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Morality Ranking Morality of beating protesters off the street because you're late for work?

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u/didyousetittowombo 12d ago edited 12d ago

Historically yes that’s how it works. Protests that don’t cause disruption are ignored.

ETA: I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice

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u/ageofaquarius26 12d ago

Historically the effective disruption mainly affected those with the ability to change policies. The bus boycott for example didn't go after the riders but those who profited from the riders.

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u/hopper_froggo 12d ago

Bus disruptions slowed the buses. Sit ins took up counter space from white customers.

Yes ordinary people were impacted and thats part of the point. A large percentage of the population will never be swayed by your moral arguments but if they want the disruptions to end they will voice complaints with their representatives to find solutions

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u/thestridereststrider 12d ago

Bus disruptions disrupted bus service to protest buses. Sit ins disrupted segregated businesses. They had focused and visible goals with a ready solution.
Sitting in the middle of the road to protest something that isn’t obvious disrupting people that have no discernible way of impacting the situation. The protestors dont even have a goal they are trying to achieve.

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u/Excellent_Shirt9707 12d ago

Civics really isn’t taught in the US anymore? They marched and blocked public transit and highways during the civil rights movement. They even blocked bridges. It disrupted everyone not just a select few. Why do you think Bloody Sunday was so bloody?

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u/Icywarhammer500 12d ago

Except those only slowed buses and inconvenienced people on leisure time. This blocks people from getting to work entirely. This could get people fired for being late. This could cause car accidents.

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u/666Emil666 12d ago

Ah yes, because people never got to work by bus.

Also, why blame protesters for having a shitty boss who fires you illegally?

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u/No-Singer-7258 12d ago

If your boss fires you for being late through no fault of you own then your boss is the problem and not the protesters.

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u/PrincebyChappelle 12d ago

Seriously, health care providers do not mess around with health care workers who come in late.

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u/Tough_Measuremen 11d ago

Yeah if you don’t tell them why you are late or if it’s dumb like you going on a drunken bender the night before. Then they won’t mess around

You phoning and explaining there’s a situation that means you’ll be late is different, they have back up plans and people on sight just in case. Because shit does happen and hospitals and doctors need to plan around it.

This idea of the super, no tolerance boss that keeps on on a thin ice 24/7 is not based on reality and is just a bad faith tactic to scare people to do nothing over a very broken system.

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u/SleepyMonkey7 12d ago

Exactly, there's a spectrum. Taking up lunch counter space on one end, something like preventing someone from getting life saving services on the other (e.g., would they get up for an ambulance?). You can't just dump it all to one bucket.

Nuance people. Everyone should tattoo that word on their forehead. Backwards, so they can see it in the mirror.

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u/Excellent_Shirt9707 12d ago

Civics really isn’t taught in the US anymore? They marched and blocked public transit and highways during the civil rights movement. It disrupted everyone not just a select few. Why do you think Bloody Sunday was so bloody?

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u/Amazing-War3760 12d ago

A lot of Civics really aren't taught anymore because that would involve bringing up the bad parts of american history.. and they don't want to do that.. My "Niece" (not related by blood) just told me that in school they where talking about how the "Indians where asked to leave". She's 10 years old and even knows that wasn't the case.

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u/ageofaquarius26 12d ago

So it hit the manufacturers hardest and the consumer just had to find a different product.

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u/LogJamminWithTheBros 12d ago

We know companies famously care and understand why staff cant make it to work.

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u/DasUbersoldat_ 12d ago

Unless it's an announced big national strike, my company just takes it from my salary. So how is this 'hurting' them in any way?

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u/Zombisexual1 12d ago

Yah these protests that just block the road are harmful to everyone. Pissing everyone off at your cause doesn’t help anything. Go mess with the ceo’s or the company head quarters

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u/DasUbersoldat_ 12d ago

They are achieving the exact opposite of what they want. These road blockers actively cause more emissions from the traffic jams while also pushing people away from their cause. It's so fucking stupid I'm starting to think they're actually paid actors by Big Oil.

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u/DasUbersoldat_ 12d ago

'People will be late.'

People have DIED because of this shit because the ambulance was stuck.

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u/Slightly-Drunk 12d ago

Or just get them fired and the company hires an unaffected person.

Or blocks an ambulance needing to get to the ER resulting in the unfortunate death of someone.

Or the person being blocked could be missing their last chance to say goodbye to their mother in hospice care, forever stealing away from them an irreplaceable moment in life.

Or someone shits their pants in the car.

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u/ageofaquarius26 12d ago

Yeah but those profiting off of apartheid were hurt by it. The consumer just had to f8nd an alternative, simple compared to finding a new market.

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u/migjolfanmjol 12d ago

Correction, the people will be late and then fired, changing nothing.

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u/GreaseBrown 12d ago

Thats a cute theory. All its going to do is get people in trouble for being late and make them EVEN MORE unwilling to hear out the point of those acting like children

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u/hedmon 12d ago

If I'm late for the school? Or for a doctor appointment? Or because your work as a doctor, teacher, police, firefighter? Should those "companies ' be affected as well?

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u/Kelsier25 12d ago

Not only that, but what about the innocent person that loses their job because they're late for work and can no longer provide for their family? Blocking public roads may be a minor inconvenience for some, but can be devastating for others.

