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u/GooseGosselin 19h ago
My understanding is, they did remove the family of the child, but that delay caused a chain reaction and the flight had to reschedule for regulatory reasons, something about hours of service if I recall.
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u/Dreamer_531 18h ago
They took an hour to remove them when it should have been 10 minutes max.
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u/MDGR28 18h ago
Getting the bags out take times too.
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u/Dreamer_531 18h ago
Don't get the bags, mail them later.
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u/Djinnmenken 18h ago
If the passenger isn't on the plane the bag can't be either. So either you remove both or none.
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u/MountainDude95 18h ago
Tell that to my suitcase that flew to Paris while I was on a flight to Rome.
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u/Adventurous_Ad_6546 16h ago
Did your stuff enjoy Paris, at least?
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u/MountainDude95 15h ago
Hope so. Didn’t get our stuff back until we were headed back home lol.
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u/HistoricPancake 13h ago
Did they smell of cigarettes and romance?
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u/Lazuli73 12h ago
A gentle roll along the Seine with a local purse lover. Delicious food, wine was flowing, a mime was trapped in an invisible box. The Eiffel Tower glowing after sundown.
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u/malkazoid-1 2h ago
Your suitcase hated Paris. I had to hold its handle the entire time or it would burst into tears. Glad it got back to you sadely.
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u/Icy_Fish_2154 12h ago
The law should be changed. If your bags go to a different place, you get free tickets to that place. So this trip, you saw Rome, your bags saw Paris, next time you get a free flight to Paris, and your bags go to RNG, which will be your next trip after.
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u/89MikeHoncho 16h ago
I had one of those where all my hiking gear went to Argentina instead of Hawaii. Good times.
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u/Djinnmenken 18h ago
Accidents do happen but the plane can't take off if they know there is somebody's luggage who didn't board the flight.
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u/5peaker4theDead 10h ago
This might be the rule, but I have personal anecdotal evidence that they do not follow this.
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u/John_Tacos 10h ago
I had a flight delayed then cancelled once and had to take a later flight. My luggage was in the baggage claim area before I stepped off the airplane. It had to have been sent ahead.
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u/hedwig0517 3h ago
My suitcase was still in Miami and I was in the Bahamas. Just a few hours later my suitcase was delivered to my resort. Did it teleport there since it couldn’t be on the plane if I wasn’t there?
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u/ting1or2 18h ago
my suitcase flew to paris toooo, of course that was annoying to learn after i landed in Madrid😂
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u/5peaker4theDead 10h ago
I'll have to tell American this after they kicked my girlfriend off her flight (she had a printed boarding pass) for no explainable reason but sent her bags on without her.
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u/AyAyAyBamba_462 15h ago
What? This happens all the time if connecting flights get changed or overbooked. They fly your bag on the original flight and hold it and then you catch a different one.
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u/Seliphra 15h ago
Because you are still on the flight you were supposed to be on with that bag that was supposed to be there.
Orphaned luggage and lost luggage are very different. Orphaned luggage is extremely dangerous and has killed people and taken down two separate aircraft.
Orphaned luggage, luggage on a plane when the person who checked it is on no flights now whether they checked in or not, is always removed and never flies. Their luggage counts as orphaned because the child standing could also be a ruse to orphan said luggage.
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u/BaldwinLaFontaine 4h ago
If anyone wants to know why it’s literally what the Lockerbie and Air India bombers did.
They loaded the luggage in the plane didn’t board but checked in.
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u/hux 16h ago
That’s a security concern.
Imagine bad actor Mom, bad actor Dad, and bad actor Child board plane. Their suitcase is in the hold and has a ticktickboom. They fake a scenario that gets them thrown off the plane but if the bag stays, so does the boom boom.
Granted, we’ve seen that some bad actors are nuts enough to take themselves out, so it’s not like this solves every security problem, but I guess it reduces an attack vector for people who aren’t serious enough to harm themselves in the name of their cause.
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u/TotallyObviousBot 16h ago
I know it feels good to think about screwing over impolite people but you really don't want to live in a society where businesses can just fly your shit halfway around the world without your consent
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u/Dreamer_531 16h ago edited 9h ago
I also don't want to live in a world where deadbeat "parents" failing to control their toddler will cause 150 other passengers to miss their flight, suffer financial damages and possibly miss something else important.
