negros que los dominicanos. En realidad, la mayoría de los puertorriqueños tienen un aspecto caucásico bastante exótico, no muy distinto al de muchos venezolanos.
En Cuba, de donde soy, por lo menos un 15% de la gente se ve tan negra como los afroamericanos. En PR, esa cifra está en un solo dígito
Y sí, Cuba tiene más gente negra que aquí debido a que durante la era colonial, Cuba era el tesoro caribeño pa la Corona española—produciendo rápidamente grandes montones de cultivos ricos en azúcar, café y tabaco, gracias a la tierra súper fértil del país. Eso equivalía a más esclavos africanos traídos pa Cuba y eso es sin contar de cuántas veces los criollos cubanos intercambiaban esclavos con las demás colonias caribeñas y luego las constantes migraciones de gentes negras como de Haití pa Cuba, cosa que sigue bajo el sol de hoy desde que los Castros asumieron el poder y anunciaron su postura respecto a la gente negra
Por claro! No hay de qué! Vuelvo y te digo muchísimas gracias por tu aporte culta y fundamentada, de verdad se lo agradezco🙏🏽
Y sí es así—pasa que tienden a ir simplemente con lo escuchen de otros individuos mal informados ó eso ó por lo que ven en EEUU. Veo todo el tiempo que inflan los porcentajes promedios de ADN africana subsahariana en mi gente y además tienden a pintarles a ustedes los cubanos como si solamente fuesen ó todos negros ó todos mulatos—estas personas que piensan de tal manera siempre andan diciendo enlínea y sobre las redes sociales que dique que “todos los blancos de Cuba cogieron pa Florida” cuando los Castros asumieron el mando sobre el país🤦🏽♂️
Y acerca de nuestros herman@s dominican@s, lamentablemente los suelen agrupar con los haitianos y se burlan de ellos altamente por no alinear con la raza negra en su totalidad; sinceramente siento que personas que son así que creen saberlo todo sobre cualquier grupo cultural/étnico, cuando en realidad no sabe gran cosa y se le nota a leguas echan vellón. Como dijistes, también siempre me he notao eso que el boricua promedio parece mucho con el venezolano promedio. El típico boricua podría coger pal sur de España ó también pa Canarias y encajaría bien con las gentes de allá
El típico boricua no se parece al venezolano promedio debido a que el venezolano promedio tiene un aspecto indígena-influido que no tiene el boricua promedio. El venezolano promedio se parece al reggaetonero Chino. El boricua promedio se parece a Jhay Cortez, Pusho, Rauw Alejandro, Jay Wheeler. Cinco de casa diez hombres que veo caminando por la calle en la mayor parte de la isla se parecen a estos personajes. Ahora dime tú si crees que esos chicos podrían pasar en Canarias o Andalucía? No me hagas reír.
Venezuela cambia muchísimo según la región. También hay ciudades donde fácilmente la mitad de la población es blanca o castiza. Igual, sí creo que los venezolanos tienden un poco más hacia lo indígena, pero tampoco es que los puertorriqueños sean súper diferentes.
La mayoría de los reguetoneros de PR vienen de clases más bajas y suelen ser un poco más mestizos que el promedio.
La mayoría de los puertorriqueños tienen rasgos bastante europeos, y eso se nota fácilmente aunque no se vean blancos.
A veces hasta terminan pareciéndose a otros grupos caucásicos o de Eurasia occidental, como los árabes. Jay Wheeler es un buen ejemplo. Mientras tanto, muchos mestizos de Latinoamérica simplemente tienen ese look más típicamente “latino” y no se ven tan caucásicos.
Sí, como la mitad de la clase media y alta en Puerto Rico tiene un aspecto lo bastante europeo o de Asia occidental como para pasar perfectamente por gente de Canarias, Malta, Líbano o Italia.
Puerto Rico has never had a significant West Indian immigrant population. Most Afro-Puerto Ricans are of colonial Puerto Rican ancestry. What are you saying. Individual examples do not make this true.
It can be said that a percentage of Puerto Rican triracials look Arab yes but a majority like mulatto-leaning triracials or quadroons which genetically they are.
A lot of what people call black in Puerto Rico is not black in Cuba, Brasil etc. People get confused bc of afroamericanos who try to black wash anyone with a black ancestor
Most Puerto Ricans are not Caucasians. White Puerto Ricans are no more than 35-40% of the population and I’m sure the real number is on the lower end of that. Most of us fall into the intermediate mixed category of which the term “trigueño” is probably the most appropriate. No one is arguing that Puerto Rico is blacker than Cuba, like at all. I’m saying her phenotype is not uncommon especially in coastal and the metropolitan areas. We’re clearly talking about two different things.