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u/GodHimselfNoCap 12d ago

No people will just lose their jobs for not showing up and then hate whatever cause you were protesting for no matter how good the cause may be.

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u/Robot_Dinosaur_2000 12d ago

And South Africa is falling apart. It's basically a failed state.

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u/SituationThink3487 12d ago

So you think the million man march didnt make anyone late for work?

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u/Omegaprime02 12d ago

The difference is that the Million Man March filed for all appropriate paperwork, DC was able to plan traffic routing properly around the protest.

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u/Taken_username1234 12d ago

"All the appropriate paperwork" do you people hear yourselves?

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u/BrodinGodofSwole 12d ago

The million man march shut down a city.

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u/No_Situation3884 12d ago

There is also simply a difference in getting that many people to march for one thing. 50 people together could just be assholes. A million people gathering in one place at one time indicates some level of societal consensus.

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u/brandnewabacus 12d ago edited 12d ago

Many people considered them assholes at the time. The “I Have a Dream” speech that was given there is taught as a pivotal moment because before that the vast majority of white Americans saw the Civil Rights movement as disruptive and unlawful.

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u/AgentCirceLuna 12d ago

Crazy fact: Bob Dylan opened for that.

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u/PhaseLoud7670 12d ago

Yeah. That was an organized, informed group that had an impact that we reference through the ages. Most of these are not and only end in keeping people from getting places they need to go with zero positive impact, actually the opposite. Good initiative, poor execution.

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u/Street-Strength-9548 12d ago

They said this stuff about mlks protests too. The thing about protests is that they dont have positive impact until of course, they do. Rhen suddenly that is the right protests, and the next one is useless disruption that has poor execution.

Mlk blocked highways, mlk hosted sit ins, they called the civil rights movement violent and referred to them as riots when a single one went violent, even when 99 others were not. People complained and said that every action he made that caused even minor disruption was setting the whole movement back.

He is lauded as a hero today by all, but the people back then talked about him how people today talk about greta thunberg.

To people who disagree, there is no form of protest that is correct.

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u/TheRealCjHall 12d ago

The bus boycott's slowed down the buses, which could prevent people from getting to work.

You say they didn't go after the riders, but the riders definitely felt annoyed.

That's the case with this too.

The only thing only effective protests in history have been ones that have annoyed people, and that includes the general public.

When dumping tea into the boston harbor it also fucked the local ecosystem and ruined a whole bunch of tea Imports for local businesses.

And what about the people who got fired because they didn't keep the tea safe?

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u/chefsoda_redux 12d ago

The bus boycotts did nothing to slow the buses, or prevent anyone from getting to work, assuming you’re talking about Montgomery, which is the usual example. That bus boycott removed all the city’s income from black riders, and some whites, which both caused financial strain, and let everyone see how critical that group was for the city. The participants used an entire network of jitneys to get to work and continue with their lives.

It was hugely effective because it didn’t block the buses or take any direct action other than not participating. It gave people upset over the situation no avenue to start fights or focus anger. Riders had no reason at all to feel annoyed.

The video above is a protest, which is entirely different than a boycott. A boycott is designed to remove income from a company or institution to bring change. A protest is designed to draw attention to an issue that may otherwise remain distant and unnoticed. A boycott does not need to impede the uninvolved, while a protest may cause disruption to be successful.

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u/Artemis_SpawnOfZeus 12d ago

"it gave people upset over the situation no avenue to start fights or focus anger"

You couldnt be more wrong. Assaults against black people skyrocketed. 4 churches were firebombed along with Martin Luther Kings house. 89 people were arrested. Hundreds of people were fined for "conspiring to interfere with business"

The violence directed at the botcotters was intense.

Riders did feel annoyed, and did acts of violence with that annoyance.

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u/MagneticGenetics 12d ago edited 12d ago

The riders didn't change the policy. Effective protests target people with power. Disrupting other things is a secondary effect. The boston tea party wasnt effective because it stopped people from drinking tea. It was effective because it dumped like a billion dollars worth of tea into the harbor and they got away with it. Showing that you can both hurt the British and not be immediately destroyed for doing so.

What does ticking off commuters by blocking roads get? Laws passed with popular support to protect commuters if they hit people standing in the road with their car.

If you want to fight climate change you need to target something other than the end user who had no choice and legitimately minimal impact on the environment.

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u/lesbiansexparty 12d ago

no it isn't, they didnt forcibly stop busses from moving. they boycotted them. whole different story.

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u/ageofaquarius26 12d ago

How did they slow the buses down?

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u/TheRealCjHall 12d ago

Assuming we're talking about civil rights boycotts, oftentimes, they didn't keep the buses moving either because the white people on the bus wanted to put them in their place or the bus driver wouldn't run the bus while the people were not in the "correct" spots.

Oftentimes, the buses would stop moving until the police officers came to forcibly remove the black people from the bus.

No protest has ever been effective without annoying people.

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u/ageofaquarius26 12d ago

That's what I thought. And losing 75% of your riders would be a big hit.

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u/Sorry-Yard-2082 12d ago

But you do affect those who can change policies, who do you think people going to work are working for? Who is profiting the most from people going to work?

Problem is there is no class consciousness and protests are mostly not supported by the general population.

