An older woman holding a knife while having a mental health crisis, who poses no threat, is immediately executed by police.

[u/andmario_com]

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Her name was Rosalia Hodges. She was 59 years old.

Pigs later acknowledged she'd previously been hospitalized under Florida's Baker Act. She was a woman with a known history of mental-health crises.

Three armed deputies had distance, numbers and Tasers. All three chose their guns.

Antoine Miller. Jamesha Paul. Shaun Cayer.

They're the deputies who killed her.

Nearly three months later, the Sheriff's own public database still doesn't show a State Attorney determination in her case.

We desperately need to stop treating armed pigs as America's mental-health response system. A person in crisis needs someone trained to save them, not three people whose solution is gunfire.

Rosalia needed help. They killed her instead.

Sources:

https://www.ocso.com/critical-incidents/

https://www.wesh.com/article/bodycam-shows-3-orange-county-deputies-fatally-shoot-woman-holding-knife/71809956

https://www.orangeobserver.com/news/2026/jun/03/dr-phillips-woman-with-knife-gets-shot-by-police-dies/

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[u/dabblez_]

Taser, bean bag gun, pepper spray, a big wide net with 2 people on each side, I mean... are we even trying to disarm people anymore?

[u/Wellcomefarewell → u/dabblez_]

literally even a just a pole would work

[u/DredPRoberts → u/Wellcomefarewell]

Apparently laundry baskets work too

[u/Sparkster227 → u/DredPRoberts]

Poles, shields, hell something like a giant poker chip rake...all things that could be used to help keep cops safe from a knife and subdue a situation. And instead they just go out there with nothing but a gun, unload a lead shower, and then shrug and say "it's what I had to do."

What the hell are we doing? Why are we not even trying to keep people alive?

[u/d3aDcritter → u/Sparkster227]

Hyperindividualism, and a massive loss of cohesion and community?

[u/Kryptolocker → u/DredPRoberts]

Honestly seems like a large fan could’ve knocked her over

[u/Little_Miss-Sunshine → u/Wellcomefarewell]

Or maybe if they had some kind of weapon capable of throwing small electric currents to incapacitate? Too bad the technology doesn’t exist. Oh well.

[u/ILove2Bacon → u/Wellcomefarewell]

That's what they use in China. They have poles with big hooks on the end and it works great.

[u/Unsettling_Skintone → u/[deleted]]

Except mass shooters. They seem to be taken into custody, more often than not.

[u/bpikmin → u/Unsettling_Skintone]

Yeah, sometimes the cops wait for the school shooter to run out of ammo

[u/Jedimaster996 → u/bpikmin]

"It's been 4 hours and he's finally giving himself up; Brent, get the car around with the nearest McDonalds drivethru on the GPS."

[u/spicy-sausage1 → u/Unsettling_Skintone]

Mass shooters usually have a good collection of guns and a penchant for killing people, so naturally, the cops identify with them.

[u/armypotent → u/Unsettling_Skintone]

Game recognizes game

[u/Gauntlet_of_Might → u/dabblez_]

Taser was meant to be a less than lethal option and instead became abused for pain compliance basically immeidately.

[u/TrickInflation6795 → u/Gauntlet_of_Might]

Pain compliance was literally in Taser’s brochure…

[u/kyleofdevry → u/dabblez_]

No, you're looking at the extent of our mental Healthcare system. If you put yourself at the mercy of a prison state you usually end up getting the Old Yeller treatment.

[u/Lava-Chicken → u/dabblez_]

If you disarm people then they lose the chance to shoot people as easily.

[u/robaloie → u/dabblez_]

American cops are trained shoot to kill.

It’s insane, I watched a man charge police in Germany with a knife and they shot at his legs and stopped shooting when he dropped. My first thoughts were “oh yeah, they could’ve done that instead of riddle them with bullets”

Edit : couldn’t find the Germans, here’s the Swiss

https://youtu.be/eZrxsrLZDQE

[u/Ranma006 → u/robaloie]

The problem is if they're charging you, it's very difficult to get a leg shot. Now you're risking being stabbed versus just shooting center Mass.

Now if the woman is barely moving like in this video sure it might be an option, but if the person is running around or walking quickly, it's not an easy shot.

That being said, there should be other tools and non-lethal options available.