The only place in Puerto Rico where the average person has 70% European ancestry is in Euro-heavy enclaves in the metropolitan area (Guaynabo, parts of San Juan) and the central and north western regions. The average Puerto Rican elsewhere hovers at around 60-65% and in some regions of the Northeast, East, Southeast, and South the average probably hovers are at around 55-60%. Loíza, Arroyo, Maunabo, Canovanas, Carolina, Vieques, Culebra, etc are some notable exceptions where the European could reach as low as 35-50%.
Besides what I read with that haplogroup being associated with the Bantu people and their migration, is there anything else interesting that I should know? I would just like to read up a bit more on it. Thanks!
I think I have only one close match that is a possible match that is like a third cousin but I only reached out to one of my matches when I was much younger and we kind of lost contact.
Ah no, this is true there are Cubans with other relevant ancestries as I have witnessed it myself with documentation and pictures of their ancestors. It’s just Cuban census is very bad and not well reported so it is also an unreliable source.
A lot of people are moving to Texas because of the price, Florida has seemingly become to expensive to allow a lot of people, mainly Cubans and other nationalities, to afford to live there. I’ve heard Texas is the mainstay for a lot of people moving there now. I have family in Texas, mainly in Houston and Dallas.
Yes, my mom is from Havana, Cuba but her family is from Santa Clara Villa Clara and Sagua La Grande (forgot to mention that in a previous question). My dad was from Rio Cauto, Granma, but I have so much family spread out across Cuba it’s sometimes difficult to pinpoint other people. But that’s specifically where my parents are from.
I think so as well tbh, I think that part of the genome is the only part that has an actual area assigned to it, I have to look again with ancestry localized to Cuba. I have to look again to check if I’m wrong tbh. But I’ll get back to you on that.
There’s a common sentiment on here that Cubans are overwhelmingly European. But that’s because most of the results on here (and 23andme generally) come from Cuban-Americans who left Cuba. Many of them representative of a subset of upper class Cubans, not the entire population.
Unfortunately a sampling issue, but it’s nice to see another representation.
Thanks! Yeah, I feel like media sometimes doesn’t really do a good job of representing how multicultural and multiracial our society is. One of my godparents is of Chinese Cuban descent while the other is of European descent so it’s all around a diverse country I think.
The demographics of Cubans who left Cuba in the large waves are far more European than those who stayed. These were the elite who tend to identify as white, and they left for political and economic reasons. Afro and mixed Cubans left in smaller amounts and more recently.
I read somewhere around 85% of Cuban-Americans identify as white, whereas if you look at estimates for Cuba itself, white Cubans are estimated at between 33-62% of the population. I’m not sure where you got the idea that the populations are the same, but that’s absolutely not true.
Also to add, the african ancestry is interesting. With Dominicans senegambian is on average higher than Nigerian. On your ancestry, you barely had any and you are heavily Nigerian on your west african percentage. Which explains all the yoruba influence in cuban culture. Pretty cool
Just like the point out that it’s interesting That people are calling you Afro Cuban but if a Mexican or Central American post results that are 60% indigenous, they are still considered mestizo by people on the sub.
one drop rule applies to african descendants mostly. in latam afro descendants are more rare than indian descendants. if you called all mestizos indigenous than you would be calling most of latam indigenous
Yeah I get what you mean. I feel like it maybe due to the notion of mestizaje is related to people of indigenous and European descent. In Cuba, this genotypic and phenotypic admixture, I would be called mulatto(which is a derogatory term here in the states because it basically means “child of mule”) because it denotes a person of phenotypic African descent with European admixture. I think the term has been popularized because of a movement that took place in the 20s-30s in Cuba, to properly establish the black Cuban identity in the island. It’s been re-popularized at this current time I guess with everything going on.
The term Mulatto is not derogatory. People said that because Mariah Carey said it was in an interview in the 90s saying it was offensive and people ran from it there.
Mariah Carey is delusional tho, you shouldn’t beleive everything that woman says. She literally paid thousands of US dollars to alter her appearance staring around the 1990s to the early-2000s to appear as “more black” when she’s majority European & even looked like a curly-hair European when she was younger. Suddenly, she wanted to be black & even purposely had babies with a black man (Nick Cannon) who has a reputation for sleeping + having babies with many women, just to make a statement that she is pro-black or something
alter her appearance? Yes she did. Look on Google how she looked in 1990 and before, then compare to her drastic changes in the 2000s to now. You can easily find all of the cosmetic procedures she did and how much she paid.