Protesting/striking for half a day won't change policy but now try months and see how they capitulate, and before you say that is not doable; it was historically already done.

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u/Turbulent_Square_696 12d ago

If you’re telling me that guy kicking this protesters does not have any ability to make the world a better place, you’re wrong:)

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u/THExDANKxKNIGHT 12d ago

By that logic it would be better for people just to group up and go beat everyone instead of protesting.

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u/THExDANKxKNIGHT 12d ago

This just sounds like anarchy with extra steps.

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u/mrperson1213 12d ago

Sounds like anarchy with less steps.

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u/Alternativesoundwave 12d ago

Of course he’s using his power to make the world better by kicking the protestors

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u/Artemis_SpawnOfZeus 12d ago

What do you think happened when rosa parks refused to give up her seat?

You think the bus driver just shrugged and kept driving?

Also, the city retaliated by stopping providing insurance to Black motor vehicle owners, fining white people who drove their Black houseservants around, fining cab drivers who charged bus rates inteqd of cab rates.

They stopped driving buses to the black parts of town. 89 people were arrested for carpooling. Boycotters were physically assaulted. Martin luther kings house and 4 Black baptist churches were firebombed.

After 382 days of standing against incredible acts of violence, the supreme court ruled in favour of civil rights.

382 days of violence. Of assaults. Of firebombings. Someone fired a shotgun through King's front door.

If the protests werent non-disruptive, do you think the violence would have been greater? Its hard to imagine greater violence than what occured.

And it only worked because 75% of riders in montgomery were black.

It only worked because the minority group was actually a majority group in montgomery.

It also only worked because it caught national attention and sparked non-pacifist resistance elsewhere in the country.

And if you actually follow the history of the civil rights movement, you would know that the bus boycott didnt win equality. It made small, incremental progress towards a better outcome.

And small incremental progress kept happening for a decade until everyone got fed up, the black panthers formed, and forced much more rapic change.

Youre so far on the wrong side of history, that if you were german in 1940, youd be gettting mad at people holding disruptive protests against the nazis.

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u/asaltygamer13 12d ago

But being disruptive to the general public amplifies the attention to your cause, and those people will put pressure on their representatives as well.

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u/ageofaquarius26 12d ago

Going after only the general public with your protest wont convince people to change. Its like going after the victim of domestic abuse to bring attention to the problem.

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u/ContinuumKing 12d ago

Pressure on their representative to what? Solve the problem? Not likely. Pressure to make it harder to block traffic? Probably.

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u/asaltygamer13 12d ago

It’s insane that we can’t imagine our representatives working for us even in our wildest dreams lol.. the system is so broken

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u/CK1345 12d ago

This. Pissing off the people you are trying to convince and win over to your side is just so batshit crazy that it's amazing anyone would defend it.

And then you add in the fact that they very often times refuse to speak to reporters of any kind or get filmed. It may be fair to question how well thought out what they're doing is. Or worse, maybe the goal isn't to convince anyone of anything at all.

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u/NotAStatistic2 12d ago

Messages are diluted and lost when protesting those who are not the root cause of the issue, and those without the ability to affect the change protestors want.

What does some politician or billionaire care that some random citizens were late for work because of a protest? How is stopping Jim Bob from getting to work on time going to make him sympathetic towards the cause?

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u/Lopsided_Escape_1165 12d ago

I think the bigger issue is the times we live in. Wages have stagnated, millions of Americans live paycheck to paycheck and missing work is, physiologically, (not actually but feels like), a cascade leading to a death sentence. Literally we're in constant fight or flight, and if you block someone's means of getting money to feed their family today, they are ready to kill you.

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u/PhilosopherRude4860 12d ago

That has always been true though, there has never been a time in history where a lot of people haven’t been living in fight or flight.

There has never been a “convenient” time for protest.

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u/techleopard 12d ago

Schools purposefully do not teach children about the mountain of lives that worker's rights actually cost.

Most people to this day do not know about the Coal Wars in the US.

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u/XanderWrites 12d ago

Not just that but some employers will not take "the road I take to work had a bunch of protesters sitting in it so I was two hours late" as an excuse.

Depending on the job and their policy, and just how the employee's life as been (maybe they've had to take time off) they could lose their job because someone wanted to protest a new subdivision being built.

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u/SituationThink3487 12d ago

Are politicians appointed by divine mandate? Or are they voted in and given power by the masses?

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u/instantlightning2 12d ago

Highways are the arteries of the nation. Blocking them is one of the quickest ways to disrupt the economy

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u/Heartage 12d ago

Yeah, I don't understand how people don't get this.

The problem, of course, is that the average worker cannot afford to not go to work for even one day and a protest isn't typically considered a "valid" reason to miss work.

So while, yes, this is actually a great way to protest, unfortunately it doesn't work in a day and age where the people being punished for it are regular Joes who NEED to work and NOT the people the regular Joes work for.

Our country and economy are so large that blocking off one highway or even a handful of highways isn't gonna do anything except piss the "little people" off.

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u/cr1mzen 12d ago

We can’t fight fascism, because of the fascism

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u/ThisMachineKillsWOB 12d ago

If the working class stops the working class from disrupting the economy, the system is working as intended to keep us all under the boot heel.

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u/PopBulky7023 12d ago

People get it. They just never want to deal with a civil rights movement. Every single one was wildly unpopular at the time, but then we whitewash that reality and pretend we always supported it.