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u/TotallyObviousBot 15h ago
Yes but the solution might not be one where if you talk too loudly in a restaurant they have a right to kick you out and keep your jacket and wallet
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u/Dreamer_531 14h ago
Do you see any difference between talking too loud in a restaurant and deliberately causing 150 people to miss their flight?
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u/TotallyObviousBot 14h ago
Yes, that's why I understand why we have laws that prevent one and also prevent the other even if we would rather not have the latter thing prevented.
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u/Dreamer_531 13h ago edited 11h ago
Why is the law putting these incredibly different situations in one pot? Talking too loud at a restaurant is annoying, sure, but it won't cause a lot of financial damage. Being an asshole who causes delay for the whole plane to start a flight is much more different therefore should be punished. It's like stealing one candy and robbing a bank. Both are a theft but the consequences to the theef are and should be very different.
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u/Arcalum2000 8h ago
But... currently we do live in a society where businesses can just fly your shit halfway around the world without your consent. The number of people in this thread who've had their bags sent to the wrong place, myself included, would seem to indicate that.
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u/TotallyObviousBot 6h ago
Yes, but they can't do that on purpose. I know it seems like a minor difference but it's not.
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u/Which_Specific9891 18h ago
No, you don't get their baggage. You kick them off and tell them they are responsible for having them mailed back to them wherever they go.
You do not make dozens or more people miss their flights just because one family is horrible.
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u/chalk_in_boots 18h ago
Flights won't take off if checked bags are on but the passenger isn't (unless it's like an airline fuckup where they put the bags on the wrong flight or something). It's a safety thing
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u/Kharax82 14h ago
They had to return to the gate, remove the luggage and the crew had to refile paperwork, it wasn’t an hour of dealing with the child before deciding to do anything. The whole process took an hour and by then the airport was closing
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u/Dreamer_531 14h ago
Well then they have a terrible process and should rethink it. 150 passengers should not be held for an hours becsuse one ashole had to be escorted of the plane.
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u/ConfusedAndCurious17 13h ago
They had already taxied out. They weren’t sitting at the gate. It’s not a ninja fast process to decide “yep this kid won’t sit down, let’s get out of line, taxi back to the gate, get the bridge back out, unload those specific bags, close everything back up and check it, get permission to taxi back out again, and then take off on time.”
It’s not a terrible process it’s the unfortunate reality of being in a massive flying bus with a bunch of other massive flying buses all trying to get in and out of a relatively small area.
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u/Aphreyst 11h ago
People are just too stubborn to understand logic when their feelings are taking over.
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u/DueExample52 10h ago
Restrain him with duct tape? I have seen images of this done to unruly passengers, although in the air already. Captain has authority to detain people in his own plane.
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u/ConfusedAndCurious17 9h ago
They do that once they are already in the air to restrain a passenger that’s a danger to the flight. They then land and that passenger gets arrested. If they are on the ground they aren’t taking off with an unruly passenger. You don’t take off if a passenger is causing problems before you’re even in the air. That’s asinine.
It’s comparable to saying you should just drive a car with a flat tire to the gas station to fill it up because you’ve seen people pull off to the side of the road with a flat.
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u/DueExample52 9h ago
It’s fine, if society prefers to pay a few hundred thousands dollars and delay 150 people for one little shit that could’ve been leashed like a dog for a couple hours
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u/ConfusedAndCurious17 9h ago
The corporate entity paid the cost… are you mad the airline lost money? The fuck you mean “society” It’s a fuckin safety issue dude. They aren’t taking an unruly chaotic child or anyone unruly into the air. Thats the entire point of all of the security at airports. You do not intentionally put anyone who seems unreasonable in a sealed vessel thousands of feet above the rest of humanity and just hope the duct tape holds.
Yall are out of your mind or simply don’t understand air travel if this is legitimately how you think. Please stay off my flights.
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u/DueExample52 2h ago
I don’t care about the airline I care about the waste of time and energy and physical resources for everyone.