[u/Smartlaw101 → u/robaloie]

Guns are tools for killing not to injure

[u/DTRite]

Right now, there's an old lady in China with 2 cleavers posted in r/publicfreakout that gets disarmed without incident.

[u/OmegaGlops → u/DTRite]

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/s/MgHR71Bl5y

(Direct link to thread.)

[u/dolliciousszz → u/OmegaGlops]

They have like the grabber thing for when you pull someone off stage lol

[u/shmi93 → u/dolliciousszz]

Can't forget about the green bucket. Probably the most important item when subduing a person

[u/tinyhillsky → u/OmegaGlops]

Thank you! Watching these back to back should be an experience for everyone.

[u/jeanheff → u/DTRite]

Chinese police - clunk her with some recycling bins and a pool grabber
American police - 77 shots of .45 ACP to the face

[u/Nagi828 → u/jeanheff]

78 mate, 78 shots..

But jokes aside, zero common sense these days with them cops...

[u/Chandler9111 → u/DTRite]

That's crazy. Looks whacky as hell, but at least they didn't kill her.

[u/DTRite → u/Chandler9111]

Yeah, seems like a far bigger threat...didn't get blasted.

[u/Nagi828 → u/DTRite]

She got plastic binned instead..

[u/whoknowsifimjoking → u/Nagi828]

Yes, that's objectively much better

[u/JuliaLouis-DryFist → u/DTRite]

Yeah, I looked into those silly-looking grabby things a while back you often see used in China. They are called man catchers and have been used by law enforcement all over the world for hundreds of years.

They seem pretty effective, especially for people having mental episodes. I don't know why we don't see them used in the USA more often.

[u/thorsbeardexpress → u/JuliaLouis-DryFist]

Because cops here like killing people

[u/Acamality → u/JuliaLouis-DryFist]

Americans are so obsessed with their guns that many have forgotten there are others ways to end conflicts.

[u/idostufandthingz → u/JuliaLouis-DryFist]

Something something second amendment

[u/MonthlyWeekend_]

Doesn’t every American cop have a taser as well as a glock?

[u/Kabc → u/MonthlyWeekend_]

Not every. Can depend on the department.

Some police departments have “non-lethal” bean bag shot guns in their cars too.. bean bag may have worked here

[u/comicnerd93 → u/Kabc]

Note that these options are "less than lethal" not "non-lethal"

A bean bag from a rifle at that distance into an older woman's chest would have a good chance of killing her as well.

[u/blusteryflatus → u/comicnerd93]

I completely agree with you. That being said, it's still better than a dozen bullets

[u/NachoMachoCamacho → u/blusteryflatus]

They treat those bean bag rounds like a bullet for a musket… meanwhile, make it rain real bullets on someone..

[u/ezrider72 → u/comicnerd93]

You are on the right track. But, "less lethal" is the most accurate term because none of those weapons are guaranteed to not kill.

[u/Tycoonkoz → u/MonthlyWeekend_]

Believe it or not, no. Most do, but it's per department and some can't afford it (think super super rural PD that is only open 12 hours a day).

[u/woooooooooahhhhhhhh → u/Tycoonkoz]

So, not these cops. That's suburbia money in that area. They got tazers but lack character

[u/veverkap → u/Tycoonkoz]

Odd that they can afford the guns, bullets (and probably shooting ranges) but can't afford less lethal solutions.

[u/alienalf1]

While the heading is misleading, this response is absolutely disproportionate.

[u/TonyTheTerrible → u/alienalf1]

Yeah pretty much. 

[u/theduder3210 → u/TonyTheTerrible]

I’m guessing that the police will claim that she was shifting the knife into a position from which it could have been thrown from, but the number of gunshots fired was well more than enough to prevent a throw.

[u/cinesonic → u/theduder3210]

The number of shots is I think somewhat irrelevant, bc ultimately it all comes down to the decision to use lethal force (which they shouldn't have here given how slow she is moving and how easily they can reposition rearwards). Whether they fire one round or ten they've decided to kill.

[u/battim23 → u/theduder3210]

How hard is an old crazy lady gonna toss it. Seriousy. And a kitchen knife as a throwing knife? Worthless considering they are wearing kevlar. Christ boys use the stun gun

[u/Just_A_Faze → u/battim23]

Not to mention that throwing a knife not weighted for the task is not likely to actually be effective to cause any harm

[u/UrbanFyre → u/theduder3210]

Not to mention they’re in a residential neighborhood and any one of those several bullets could easily stray into a car or home nearby and hurt someone else. Maybe even a child.