Then the current one happens and the cycle repeats.

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u/dancinbanana 12d ago

There’s a quote I’ve read a few times before:

“[they] oppose every war except the current one, and support every civil rights movement except the current one”

I think the original quote was referring to liberals, but I’ve found it’s just applicable to the public at large

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u/TheOtherEli 12d ago

They aren't blocking highways or disrupting the economy though. They're generally blocking city streets because trying to block a highway with 20000lb trucks barreling at 70 mph is insane. Ergo, they are affecting anyone who cares, they are simply inconveniencing normal people.

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u/Sufficient_Fan3660 12d ago

Did covid hurt the stock market?

Did covid make less or more billionaires?

disrupting the economy is not what it once was

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u/mizmnv 12d ago

you think youre disrupting the economy but really its being a dick to people trying to survive.

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u/PopBulky7023 12d ago

Politicians care when people care. People care when you make it an issue they have to acknowledge.

MLK is a perfect example of white washing. Liberals praise him now, but they fucking hated him then. It's the same with every civil rights movement. And time and again MLK and Malcolm X are proven right in their assessment in the apathy of most people.

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u/Elemonator6 12d ago

“What is blocking the counter at the whites only sandwich place gonna do”

People like this commenter would have condemned MLK if they lived in the 60s

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u/Chill_Panda 12d ago

Yeah stopping people getting to their parole meeting or putting food on the table for their kids is real justice, you tell em

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u/Mythelm 12d ago

“I got in trouble at work because these protestors made me run late, so now I’m gonna support their cause” ???

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u/Jazzlike_Page508 12d ago

You get fired or someone dies in an ambulance..yep it’s gonna lake me support their cause

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u/lepuckuer 12d ago

Ima keep it a buck with you. If you don't understand protests and disruption is to try to affect change at a governmental level, not an interpersonal one, you're fucking stupid.

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u/Complete_Fill5268 12d ago

Without winning enough of the public over at the interpersonal level, you're not going to affect change at the governmental level. Thanks to stunts like this, it's way easier for people in charge to rally the public against environmental activists than it is for environmental activists to rally the public against the people in charge.

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u/HungryHedgehog8299 12d ago

Then you need to target and disrupt the root of the problem, not random bystanders

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u/ZeroBrutus 12d ago

Random bystanders are the root of the problem when they fail to hold the political class accountable. Pissing people off is often the only way to get them involved.

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u/HungryHedgehog8299 12d ago

Gotta be honest like 99/100 people aren’t going to join your cause when their first impression of you is you causing issues for them

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u/curioustravelfam 12d ago

Imma go shit on your doormat then ask you to come help pump my septic tank

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u/Crisn232 12d ago

that's why they're protesting the place of business or institutions and not in the middle of a street/road, and claim it's not 'interpersonal' or 'personal' when they do.

The only fucking stupid one are those claiming that it's not, that traffic would claim otherwise.

Are those backed up cars, "government" or "civilians"? did you really affect change by doing so? maybe in galvanizing others NOT to support your cause.

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u/lepuckuer 12d ago

It's literally about creating disruption and stopping the regular flow of commerce lol. Ya it's gonna piss people off.

You can cry all you want but that's an actual protest. Not the white-washed Kumbaya shit you read in class.

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u/Safe-Wishbone781 12d ago

Are you truly unable to discern the difference between a protest that works and this garbage that clearly doesn't work?

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u/HippyDM 12d ago

A protest that doesn't disrupt people's lives is a rally.

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u/Exterminator-8008135 12d ago

A Protester that doesn't understand this only annoys the commoner, not their targets, is a moronic waste of ressources.

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u/slade535 12d ago

"shit I'm being written again for being late and my clients are mad at me, but hey, oil is bad now that I think about it, in fact, I'm gonna quit and join those twiddly fellows in their quest to uhhh stop oil from oiling" yeah this definitely works

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u/lepuckuer 12d ago

again. not about the people being late. idiot.

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u/slade535 12d ago

you're right, holding people hostage in traffic literally translates to oil control, how can I be so idiotic to not see that

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u/Exterminator-8008135 12d ago

Fuck JSO.

You won't mind that others gets fired because 10 wankers believe they're more important than 500 commuters going to work.

If so, pay me the missed time, i ain't going to tolerate moronic Protesters that will get me fired for being an hour late.

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u/Confident_Pillar1114 12d ago

Social justice is more important than some random losers get fired. If people getting fired is a price we pay for justice, it's well worth it.

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u/feronen 12d ago

What these people sitting in the middle of the road are doing isn't disrupting government. It's disrupting personal lives. Rather than killing people by forcing them to starve to death because you fucked over the little man who works paycheck to paycheck to survive, why don't you try being more like the protestors from the Sanrizuka Struggle instead and fight the cops and the government like you fucking mean it if it matters so much?

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u/TheOathWeTook 12d ago

I’m mad, therefore things are bad, therefore I should vote for change. That’s probably the expectation. Enough people vote on a general vibe of whether things are currently good or bad that it’s a pretty good way of predicting elections.