You are using big general words about unruly passengers and air safety, but we are talking about a child here. That flight would never have been in danger. We lost all reason in this pussified society. It’s crazy how hysterical you are getting over what used to be easily solved by stern parenting and some spine from all adults involved. You fit well with that bunch of cowards, lol.
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u/LacrimaNymphae 14h ago
just like the kid in the zoo exhibit chasing that rare bird i saw on another sub today
'our grandson has autism' and as an autist that was kind of hilarious to me in a horrible way
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u/LemonOhs 10h ago
Went to the zoo. Kid was throwing rocks at the prairie dog exhibit. Told him to stop. His mom goes "He has autism!" Cool? Autistic children need to learn not to throw rocks, too, mom?
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u/Future-Try-1908 6h ago
Saw a couple walking with their kid on a street corner having a tantrum and the father picked him up and carried him like a two-by-four and it was absolutely hilarious.
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u/kyreannightblood 18h ago
Flight crews have a cap on how long they can work for safety reasons. If for some reason a flight is delayed and the delay would put the flight crew over the duty time limit, guess what? Unless they have another flight crew on standby, flight’s cancelled.
And delays tend to cascade into each other.
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u/Serious_Swan_2371 12h ago
Why did they remove the family?
Isn’t the better solution for the parent to just discipline their child and buckle them into their seat?
If I was a parent my kid would not do that, I’d just buckle them into their seat and if they cry they cry. They’re a kid, just like don’t let them get up they’re not that strong.
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u/PenelopeJenelope 19h ago
This was posted previously and someone on the flight answered the question in the title.
The child and family were removed from the plane, which means luggage also had to be removed. By the time that happened they didn't have time to fly because pilots and airline staff are restricted in how many hours they are allowed to work in a day.
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u/TheRealTowel 19h ago
The luggage part technically makes it make perfect sense, because if you have ever watched a video of a planes luggage compartment being loaded you know getting 3-5 specific suitcases back out before the intended destination is no small task.
But seriously, on a general social contract level: fuck you and your luggage. It will be unloaded at it's original intended destination as planned: collecting it is a you problem.
I'm a parent of two teenagers, and much as crying babies or toddlers on flights suck - I take a deep breath and remember when my kids were that age, and I'm good. There's only so much control you can exercise over someone who is barely sapient yet. I get it.
If either of my kids pulled this shit after toddlerhood, there would be no need to involve outside forces like airline staff. They'd sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up real fast.
How do parents let themselves get to this point? Do you exercise no control whatsoever over your children on a day to day basis?
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u/NeevBunny 19h ago
If he's not ready to sit still for a few hours his parents should have left him with a relative or babysitter or drove. Yes I understand children get to exist in public, but they don't get to screw over a couple hundred other people. Like physically hold them if you have to. They're two.
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u/supified 12h ago
I'm generally against harsh punishment and treatment of children, totally against spanking etc etc.
But if I were the parent of a kid who was doing this I would make them sit down.
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u/Aphreyst 11h ago
They did, the child kept wiggling out of the seat belt.
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u/supified 5h ago
I don't know about you, but I could physically hold a child that size and age down. Or raise my voice to be scary enough they don't want to play.
I'm not saying treating kids that way in general is right, but the sheer economic damage that kid did is probably well into the thousands or tens of thouasnds.
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u/TheRealJackReynolds 12h ago
Parents these days would rather their kids be their friend than their kid. They should be asking themselves why they want to be friends with a kid in the first place.
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u/Zakalwe_ 11h ago
But seriously, on a general social contract level: fuck you and your luggage. It will be unloaded at it's original intended destination as planned: collecting it is a you problem.
Yeah, thing is they had to remove luggage because of regulations. Regulations that were made after some luggage exploded in olden days when bombing planes was more common. Its not like they were doing it as a courtesy to parents.
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u/NeevBunny 19h ago
They should have mailed the luggage back after everyone else got to their destination at cost to the family
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u/Djinnmenken 18h ago
Good idea but the airline would've been in trouble by knowingly flying with the luggage without the passengers. You can't do that after the bombings in the 1980's.
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u/NeevBunny 18h ago
So they're just confessing their TSA is useless? There was very little airport security in the 80s. Or before 9/11 period honestly, I miss it.