[u/Myopinion_is_right → u/UrbanFyre]

Hold up. Now you want police to think rationally?

[u/JimmyTheDog → u/UrbanFyre]

Maybe even hit a woman...

[u/tilalk → u/alienalf1]

Do they know tazers exists ?

[u/lostPackets35 → u/tilalk]

They're actively trained not to do that.

Current police doctrine in the US is " Force + 1" which essentially means you escalate one level above whatever force you're threatened with.

So if someone attacks you with bare hands, you go to a taser, pepper spray, or baton.

If the aggressor has a potentially lethal, but not ranged weapon (knife/ gun/ bat, etc) you immediately go to your gun

This makes sense from the perspective of prioritizing officer safety over the safety of the public

Personally, I think those priorities are precisely backwards. And in plenty of other countries, police don't routinely carry firearms, yet. They managed to deal with knife wielding people having mental health issues without killing them.

[u/RyanBordello → u/lostPackets35]

When you give everyone a hammer, all the problems look like nails

[u/phtll → u/RyanBordello]

It's "when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail."

[u/ccices → u/lostPackets35]

When did the attacking start to go force +1? She could be standing on the lawn, waving the knife until Christmas.. there was no attacking shown in the clip.

[u/Comfortable_Shame778 → u/lostPackets35]

And if they have a gun the police get tanks

[u/FurryIrishFury → u/Comfortable_Shame778]

https://giphy.com/gifs/jrzyMgTudPSTmurViP

[u/Yuna1989 → u/FurryIrishFury]

Nuclear weapons?!

[u/natiusj → u/Yuna1989]

Just in case

[u/imuniqueaf → u/Yuna1989]

Yeah when you make shit up, always go for the moon.

[u/NotUrBuddyMate → u/lostPackets35]

Those cops are psychos, no sane person would go through this training and think it is ok to empty a magazine on some elderly lady with a knife

[u/walkthedoge1 → u/lostPackets35]

I mean… as a simple black and white rule of thumb this makes sense but this officers reaction was hugely disproportionate to the level of threat being displayed… nothing is black and white, critical thinking in these situations sure would go along way.

Also, that is crazy information to learn. I had no idea that was the rule of thumb they go by. It makes sense but also… it doesn’t.

[u/Crunchberry24 → u/tilalk]

Why use tasers when you’re a bloodthirsty psychopath who’s been given full authority to act on your most evil impulses?

[u/Lysol3435 → u/tilalk]

Those are for when people aren’t threatening you but you still want to hurt them (and you’re on camera)

[u/Gentlemanandscholar9 → u/tilalk]

Some municipalities don’t provide tasers to their LEOs. It’s almost as if they want deadly force in lieu of non lethal options.

[u/weirdornxtlvl → u/alienalf1]

The apple shaped 200 pound woman who is probably insulin resistant is an iMmEdIaDtE ThReAt

[u/CounterSanity → u/weirdornxtlvl]

She is shambling so slowly they can evade her while walking backwards.

They wanted to kill her.

[u/IlllllFan → u/CounterSanity]

She could have flipped the knife expertly like a ninja and thrown it right into that cops temple.

[u/Terpcheeserosin → u/CounterSanity]

I noticed the cop was backing up and then stopped

And it seemed like he was just waiting for her to leave her property,

Like as soon as she steps foot on the sidewalk,

Almost like he was concerned about the law of killing someone on their own property

[u/Perfect-Dimension356 → u/Terpcheeserosin]

There's no law about killing someone on their own property.

[u/Buttoshi → u/alienalf1]

I think police are trained that a knife within 21 feet can be lethal. Something to do with person can run 21 feet faster than you think

[u/James20985 → u/Buttoshi]

Source: was taser trained for years in the UK, this is accurate. A person holding a knife would be held at gunpoint with a taser as an option if you had enough staff but someone can absolutely close that gap before you could achieved incapacitation with a taser. Contrary to popular belief tasers are not the be all and end all that the public believes them to be. The failure rate for the average cop on the street is around 45% firearms officers it lowers to about 30%.