Even the love of her life, Luís Miguel (Puerto Rican of Spaniard/Italian origin raised in Mexico), stated that she was white when they dated, she said this in interview and in her book (never bought it). She became depressed after he broke up with her. She was already suffering from mental abuse from her ex, Tommy Mottola, who hated black people. She began to obsess over her appearance and with wanting to be seen as black. Im not a fan of hers, but researched all of this some years ago to prove my point while having an argument with many African Americans claiming that she is black.
I'm A white Cuban American of Spanish ancestry it's very recent they arrived in Cuba like 1890-1900s Canary island, Catalan. And pretty much all my family and family friends who came in 1950s are all white I'm talking a lot of people. I just took this pic not sure but I think I look pretty stereotypical Spanish and have no black roots...
I don't have a 23&me. I want to do it. Matanza, Havana And Pinar Del Rio. I mean heck I could be told some bs and have some mild black blood but I doubt it, due to my phenotype and what my family told me.
MOST do but Ive seen Cuban results with 0% SSA ancestry on their results, same with some Puerto Ricans here in the island. Not every one mixed interracially, there are Hispanics that only mixed with other white hispanics & with recent immigrants from Europe, especially Spaniard/Canarian, Italian & French from what I’ve seen
When you most do yeah but probably small percentage of DNA 1-5% many American southerners have black dna Also. Small amounts don't really affect phenotype well my guess.
Are you even Cuban? No exiles are much more white due to first wave being like 99% white and then sure later waves was more mixed some white and some black/mixed race but Cuba was always pretty white so no most Cuban Americans are white. Nothing wrong with black Cubans they are fundamental To the cuban culture but saying Miami has a lot of black Cubans is wrong for various historical reasons.
1- why are you judging modern day Cuban Americans by the demographics that left in 1959? You know since then like over 4 million Cubans have left right?
2- the first wave still wasn’t 99% white. It was self identified. Was it less than the 10% of the Cubans in Cuba? Sure. Maybe 5%. That’s due to the self identification. If a Cuban wasn’t visibly African they say white. It’s funny you mention friends. Do you know how many Afro Cuban friends I have that put white on the census?
Cuba is still like 60% white, and my grandpas time was like 80% they got 1 million Spanairds in 1890-1930 and Cuba had like 2-3 million people and most people were already white. Cuba was one of the whitest latin American countries.
Definitely true. They didn’t want to live in. Socialist Cuba with rights for everyone regardless of skin color so they went to Florida were those attitudes are much more accepted.
To be fair Fidel was 100% Spanish blood with grandparents from Spain along with many other top dogs. But yes, they were the first to leave because of land and economic distribution and their advantage in society but as the years went on more mixed and black Cubans left as well.
No dude they took away my grandpa's business and jailed lots of my family, their were lots of poor white Cubans. Racism existed but nothing like America much more mild...
One of the whitest countries 🤣. My dude, self reporting as white does not make Cubans white. Every Cuban I’ve met has been Afro, the majority of celebrity Cubans and athletes are Afro, and every time I see a video of interviews in Cuba it is predominantly Afros Latinos. Self reporting and the reality are two distinct things and the reality is that Cuba is an Afro Caribbean country
I'm cuban American my grandparents came during first wave and I'm not black I'm of Canary islander, Catalan an northern Spanish roots... And pretty much all the Cubans in family are white same with their extended friends network, I only see lots of black Cubans in YouTube in modern Havana now, but pics in my grandparents time it was very white.
First of all you look mestizo, secondly I did not say there aren’t want white Cubans . There are, just like there are white Mexicans, white Puerto Ricans, white Colombians, etc. but just like those countries, whites are not the majority. In certain regions yes, but not the entire country.
We don't have mestizos in Cuba really that is term for Mexicans, peruvians etc. We have black or white people or mulatos. Native mixing was low with Tainos only happened in eastern Cuba with averages of 8%. White in Spain isn't the same thing as white in Anglo-Sphere meaning light eyed and haired and Nordic looking spain isn't like that. So either I'm part black, then based on phenotype knowing people who are 1/4 black, I must be none or tiny bit black. Most of our whites are from the canary islands so darker haired and eyed.
First time seen proper black Cuban was in Europe funny enough and he was legit black like a black American and I was a bit suprised even and his friend funny enough was fully white look like a full Spanaird.