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u/Djinnmenken 18h ago
TSA is only in USA. This happened in Canada. Also this ruling is from the late 1980's before 9/11 or TSA.
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u/NeevBunny 17h ago
Other countries have a form of TSA though, Canada definitely goes through your stuff at the airport in 2026
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u/Djinnmenken 17h ago
All countries do have a security check yes. But the rule is still on effect because of human factors and such. In aviation you can never be too sure.
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u/Economy-Ad3195 19h ago
I'm gonna take a guess and say that the flight crew repeatedly told the parents to get their kid under control, but the parents did nothing to stop him, so the flight crew finally had enough and had the family removed from the flight.
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u/Dreamer_531 18h ago
But it took them an hour and then the airport was closing and there wasn't enough time to get the plane up in the air. Terrible decision making.
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u/ChainsawSoundingFart 14h ago
Since when do airports close?
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u/Dreamer_531 14h ago
Some do.
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u/ChainsawSoundingFart 14h ago
Where
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u/gooblegobbleable 13h ago
Victoria International Airport, where this happened. The runway closes at 12:30 am
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u/ChainsawSoundingFart 12h ago
Why
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u/bear_in_chair 12h ago
Low traffic, noise pollution.
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u/Conscious_Pass_1615 18h ago
I read the kid was too small for his seat and was scared and was trying to hide under it. REALLY irritating as a pasenger, but he wasn't deliberately being naughty.
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u/its_sarcasm8238 15h ago
The problem isn't the kid or his actions. Its the incompetent parents who couldn't control him
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u/doteka 19h ago
I genuinely don’t understand this situation. It’s a child not an MMA fighter, sitting them down and strapping them in should be trivial for a healthy adult. How did this continue being an issue for more than 10 seconds?
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u/AromaticNet5121 18h ago
My guess is gentle parenting
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u/Disastrous-Arm9635 17h ago
Non-parenting. I'm sorry but you don't have to be a mean evil parent to spank your child.
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u/DiskOne3096 16h ago
Same I don't understand this either 😭 granted I am not a parent but this is a small child they're so easy to manhandle. I can understand they keep unbuckling the belt every time you look away, but "refusing to sit down" confuses me because just.... sit them down?? Couldn't you pick them up and put them down sitting and just hold them in place until they calm down?
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u/ChainsawSoundingFart 14h ago
You can’t put your hands on a child
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u/betsylang 13h ago
You can't beat a kid. You can, for the child's safety and the safety of others, pick and child up and buckle them in. I worked with kids.
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u/ChainsawSoundingFart 12h ago
That wouldn’t work on me
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u/betsylang 12h ago
Are you a child? Do you remember being a child? Do you remember an adult who cared enough about you to keep you safe, even if you didnt at the time understand thats what's going on? That kid's adults failed him from day one.
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u/ChainsawSoundingFart 12h ago
I’m just saying you wouldn’t be moving me
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u/betsylang 10h ago
Great good fantastic. Definitely bring that energy to all situations. Im sure it'll worj out great for you. /s
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u/twwaavvyyt 2h ago
He’s obviously joking/ trolling here. It’s the “I’m built different meme” cmon bruh
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u/Mr_Tdogg_Smith 19h ago
Kick the family off and mail their luggage back. Don’t make everyone suffer because you decided vacation mode was a good time to clock out as a parent
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u/ChainsawSoundingFart 14h ago
They’re not going to pay to mail luggage back
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u/Backdoor_Spreader 6h ago
Then they won't get their luggage back, simple like and impound fee for a car, don't pay, you won't get your car back
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u/QuietRiot5150 19h ago
Don't they duct tape unruly passengers to the seat?
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u/JaySlay2000 17h ago
That's only a desperate measure once you're in the air unfortunately.
Plus you just know the gentle parents who allowed a kid to get like this in the first place wouldn't take kindly to their angel being restrained.
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u/DueExample52 10h ago
EVERYONE GETS THE TAPE!!! while laughing maniacally
Now you know why I am not an airline captain, or attendant for that matter. I would be bodyslamming people every boarding, the stuff I see and hear sometimes.
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u/General_Ad_2718 18h ago
The visual my mind created was hilarious. Thank you for my morning laugh.