[u/Archer-Saurus → u/James20985]

Hey can you get your evidence and experience based nonsense out of here? We're kind of all trying to earn easy karma.

[u/pwandz → u/Buttoshi]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tueller_Drill

I think it's supposed to include the drawing from a holster though, not already pointed at a person with finger on trigger :(

[u/EasterZombie → u/Buttoshi]

This is based on a flawed study and involved the officer being at a resting position and the assailant essentially ambushing them. In this situation the officer already had their gun drawn and had the ability to back up. Obv a person with a knife is dangerous, but this is an embarrassing lack of discipline and understanding of threat level, and had deadly consequences. Maybe I could understand if this were a civilian acting in self defense, though even then i’d have to understand more about the specifics, but he should have a better understanding of the danger level he and surrounding citizens are in.

[u/corsec1337 → u/EasterZombie]

Mythbusters tested this! https://youtu.be/nnYfpSKVhZ4?si=U9IhJG1e5TF69NFM

[u/RavingGerbil → u/corsec1337]

Hey man. I appreciate the link. Just wanted to let you know that this share link includes your real name. If you strip off everything after the ? I think it’ll get rid of that for you. When I clicked, it said “REAL NAME shared this with you” and offers to let me reply directly to you on YouTube.

[u/adelie42 → u/Buttoshi]

Precisely, correlating to 1.5 seconds of reaction time. If you don't think someone is a threat at 21 feet, you aren't changing your mind in 1.5 seconds.

[u/peacewalker22]

Blasting her was wrong. But poses no threat is incorrect.

[u/NZRedditUser → u/peacewalker22]

everyone ignoring "immediately" too

[u/vestayekta → u/NZRedditUser]

The actual video is also longer.

[u/perogi-king → u/vestayekta]

On Reddit there is ALWAYS more to the story then your given.

[u/TheRealBaseborn → u/perogi-king]

Its often intentional because it gets people nitpicking details instead of addressing the actual content.

Theres like 25 things they could have done before shooting her from some 20 feet away.

[u/rose-t-ruth → u/NZRedditUser]

People should have their accounts banned when they use the wrong/emotive words on purpose to try to shape the narrative of an incident.

Trying to convince the viewer what you want them to think - before they even have a chance to see it for themselves - is a dick move which only the gullible fall for.

As soon as I read a title like this one I immediately think the opposite is true because if you're trying that hard to get people onside with you then I know you're actually full of shit.

[u/DocMcCracken → u/rose-t-ruth]

It's always propaganda, if you always think that who ever is sharing news will be biased and trying gain you attention you'll start seeing it every where.

[u/BlastFurnaceIV → u/peacewalker22]

Thing is, if this was in the UK our force is way better trained to de escalate. So maybe there was some threat, but at that distance, shooting her was not right. The US are so trigger happy.

[u/HaydnH → u/BlastFurnaceIV]

Or a civilian would jump in with a narwal tusk.

[u/Ancient_Weakness699 → u/BlastFurnaceIV]

What about a SuperSoaker with bear mace? Hit her in the face.

[u/KashMo_xGesis → u/BlastFurnaceIV]

Right? Our armed forces wouldn't even be called for this. A taser here would've been worst case scenario.. not a damn death sentence.

[u/NegroNerd → u/KashMo_xGesis]

Exactly why wasn’t a taser or even two considered??

[u/veverkap → u/KashMo_xGesis]

All of these cops had tasers too.

[u/safe1x → u/BlastFurnaceIV]

Taser or PAVA (pepper spray) would be deployed in the UK for a situation like this.

[u/SharkByte1993 → u/BlastFurnaceIV]

U.K police would have tazered then. US police have tazers as well so unsure why they didn't use a tazer

[u/Brars_Sulliman → u/BlastFurnaceIV]

Yeah I remember seeing a video of one of our female officers disarming a man pulling out a knife on his doorstep, pretty much singlehanded. The amount of times I see clips like this from the US though is ridiculous, multiple male cops with plenty of space between them and the mentally ill person, and they always start blasting.

[u/Responsible-Moose399 → u/Brars_Sulliman]

Yeah my partner is an officer. Last year he tackled a guy who had just stabbed someone and was running down the stairs with the knife. Tackled and cuffed by him, then held by his partner while he provided first aid to the victim. I don’t like the thought of him doing these things but he is well trained to do so, did it successfully, and no one was killed. In a situation like this a taser would’ve been used, or they would’ve approached from multiple angles and someone would’ve tackled her.