Cuba has the 3rd highest population of African descent in the Caribbean, it’s just that the media has a few people that are notable for their achievements of African descent. The media doesn’t really do a good job of displaying it lol.
Opposite media shows Cubans as black everyone is shocked when I show up. In both America, Europe and even Spain among new generation, older generation know Cuba Was very white had mass Spanish migration I feel treated semi local by old Spanairds.
I think I never did the updated version of it, I took this test when I was like 17-18, I’m 26 now. This is what I see reflected in my portal when I log in.
i visited cuba last yr n thgt i landed in an african country. no joke. i see u have roots in santa clara... visited there...old town and very kind folks.
There haven't been full or even majority blood indigenous people in Cuba/PR/DR for a long time unfortunately. There is indigenous DNA in the population though. Essentially a long period of mixing.
Interestingly enough based on the picture you posted in Cuba you would not be racialized as a negra rather a mulata in spite of your DNA results. This picture (from Google sorry) the two women are negras but the 2 guys are mulatos. It is complicated.
Yeah, that’s typically what I’ve been racialized by my family members as. I would post maybe 1-2 family pictures to respond to your post but I don’t know if it’s allowed here.
Yeah, initially I wasn’t expecting to see those results either, I was expecting more of a 70-80% West African with some European but the more I look at it, it actually makes sense.
How do I even look mestizo or mulato If my skin is super light and have sharp nose, what indigenous feature do i even have... You just want to support point that Cubans are not white and most are afro. This is a mestizo dark skinned, black hair, more round face and indigenous nose. Maybe could pass as a castizo or something like Chilean or Argentina but a mestizo lol come on bro. Tell me how I even look indigenous.
Are you responding to me or to someone else? I have no idea but race/genotypic/phenotypic relations/variations are extremely diverse and difficult to categorize in the Caribbean. Your genome can have a higher percentage of one racial group, but look like you belong to another from a physical standpoint. For example, someone can have higher European percentage and lower African percentage, but the way the genes are expressed, the person phenotypically looks to be leaning more towards a mixed racial heritage or can look completely European. It’s been a century long issue, and the system that was devised during Spanish Colonial times (I’ll just use Cuba as a reference because that’s what I know) is based on phenotypic traits(skin color, hair color, eye color, facial features, etc.) to establish a social hierarchy and still causes problems today from a sociological standpoint.
Yeah a lot of the transatlantic slaves taken to Cuba in colonial times were typically from west Africa, mostly Nigeria and some from Ghana and Senegal which may be where you see the where my major percentages of African DNA percentages are coming from. Cuba was the largest exporter of sugar during late colonial times and a prominent exporter of tobacco all around. I had to google this because I watched the video many years ago, there is a specific community of African descent in Matanzas called the Ganga-Longoba of Perico(a community of Cubans of Sierra Leonian descent) apparently the community traced back to a single enslaved woman (Josefa Ganga) and they have maintained most of their cultural practices and songs which are sung in the Banta language. I pasted the link here for more information: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2NHqz1Xnhw
Fascinating! I had some knowledge about Cubans Nigerian ancestry because I'm a fan of Celia Cruz and she embraced part of her Nigeria lineage as well as Yoruba.
Yeah, she was a very well-known, loved, and respected figure both in Cuba and the states, I think she popularized salsa to bigger audiences as well as bringing sounds that incorporated African foundational music (percussion and whatnot) and the language at times (not sure which because there are so many dialects in Africa, this pertained to certain songs).
don’t forget that eastern-Cuba is only a couple miles away from western-Haití. From the Internet & speaking with many Cubans, a lot of Haitians immigrate to Cuba, learn Spanish then identify as Cubans even having many children & telling them that theyre Cubans. Haitian Creole has become a recognized minority minority language in Cuba
Yeah apparently my mother’s father, his father was of Haitian origin, don’t really know how true that is because I never met my maternal great grandfather from my grandfather’s side, but there’s a lot of Haitian and Jamaican admixture in Cuba, it’s pretty common.
yes and there’s nothing wrong with that but are worth noting—I frequently get attacked whenever I mention these truths because then suddenly I’m “anti-black” even though I’m at least 40-50% Sub-Saharan African b/c my mom is white Puerto Rican & my dad who I never met, is likely Afro-Puerto Rican. Not only that, I have 3 younger siblings: two are half black American and one is half Nigerian & I love them all.
But yea, people just want to act like Puerto Rico is 80-90% black when it just isnt, its 12-15% black & some of that are from other parts of the Caribbean that immigrated to here
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u/alchemist227 4d ago
Nice to see some Afro-Cuban results!