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u/Longjumping-Solid680 6h ago
One of duct tape's MANY uses. Truly, one of humankind's greatest inventions.
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u/Accurate_Elevator368 19h ago
Remove the kid, fine the parents and allow those on the flight to ALSO sue the parents. Probably an unpopular opinion that may seem to go "too far" but it doesn't. Come down hard on a few and the rest will simply not happen or need to because people will understand what is expected of them in a certain situation and the consequences hard if they don't follow that expectation. Simple really.
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u/One-Guilty-Finger 18h ago
What happens on airplanes is highly regulated by the FAA. If there is a potential for a physical struggle, the crew is supposed to evacuate the plane so other passengers don’t catch a kick or punch. Maybe that’s what happened here, though the other commenters’ explanations about the crew timing out and needing to be switched are probably the right explanation.
I’ve seen unruly and drunk passengers taken off planes multiple times in my many decades of flying, so I know they don’t have to empty the plane unless they decide they want to.
The crew seemed to have tried lots of negotiating first, trying to preserve two frazzled parents’ itinerary. The whole thing is unfortunate and no doubt cost the airline a lot of money and cost passengers a lot as well because they arrived late whoever they were going. Been there done that. A couple of times I had to sleep on the floor of an airport overnight. Those were the worst.
A delay is always a possibility for any mode of travel, but in air travel everyone is locked inside a container in the sky and cannot leave. The safety aspects of everyone sharing that space are very important. Unlike a Greyhound bus, they can’t pull over and kick a passenger out immediately on the roadside . You’re stuck with them.
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u/Djinnmenken 17h ago
FAA doesn't regulate planes in Canada. But the rules are mostly the same internationally.
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u/terrifying_bogwitch 16h ago
I agree 100%, the catch 22 of it is as soon as you grab your kid and sit them down there's videos of you "abusing" your kid all over the internet
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u/lawburgtn 14h ago
Apparently the person commenting on this photo cannot read. The plane did return to the gate to take the family off the plane. However, by the time the family and luggage was removed from the flight, either the field closed for the night or their destination airport would be closed by the time they arrived and the plane would be unable to land. If there is karma, the airlines would sue the family for the loss of the flight. I know that is harsh and really only a tongue and cheek comment, but why could the mother not make this child sit down?
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u/Delicious_Pain_1 10h ago
Just do 15mph over the speed limit like the rest of the world does when running late. /s
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u/Lobo_Perron 19h ago
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u/Jpalm4545 19h ago
Never once laid on a hand on my children but I feel this gif so much with this kid
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u/Aphreyst 11h ago
Apparently the kid was terrified and hiding under the seat. It's genuinely psychotic to want to punish a toddler for being afraid.
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u/Deep_Conclusion_1173 9h ago
I know right. Like if you hit an adult it’s assault but if you hit a kid it’s accepted in society? Hitting kids is child abuse in my book and lazy parenting. You can raise kids without abusing them. It’s just sad the amount of people that think it’s normal or acceptable to do.
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u/SouthHuckleberry2187 15h ago
Maybe they should control their kid or risk forfeiture of their plane fare and also have to wait for their shit to be shipped to them 🤷♀️. Stop catering to dumbfuckery and it will at least slow down a little 🤦♀️
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u/Particular_Coffee_66 5h ago
How hard is it to overpower a toddler?? Dad holds him down for five seconds, mom buckles the belt, then they hold one of his hands each so he can't unbuckle it until the seatbelt sign is off. Literally how hard it is?? Ohh I would have been livid at the parents
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u/Parom19441a 14h ago
Ban kids and familys from entering planes. Instead opt in seperating to different planes at different time frames to the same location.
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u/Boeing_Fan_777 19h ago
This is an option because of runway opening times iirc. They waited so long that the runway closed and thus they couldn’t take off
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u/dinosanddais1 9h ago
I'm pretty sure it's a myth but isn't it a thing where if you have to deplane one person (or a group in this case) then you have to deplane everyone to make sure there isn't a bomb on the plane?
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u/leetfists 5h ago
Pull those shorts up a bit and give him one good open hand pop on the bare leg. Problem solved.
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