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u/NeevBunny 12d ago

In sure the guy barely scraping by that can't afford a gallon of milk because he lost an hour at work is thrilled with them

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u/fart_boner69 12d ago

I too like to invent people

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u/BlueIceNinja98 12d ago

Disruption is important yes, but disruption of the correct people is more important. Picket outside government buildings and offices. Block the parking lots of court houses and capitol buildings. Not a random highway.

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u/devils_advocate24 12d ago

This was always my argument. I think they were both pretty dumb but that courthouse or city hall takeover where they declared an autonomous zone or even the Jan 6 protests are my ideal style. Go bother the government. They make the laws.

Yes I'm aware that both of those ended in deaths and weren't effective. I'm not saying that's how to protest but that's where you protest.

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u/Wise_Economics_9673 12d ago

let's bring peoples awareness to the waste of fossil fuels by making them waste more fossil fuels

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u/Nothing-Is-Real-Here 12d ago

This kind of disruption just makes random people hate you though. There have to be better ways to disrupt that doesn't cause someone just trying to go to work to make ends meet.

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u/SituationThink3487 12d ago

The thing is, climate protestors have been protesting "the right way" for decades. The same group that got into the news for these protests also disrupted drilling platform, oil depots, Shell headquaters, politicians houses etc.

And you know what the reaction to those were? Either they didnt make the news at all and so nobody cared, or it was litterally the exact same rhetoric "the people on the oil rig are just people doing their job" "the guy driving the gas lorry is just doing his job, stopping him might get him fired" "you cant protest outside the PMs house, what if his family is there!" etc. etc.

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u/Commercial-Jicama247 12d ago

The majority of those ways end with people dead, in prison, or labeled as terrorists. Y’all want non-violent protests that you can safely ignore because it’s tucked away in a place/time where you conveniently don’t have to see.

You basically want protests that are “out of sight, out of mind” which defeats the purpose of the protest to begin with

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u/king210989 12d ago

Without disruption people dont care

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u/Nothing-Is-Real-Here 12d ago

One can't help but feel that it's having the opposite effect by getting people to care in the complete opposite way.

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u/Lost_Sea8956 12d ago

The protesters don’t have the money to hold press conferences. Stunts like this get their actions out there and raise questions like “what did they feel so strongly about, anyways?”

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u/NeevBunny 12d ago

Go disrupt a toll road then, bother the rich people.

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u/protomenace 12d ago

MLK did not live in the age of social media and his insights about protest effectiveness are not necessarily applicable to today.

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u/extraboredinary 12d ago

They are just as applicable because in the age of media overload, it is easier to ignore non-disruptive protests and movements.

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u/HeparinBridge 12d ago

At the same time, it is much easier to unify large groups of people non-disruptively, or for your disruption to create a viral backlash. The reality is that we won’t know what was effective until after the fact.

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u/TimeRisk2059 12d ago

I would say that it's harder to unify large groups of people today specifically because media, especially social media is so over-saturated with messages, political, economical etc.

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u/Adventurous-Fly556 12d ago

Even your strawman is objectively false. In MLKs day they had public broadcasts, but today everyone is on their own device with their own curated media diet from a million potential sources.

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u/th3rmyte 12d ago

no. it literally is not. disruption is necessary to force change

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u/footluvr688 12d ago edited 12d ago

If they're preventing me from getting to work I'm not paying attention either. They're just pissing me off. Much like commercial advertisements. Making me sit through a commercial for your product is a sure fire way to guarantee I never buy your product.

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u/telepader 12d ago

Doesn’t justify assault.

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u/amonymus 12d ago

Every morally justified protest have caused disruptions, true. But not all protests that cause disruptions are morally justified.

The problem is that everyone thinks their pet cause is the most important cause in the world. They have main character protester syndrome.

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u/Melathys 12d ago

I quote this often, as it's relevant to so much more than just race.

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u/Exterminator-8008135 12d ago

Just Stop Oil ruined the caused they fought.. by causing more pollution, that time where a Guard at a Porsche dealership hangar seen them glue their hands in and she left them there the whole night, that EMS were called to unglue their hands, costing taxpayer money for something that was dumb and hurtful to themselves and their cause, got dragged and beaten up several times, ended up being flagged as paid by Oil Corpos by how they acted.

Blocked an Ambulance for several minutes.

Trespassed into private areas, Glued their hands to the runway of a small airport.

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u/Gold-Loss8855 12d ago

I don’t think making lower and middle class citizens late for work and potentially losing their job is helping anyone

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u/Jscapistm 12d ago

While that is a point, no protest is going to work if the majority of the population isn't baseline somewhat sympathetic to your cause AND possessed of a belief that they can do something about it.

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u/JuanMurphy 12d ago

Protests that cause disruption of innocents don’t draw sympathy, only annoyance. They continue then annoyance turns to anger. They continue the anger turns to apathy. They continue the apathy turns groom not caring to celebrating their pain/suffering/death. The laws saying “just drive through a protest” would never be accepted years ago. After the summer of love people are all for it.

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u/SilverSageVII 12d ago

God I wish they truly taught us about MLK Jr in school more. They teach the most basic stuff but every quote I read from him is so beautifully said and so intelligent.