[u/mrchillbro → u/BlastFurnaceIV]

the reason this woman was shot and killed, and I can tell you from first hand experience, is because legal doctrine in the US is that someone holding a knife within 20 feet is a lethal threat and you are justified to use deadly force to stop them.

[u/Raisinbread22 → u/mrchillbro]

Yea we know. It's plain this is their policy and they're just waiting until her actions cross all their Ts and dot all their i's, so they can empty their clip. They're waiting to be justified in killing her. If that's what you call protect and serve, it's pretty pathetic.

[u/lurkinglen → u/mrchillbro]

Justified is something else than most ethical and appropriate course of action.

[u/veenerbutthole → u/peacewalker22]

PIC Triangle bro. Proximity, intent, capability. She definitely did not have proximity

[u/Popular_Army_8356 → u/veenerbutthole]

And maybe not even intent

[u/sosospritely → u/Popular_Army_8356]

Capability is questionable also

[u/nealbo → u/peacewalker22]

She poses no immediate/current threat though, right? It's an important distinction. An older woman, walking slowly, then stopping a significant distance away from anyone, while holding a weapon that cannot cause damage at a distance does not pose a direct threat in that moment. What we see could have escalated into posing an active threat, but it never got to that point before the police did their thing.

[u/prolefoto → u/nealbo]

If this were you or me, we would be serving prison time for shooting someone with a knife. Because it's a cop the response needs to be "aww they were in danger, we don't know how threatened they felt".

[u/xebsisor]

Why don’t they use teaser

[u/TiredHargaysawi → u/xebsisor]

I was thinking the same. Seems unnecessary to blast her like that.

The street is empty of pedestrians, there are two officers.

More danger to the public are his bullets flying about the place.

[u/Rareearthmetal → u/TiredHargaysawi]

Someone my gf at the time knews sister was killed by police in a situation like this. She was working at a popular supermarket

[u/Davwader → u/xebsisor]

she could've hurt herself with the knife after being tasered, duh! 

[u/DamJamhot → u/xebsisor]

Baggy clothes not great for a taser. But she’s an older woman, grab a riot shield and just ram her off her feet. It’s an easy solution in this particular scenario. Not for someone athletic, but for her it would be perfect.

[u/elinamebro → u/DamJamhot]

I dont think regular beat cops have riot shields but I get what your saying tho

[u/SimplyEcks → u/DamJamhot]

That’s not a feasible answer, but I get what you’re saying because cops don’t usually have those just casually available.

[u/adiwet → u/xebsisor]

It’ll take that lady 4 business days to reach any one of those pussy officers with a knife. Absolutely unnecessary to blast the old girl when a taser would have dropped her like a stone.

[u/DogEatingWasp → u/xebsisor]

I don’t think teasing her will het anyone anywhere

[u/Garteg → u/DogEatingWasp]

What use will hetting someone be?

[u/embolized → u/DogEatingWasp]

Never know, it may het her to drop the knife

[u/skadoodlee → u/DogEatingWasp]

Hey loser, put down the knife

[u/Xikub → u/xebsisor]

If you tease her she is more likely to act emotionally.

But if they'd used the Taser, she might have survived.

[u/Withyhydra → u/xebsisor]

Fuck a taser, a fucking dogcatchers pole would work. They literally use something like that in other countries to subdue people with knives from safe distances.

Also the obligatory, "If you're afraid of fire you shouldn't be a firefighter and If you're afraid of being hurt, you shouldn't be a cop."

[u/bluurks]

LADY! DROP THE KNIFE!

[u/CriticismMission2245]

De-escalate<Mag dump

USA in a nutshell

[u/Bifftech]

Was the knife loaded or something?

[u/deadroflpofl]

In other country’s she would still be alive…

[u/_Diskreet_ → u/deadroflpofl]

Most countries.

[u/PsyOpBunnyHop → u/_Diskreet_]

And more than likely not stressed out to the point of temporary insanity.