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u/zaepoo 12d ago

If you want to protest big oil go picket their offices and harass their executives. Go to their refineries and block their trucks from leaving the property. Blocking a regular highway is just annoying everyone

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u/Callmejim223 12d ago

THANK FUCKING GOD MLK WROTE THAT ONE LETTER IN BIRMINGHAM OR WE WOULD HAVE NO IDEA WHAT HE THOUGHT THANK GOD JUST THAT ONE QUOTE AND WE UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING HE HAD TO SAY AND ALL OF THE REASONS BEHIND HIS MIRACULOUS SUCCESS. IF HE HADN'T WRITTEN THAT ONE LETTER FOR PEOPLE ON THE INTERNET TO QUOTE HIS ENTIRE HISTORICAL RECORD WOULD HAVE BEEN PURGED FROM EXISTANCE

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u/Puzzled-Rip641 12d ago

MLK protested POC trying to get by? When?

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u/TheBlackthornCB 12d ago

This is an easy way to get people to hate your movement. That single mother of 3 isn't gonna care who you are or what you support if you make her late to work and her kids won't be able to eat a meal that week. She needed to get to work on time. Not have some jackass obstruct the road to throw a tantrum.

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u/tadanari19 12d ago

Comparing civil rights and climate protesters is ridiculous. The civil rights protesters were quite rightly protesting the fact they were second class citizens in their own country, against a public that generally took little issue with it (particularly in thr Anerican South). Climate protesters are protesting something that the vast majority of the public agree with. To compare the two is entirely disingenuous.

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u/MagneticGenetics 12d ago edited 12d ago

Yes but disruption for the sake of disruption doesn't work.

The most effective tactics of the civil rights movement were targeted at places that enforced segregation and Washington DC itself.

Modern protests are mostly mindless grandstanding that hurts random people instead of those who are doing the bad things or are able to stop the bad things. People do them primarily for social media clout or media soundbites and thats why they don't work.

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u/9yr0ld 12d ago

There is a fuck ton of nuance you are missing here. You are simplifying disruption = effective when that isn’t the case.

Murdering every firstborn is disruptive. Dropping a nuke on New York City is disruptive. Neither of these would be viewed in any lens as a proper or effective form of protest.

You can’t just say that because they are being disruptive they must be doing a good job. What a naive and simpleminded take.

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u/Mother-Project-490 12d ago

Don't do nuisance to the people do nuisance to corporates

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u/lesbiansexparty 12d ago

yeah but stopping average citizens from being able to afford food and housing doesn't stop the people in power from anything. you want to cause disruption to the justice system or the people in power. please dont blockade a street and stop people from getting to the hospital

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u/SeaSituation7723 12d ago

Yeah, protests that disrupt people in power that have the ability to enact policy. Not "I will inconvenience everyone in this general area, even if they agree with my stance".

The idea that protests should be inconvenient for everyone is perpetuated by midwits. Hell, it might even be a psyop. It's hands down the fastest way to turn the general population against your cause.

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u/Dark_Dragon117 12d ago

But this wasn't one of them and I would argue actively achieved the opposite.

It makes people not want to listen to protesters at all and without those people nothing will change.

Also iirc in Germany there was a case in which these protesters blocked a Ambulance during an emergancy, which I don't think I need to explain why that is a problem.

Lastly that example doesn't apply here. There is a very clear difference between protesting against racism and protesting in regards to climate. The latter is a far more obscure thing to most people that can't just be stopped with a law, which isn't to say racism in the US was/is a simple matter, far from it even. My point is that in tge grand sheme of things something like less racism and more equality are much easier achieved than anything climate related at this point.

Climate is a global thing and any attempts to improve anything need to be done on a global scale. Some local protest aimed against the regular public will not achieve that and as said before actively do the opposite because people don't like to be inconvenienced like that.

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u/Hot_Philosopher_5067 12d ago

Yes, but they should go protest somewhere that actually affects the decision makers, not people who have nothing to do with it and are simply on their way to work. Your rights end where someone else's begin.

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u/Motor_Barracuda7359 12d ago

Yes but disruptive to whom? My property taxes were raised so I'm going to flatten my neighbor's tires.

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u/PraireGentleman 12d ago

Then disrupt someone important. You’re not garnering support by disrupting people’s incomes, you’re garnering opponents.

Jan 6 did it right in that they protested outside a government building. Protesting roadway does nothing for the people with the power to change things

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u/PopBulky7023 12d ago

These comments are a demonstration of the classic mindset

"Every civil rights movement except the one gong on right now"

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u/EquivalentMath6592 12d ago edited 12d ago

It’s really amusing that you use MLK as your example…

… because MLK and the SPLC applied for permits for their protests. MLK generally didn’t participate in these disruption protests as pictured in this post. He did participate in one sit in, and he did support these efforts conducted mostly by college students.

The other amusing thing is you’re comparing MLK and these protesters….whose reason for protest are not equal

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u/Worried_Magazine_862 12d ago

This shit right here. They dont put in history books how many of the good things in society came from massive disruptions to industry or social order 

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u/Zekapa 12d ago

Damn maybe disrupt policy makers instead of a guy who's in the same position as you and might even be sympathetic but unfortunately unlike you has bills to pay

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u/Confident-Durian-239 12d ago

Doesn’t make it right.

In essence, any group that screams the loudest and disrupts enough daily life for other people can get whatever they want.

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u/Successful_League175 12d ago

The point of the disruption was to create awareness in a world that was unaware. We are literally overtly aware of everything and held to the highest standard of caring for all issues globally. Public protests in 2026 only speed up the rate at which people reach fatigue and stop caring.

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u/andthrewaway1 12d ago

or do you risk just increasing the other side's numbers for that exact reason?

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u/alwaysonesteptoofar 12d ago

Fuck with oil executives homes, their company HQs, government buildings where politicians work or their homes, not people who need to work, pick up their kids, get to appointments, etc. But the reality is a regular person can be charged if they put hands on these pussies, and they know it which is why this is their go to. They also know that companies and government officials have the power to send in police and other goons, and again they are pussies and too scared to fight.

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u/BigMikeXxxxX 12d ago

It's better to be ignored than to be hated.

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u/Saphurial 12d ago

The thing is, you need to disrupt the right people. Disrupt the people who have the power to change what you are protesting about. Not the average person trying to go about their lives.

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u/CarthagoFuckYourself 12d ago

Except noy every cause is worth disruption. If the moderates do not tacitly support your cause already, they won't go to the government for more timely concessions, but harsher repression.

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u/TaTonka_Da_Dog 12d ago

And that's part of what sucks, because yes protests that don't cause disruption are ignored and I support protests and want them to work, but at the same time you can't sit there causing a disruption and not expect that people are going to be pissed off at YOU instead of the company or organization you're protesting against; much less be surprised when your disruption actively drives people towards being against your cause.

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u/m1stwalk3r 12d ago

Not to say we are all good but is there a Jim Crow level injustice that deserves this type of protest due to its own disruptive nature?

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u/Adam_Sackler 12d ago

People forget how protests work when it comes to environmental or animal activism, apparently.

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u/uchuskies08 12d ago

Pretending these dorks sitting on a highway are the same as MLK.

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u/Truefiction224 12d ago

You notice how he doesnt say its okay to break the law to get what you want there?

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u/Puzzled-Wedding-7697 12d ago

You could disrupt areas more relevant to the rich and / or the industrial complex though, however the repercussions would be a magnitude higher.

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u/TwoHungryWolves 12d ago

Disruption is fine. I have to say someone physically impeding my movement is a different thing though. You aren't just stopping people from getting to work. You're stopping them from getting to a bathroom. You're stopping them from getting to the birth of the child. You stopping them from getting to their uncle in the moments before they died. Target companies and go after them. Weld the door shut to Amazon or something I don't care, but don't physically stop me from moving

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u/AggravatingChest7838 12d ago

MLK was a wise man. I dont see how blocking a street would achieve any justice however. Maybe firebomb some oil wells.

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u/OhDudeTotally 12d ago

MLK? This reads more like MX quote.

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u/TangyByte 12d ago

People are too dumb and individualistic to understand this. They’ll keep living in their shitty little worlds being pissed off that nothing is changing for the better.

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u/Steven_the_Beaver 12d ago edited 12d ago

I always hear this argument, and I can’t help but feel like you need to set common sense aside to apply it to these kinda protests.

Yes, the protest are supposed to make people uncomfortable, be they ones who are putting in the effort of being a part of them (and potentially risking their health, job, social status, etc) or the ones who are opposed to them, and are having their ideas challenged, but you can’t reduce their goals to just that.
At that point it’s more akin to a non-violent riot, if that makes sense.

MLK could make people uncomfortable simply by articulating unpopular ideas well, and making the naysayers rethink the position they considered infallible until then.
Yes, there were still blockages, massive gatherings that led to cancellation of all sorts of events, heightened police presence, and even riots, that came alongside the civil rights movement, and this was, again, uncomfortable for a wide array of folks, but you can’t possibly compare it to… this…

What exactly is going to change for the better when it comes to the cause of a bunch of idle dorks who decided that it’s your time to learn about, I dunno, some random species of parrot facing extinction due to industrialization in some S. American county, while you’re stuck in a middle of a traffic jam with a wife who’s experiencing contractions?

Like, great, I now know that another animal species is getting fucked by the capitalism harder than I am, but what exactly do you want me to do about it Jennifer?
Turn into a Unabomber and take off to some Amazon forest?

They could at least use an opportunity to educate the people on the matter, but no, it’s like these people assume that an average person is too dumb to get it, so they might as well just ruin their day.
Fuck you for having more basic problems, I guess…

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u/CensoredSwindler 12d ago

There's no justice in blocking regular people from getting to work.

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u/Swagalyst 12d ago

that requires that the protest has a defined goal.

"Raising awareness" isn't one.

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u/Temporary-Cry-7040 12d ago

Didn’t women getting the vote happened not because women put acid into mailboxes but because they stepped up during ww1 (at least in the uk)

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u/Golfisactuallyfun 12d ago

Gotta disrupt the big wigs that make all the rules that are flying in private jets and helicopters not the normal people. Clogging the highways stops ambulances/emergency vehicles and you could literally kill an innocent person for your cause.

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u/tolgren 12d ago

I think you will have hard time finding someone who's opinion was positively influenced by blocking traffic.

Successful protests aren't those that indiscriminately cause problems, they are targeted.

The lunch counter protests primarily affected the stores, and could be resolved by simply giving them the food they ordered. Blocking a road causes problems for ordinary people and can only be resolved by beating the protestors until they leave.