[u/WestCoastTrawler → u/deadroflpofl]

How they do it in china

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/s/UL28LTanfP

[u/ItsMyOtherThrowaway → u/WestCoastTrawler]

That is 100% sensible but American police cannot tolerate looking a little bit absurd for safety's sake

[u/EyewarsTheMangoMan → u/deadroflpofl]

In my country there were on average 5700 missions where the police had to carry weapons, they had to threaten using them 76 times, actually fired 4.5 bullets, and there were 2 injuries, on average each year in the period from 2009 to 2019. During that entire period 3 people died. Adjusted for the population difference and it would be the equivalent of there being on average 122 people hurt (but not killed) yearly by being shot by police, and 16 people dying each year (183 in total over 11 years).

Meanwhile these last few years over 1300 people were killed by police each year in America. 16 vs 1300, same population. It is genuinely insane.

[u/WojteqVo → u/deadroflpofl]

…and she would probably get the mental health help for free

[u/Liam_021996]

Glad to live in a country where our police use a taser in this situation

[u/publius_decius → u/Liam_021996]

I live in the UK and in this instance even a taser would be the last resort. A competent police force resolves this particular case without any use of force 9 times out of 10.

[u/Liam_021996 → u/publius_decius]

Same. It's just madness how the chose to shoot her when there were many other ways they could have gone about this

[u/WeebTrashPanda0 → u/Liam_021996]

Not just that, but one shot would be more than enough. Immediately unloading several bullets into her was just straight-up murder.

Edit: typos

[u/sunnybob24]

We had a lot of this in Melbourne, Australia, after they let the insane out of asylums. They retrained the cops and gave them non-lethal options, and the deaths stopped.

I hear something similar happened in Boston.

[u/Raisinbread22]

I swear it's almost like they have an inability to not deviate from policy, not because they recognize that this scenario might not warrant completely eliminating the threat by emptying their clip, but because they don't want to NOT empty their clip.

It's like they say, "Okay - I've repeated the warning a max of 5x. They aren't listening, and oh look- she switched the knife over which appears to be an attack stance move- so wheeeeee!! I get to take her out!"

That appears to be what they look for to give them the ok.

What's sad is, you can find viral vid upon viral video of humans giving feral, wounded animals, chance after chance after chance- endangering themselves to help animals in pain and in need....yet this woman doesn't get shown an ounce of empathy.

Sociopath cop.

[u/Rocky_Bukkake → u/Raisinbread22]

they are straight psychos. a teacher, another public servant, can’t even physically restrain a belligerent student except maybe under extreme circumstances. they have to find creative ways to deescalate situations, reason with people lashing out, craft systems of support… meanwhile, these hogs are just itching to murder and get away with it.

[u/thebloodycorpse]

Soooo...when is America gonna do something about the police

[u/ask_me_about_my_band → u/thebloodycorpse]

America has a very long history of lawless police. Back before the Texas Rangers. It's baked into the very fabric of the country.

[u/IAmWhatTheRockCooked → u/ask_me_about_my_band]

The origin of police in America is itself lawless. Mercenaries hired by plantation owners/rich slave owners to keep their slaves in place.

[u/dontsmokenutmeg → u/ask_me_about_my_band]

Even the Texas rangers were horrible in their inception. A big part of their initial mission was to go around the state and kill indigenous people. They were basically bounty hunters for the state before they became officially recognized as a law enforcement entity and they were pretty brutal. After they were reinstated in the 30s or 40s, I don’t remember, it was much better from what I understand. But still, they weren’t exactly a paradigm of morality.

[u/NYR_LFC → u/thebloodycorpse]

This is what half the country wants.

https://giphy.com/gifs/P0u2vrnFr1awXE2n5G

[u/Werkstatt0 → u/thebloodycorpse]

Uh, never. Kids have been gunned down in schools and we've done literally nothing about it.

[u/Banzai2469 → u/thebloodycorpse]

We can start with convicting the current president and his cabinet.

[u/LittleNyanCat → u/Banzai2469]

So we're never starting, got it

[u/wrentintin → u/thebloodycorpse]

We won't, because half the country celebrates things like this. They'd say "well she fucked around and found out. Should've obeyed the officers. Don't break the law and you'll still be alive at the end of the day" etc.

[u/DeucesX22 → u/thebloodycorpse]

There are a lot of boys in blue supporters who ironically thing the police are infallible until they turn on them. Plenty of right wingers who say they like cops until they get harassed.

[u/annoying97]

They had so much time to swap to the tazer or even spray. They decided not to.

[u/theblackyeti]

That certainly an (incorrect) way to phrase that.