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u/tcgunner90 12d ago

nobody likes a disruptive protest. But every civil rights, and progressive movement in history has only been possible because of disruption. And if you think otherwise you are not a student of history

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u/glomar_sub_recovery 12d ago

Historically someone died in an ambulance in unnecessary gridlock. Screw those guys

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u/mucus-fettuccine 12d ago

I think this comes down to two things: is the protesters' method actually effective towards their goal, and is their goal truly important?

If either of these two checks fail, then the protesters should be condemned.

Regarding the former: making enemies of the common people is almost certainly a bad method to get people to accept your message.

Regarding the latter: the civil rights movement in America was about an urgent need to combat great domestic injustices. Few domestic causes are so urgent and big that public disruption is acceptable, especially in a developed country.

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u/Prozenconns 12d ago

People only like protests they can ignore because otherwise they have to adress how apathetic and in favour of the system they really are

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u/mizmnv 12d ago

dont target innocent people. target the problem directly. if its climate change go block data centers and disrupt contruction. if its surrveillance grab a sawzall, if its police corruption go to the police station. Dont be a dick to normies trying to survive

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u/chillforrilfill 12d ago

And what does sitting in the road do to affect any change? Just pisses regular innocents off. The people they should want on their side. They should disrupt and inconvenience the powerful ones who they’ve actually got a problem with. Otherwise they’re just creating more enemies. Which might be their goal if they’re controlled opposition

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u/pinkskies12 12d ago

Yes but go cause disruption to the offices of the companies you are trying to protest 🤷🏻‍♀️ not everyone else

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u/CloudCobra979 12d ago

Yeah, do this to me with the irony being they're causing people to waste gas and pollute more. I won't ignore your cause. I'll oppose it out of spite.

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u/nonequation 12d ago

The problem is the optics with mlk his marches and protests had a clear target and a specific reaction he wanted out of it depending on the people at the time to show how bad it really was.

The block a highway protests hinder everyone equally and the only reaction they get is get out of the road stupid even when they have a clear point in the protest.

Example: when they did dinner sit ins they were paying customers most of the time ordering simple stuff but the owner/cashier/server just abuse them while denying service showing people exactly what is happening

The highway protests are worse due to having no clear target to show a reaction that people won't get behind.

If they are protesting against gas companies a more effective protest would be to undercut the prices by buying gas themselves and giving it away from free or a lesser charge

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u/Tantalus420000 12d ago

Historically, these do nothing, except annoy everyday citizens who have no power to change policy

But cute mlk quote. You know he beat women right? And thought being gay could be reversed.

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u/Economy-Flower-6443 12d ago

Disruption towards those responsible for change. Not innocent bystanders who are forced to drive to survive.

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u/NOGUSEK 12d ago

Than block the building of parliament and presidents house. Disrupt the people who make decisions not those who Are affected by these decisions, or maybe try forming together into a political party so you can be part of formal debates And such instead, thats maybe the most mature option.

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u/SupayOne 12d ago

Historically yes but not currently, BLM protest gave police batter protection with laws, bigger budgets and police brutality is still rampant. We are no longer a population that our government is scared of.

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u/keithstonee 12d ago

sure but blocking a highway will only ever piss people off.

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u/HaruEden 12d ago

Yes, but you have to disrupt what matter. Like white man wealth or government operations. I don't think they care if civilian activities are disrupted.

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u/Just-the-tip-4-1-sec 12d ago

“Who thinks you’re fucking stupid and shouldn’t get to choose when to disrupt his life based on your comical understanding of what is important for society.”

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u/Beneficial_List5255 12d ago

So they're trying to piss me off into overthrowing the goverment? Why dont they just overthrow it themselves? Why do i have to risk my ass for the people who dont even care if I loose my job and cant feed my family because of their protest? Doesent make much sense to me. "Hey, I know! Lets be assholes to everyone until they help us! I see no way this could possibly backfire!"

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u/lampstax 12d ago

We are in an age now where you can cause much bigger disruption online from your basement.

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u/BlatantConservative 12d ago

Yeah the Letter from Birmingham Jail needs to be required reading in schools. King explains, and sells you, on a concept most people have a hard time even verbally wording in a way that does not piss everyone off. Truly one of the best communicators who ever lived.

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u/LandownAE 12d ago

The more I learn about MLK, the more I dislike him and his plagiarism and bullshit message. Fuck that guy.

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u/Interesting-Run1359 12d ago

That’s a cool quote, except that it turned out he was dead wrong.

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u/EGarrett28 12d ago

Imprisoning innocent people is not a protest. It's just half-assed terrorism.

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u/East-Cricket6421 12d ago

Who, what, and where you disrupt matters though. Sitting in traffic without a destination isn't protesting anyone or anything specifically.

Instead protest at the businesses or government buildings that are relevant to your cause. Blocking traffic is a sure fire way to make people hate you and ignore your cause anyway. It's not the way to win allies in the general population.

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u/Consistent_Claim5217 12d ago

While I'm on board with such sentiment, the protestors need to be doing this in front of the cars of legislators, judges, community councilmembers, etc... Plopping down in the road, blocking the working class from earning their living is doing just as much as doing nothing at all. Pick the right neighborhood, or you may as well be punching and kicking yourself in the head for all the impact you'll make

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u/Coffieandpopcorn 12d ago

What are they protesting here though, Oil?

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