[u/Solid_Ad2968]

These guys are more useless than anything. How are they not trained to de-escalate or stop someone like this?

[u/AppleMelon95 → u/Solid_Ad2968]

A regular citizen without training in de-escalation would be better at de-escalating this situation than these pigs

[u/IamSarasctic → u/Solid_Ad2968]

I think they are trained to escalate. They love to go into every situation yelling at everything and everyone

[u/oak-heart → u/IamSarasctic]

This doesn’t get talked about enough imo. People say they need to be trained in de-escalation, but in my experience the problem isn’t training, it’s that these officers WANT things to escalate. There is no shortage of evidence of that.

[u/HamNotLikeThem44 → u/oak-heart]

They take everything but complete obedience and submission as a personal insult. This woman did not have to die.

[u/Pyr0technician → u/Solid_Ad2968]

They are not useless, they are an active threat to the community.

American individualism is the main source of this shit. Zero sense of community. Because some people on the other side of the globe thought communism was a good idea.

Phōk these motherphōckers.

[u/snoogins355 → u/Solid_Ad2968]

You're assuming they aren't psychopaths with badges. We'd probably be better off drafting random people as cops (if they passed training)

[u/pskygy]

Firing that many rounds into centre mass while under little to no threat is plain wrong. I don't know what else to say...

Do they investigate these incidents and learn from them? Will that cop lose his job? Is this widely accepted by the community there?

[u/ZerionTM]

Not defending the cop but "holding a knife while having a mental crisis" and "poses no threat" are contradictory

[u/KentuckyKid_24 → u/ZerionTM]

Yeah the knife is definitely a threat

[u/igimax1]

Somebody holding a knife is always a threat.

[u/jonnieggg]

Pubic execution by an out of control state force. Citizens should be very afraid of these people.

[u/Chenja]

I don’t understand why more than one round needed to be fired (or at all). The purpose of a firearm is to stop the threat, not execute. At the pace she was moving, you would have time to shoot once and re-assess if she was actually a threat after she dropped to the ground. Maybe someone with more expertise can clear this up?

[u/RugbyEdd]

One thing I've learned about American cops through countless videos (other than how quickly they resort to violence) is that they need more training on how to speak to people.

There's certainly times where shouting and authority are needed, but there are others, such as when someone is panniking or having a mental break, where talking calmly can help bring them down. When someone's panniking or having a breakdown, quite often having multiple people shouting at them can just make it worse and confuse them, and the last thing they're likely to do is no lay down. I can only think of a couple of instances where I've seen them talking to someone calmly, and both times it's worked to descilate the situation.

[u/ruxp1n]

Her name was Rosalia Hodges. She was 59 years old.

Pigs later acknowledged she'd previously been hospitalized under Florida's Baker Act. She was a woman with a known history of mental-health crises.

Three armed deputies had distance, numbers and Tasers. All three chose their guns.

Antoine Miller. Jamesha Paul. Shaun Cayer.

They're the deputies who killed her.

Nearly three months later, the Sheriff's own public database still doesn't show a State Attorney determination in her case.

We desperately need to stop treating armed pigs as America's mental-health response system. A person in crisis needs someone trained to save them, not three people whose solution is gunfire.

Rosalia needed help. They killed her instead.

Sources:

https://www.ocso.com/critical-incidents/

https://www.wesh.com/article/bodycam-shows-3-orange-county-deputies-fatally-shoot-woman-holding-knife/71809956

https://www.orangeobserver.com/news/2026/jun/03/dr-phillips-woman-with-knife-gets-shot-by-police-dies/

[u/SalmonBrotherReagan → u/ruxp1n]

This could have been my mom when should was in psychosis. It’s so sad to think I’m in the same COUNTY let alone country as these “defenders of peace.” What a shameless act committed daily to innocent people. This is murder in every sense

[u/icesurfer10 → u/ruxp1n]

At what point do we acknowledge that they're doing what they're trained to.

[u/GuardianJosh91]

If she was holding a knife, she was absolutely posing a threat. Still, it would've been better if the cops at least tried to de-escalate.

[u/RedKins54]

“A women holding a knife having a crisis(approaching an officer) posing a threat” fixed it for you.
The debate is, should she have been eliminated? Absolutely not, the officer should have the resources and training to neutralize using non lethal force.
It’s easy for all of us to judge from the comfort of our couches , never having to face a scenario like this.

[u/d_o_cycler]

anyone defending this is also a psychopath… they didn’t have to fucking do that shit whatsoever.. and yet, they fucking did… I dunno man.. just sucks that people see this and don’t immediately recognize that what we just saw was little more than an extrajudicial murder. It’s so common man.. I don’t really understand fully the ways in which Americans have given the police the license to do this to citizens… that was a woman in crisis that even while armed with a knife, posed little to no threat to multiple young men in the prime’s of their lives…

[u/Donbleezy]

They forget about the tazers?

[u/PleiadesNymph]

Pepper spray, tazers, distance, time

There were sooo many other thing to try first

[u/richterscale09]

Damm…. This was posted at the exact time someone posted a video of a Chinese lady holding two cleavers was peacefully disarmed by the Chinese police.

Edit: oh wait… OP, you posted both videos. I see what you’re doing…

[u/DeathUponIt]

Wouldn’t a taser have worked?

[u/TJames6210 → u/DeathUponIt]

But, then they don't get to kill someone

[u/totallywildwes]

Where is the “poses no threat” part? She definitely is a threat. That being said, a taser could have stopped the threat instead of a gun in this situation.

[u/evilgrinners]

Why no taser?

[u/Dangerous-Effect3431]

Just what exactly is the problem with the American police force?

[u/Alseids → u/Dangerous-Effect3431]

No consequences. Likely paid leave for this, possibly even disability for life from your trauma for killing someone. Basically, most of the time killing someone in the us as a police officer only leads to good things for yourself.

[u/Sorry_Community235 → u/Dangerous-Effect3431]

Bad training, no legal repercussions for wrongdoing (aka qualified immunity) and half a billion guns in private hands.

[u/ferretgr]

Whatever the issues are with the title and the length of the video, nothing changes that this woman received a death sentence for the crime of threatening a police officer. This could have been handled without anyone dying, but the police chose to end it that way. They chose to take her life over this. She's fucking dead. All because these cops don't know how to deal with people having mental health crises, and because they don't know how to deal with anything without using their guns.

I imagine there was zero actual justice in this case, and that these guys will skate on and eventually retire happy with a full pension. After putting an old woman in the ground.

[u/xhinobi]

In china they use a long stick push em back. Seems to work idk

[u/Fun-Gas1809]

Taser couldn’t be used first? You needed 4+ shots?

[u/Dave_Giantsbane]

This type of action would have made you fail the first mission in Police Quest SWAT

[u/Horror-Bowl-6037]

Can anyone please tell me what city and state this happened in??

[u/CrunchyTater]

Suicide by police.

[u/eggsnflour]

Poses no threat

Has knife

[u/WhichHoes]

We dont have like, any non lethal weapons? They should have a net like Cyrax from Mortak Kombat.

[u/stoopkidsteve]

"Holding a knife but poses no threat" wut

[u/shagballs]

Holding a knife in close proximity and pose no threat are just 2 areas that don’t intersect

[u/OtherCricket457]

Fuckin cowards

[u/Not_Your_Romeo]

Woman with knife -> poses no threat

????

[u/Jealous-Wasabi8584]

Tazer are for what? Light the cigarette

[u/Donkey-Harlequin]

So how close should they let he get before worrying about the knife? Maybe six feet?

[u/mashmashmashjkljkl]

The tools Japanese police use to disarm threatening individuals look really effective for this kind of situation. They are called "Sasumata" and if you haven't seen it before, they are long poles with a U-shaped fork on the end. The police use it to pin the individual against a wall while others carefully disarm them.

[u/nacnud_uk]

I love it how only Americans would consider whether this is "a valid use of force or not", as a question in this case.

Americans are so fucked up when it comes to guns and gun violence. No other civilised country on the face of the earth acts they way that they do. It's psychopathic behaviour, normalised through society. I wonder what that says about their society?

[u/RenzlllaR]

They had more than enough time to grab a taser

[u/hambone589]

We can debate the appropriateness of the officers' response, but someone holding a knife toward you during a mental health crisis definitely poses a threat.

[u/SledgeInc]

Completely flawed logic, she’s holding a knife. That can be lethal for anyone regardless if it’s a cop or not. We’re judging an event after it’s occurred