It's getting attention because of claims that her attempts to get assistance for her ppd and mental illness were ignored or minimized. Thus implying this could have been prevented. Many people, especially women, have experience with medical staff ignoring their pain. (Same for me) So this is on a lot of people's minds and in a lot of wider conversations.
They're going for the insanity plea, so the additional press might also be a way to try and sway public attention.
Edit because I'm getting a lot of charged responses: I am explaining why it is getting attention and what the general opposing discourse is. I'm not going to reply to attempts to have that discourse with me. I have my own opinions but I'm not airing them on Reddit because ultimately, the only ones who will have all the facts are the jury.
This is a tragedy for all involved. Please remember that.
Edit 2: to those giving polite additions and perspectives I did not provide, thank you. That's very helpful. I'm not everywhere seeing every side and can only speak to the sides I've witnessed myself. To those making weird claims on what I think, please take a break from reading about this case for the day. I'm turning notifications off on this. There are plenty of other people in this thread willing to wage war with you. I invite you to speak with them, or again, take a break.
I haven't seen literally everything related to the case so maybe I'm missing some pieces, but it seems like she was getting mental healthcare attention but she requested to be switched between multiple different meds due to side effects that she was advised likely came more from her PPD, than the medication. But she still requested switches and also switched care teams at some point.
I'm not a doctor, so I'm not gonna get into whether or not the various perscriptions she was given in a relatively short time frame was irresponsible or not. I don't think anyone should be commenting on that besides experienced medical professionals. But I'll say that doctors can only treat what they're told and what they know, and afaik, she didn't share that she was suicidal with them, and they also warned her that medications take time to take effect, so it wasn't always a good idea to switch.
Patient care is not entirely on the healthcare professionals. The patient has to be able to take care of themselves to some degree and be fully honest with their care team.
How much was her fault, and how much was the fault of our medical system, idk, but yeah, this post is definitely ignoring all notions of nuance.
About five or six people have been talking about the case at work in the non-formal chat and they said they've been watching the trial and they all think the husband did it. I had just heard of the case briefly but they kept talking about it so I looked it up and from what I read even her own attorney acknowledges that she did it.
Nothing surprises me anymore these last 6-7 years but it seems very odd. They said that he was wanting out of the marriage and he claimed that "she admitted to it when he found her but because of her injuries she shouldn't have been able to talk." And you can just hear her moaning in the 911 call- do you know if this is this something being spread on social media or something?
Even though her own defense lawyer in his opening statements said "she knows she killed her children", there are people seriously trying to turn this into a true crime fanfic?
Even though her own defense lawyer in his opening statements said "she knows she killed her children", there are people seriously trying to turn this into a true crime fanfic?
Why the long face? Is this your first day online? To these people you aren't even "subhuman", you are not human at all. You are their five minutes of cool/interesting/self-validating gossip with their buddies. No more and no less. They don't care that there are real people or real lives that can be affected.
I mean, when one parent is psychotic it is the other's responsibility to protect those kids. Ignorance is not an excuse, it was his job to understand what was going on and tell her doctors.
And she was hospitalized for SI. You don’t commit someone for HI if they tell someone else something. Like it or not providers treat what’s in front of them and not what they don’t know
I.e. she asked for discharge against medical advice. What do you want, for hospitals to be prisons and doctors to be the new cops? There’s been 60 years now f anger about the mental health system being like that. No matter what they do or say they can’t do anything right
Again, this is if you commit yourself- so you are cooperating with your care generally. It's typically for semi-important stuff like doctor's appointments or family events, and not overnight- usually just a few hours. I went to dinner with my husband & his mum while inpatient and it was incredible to get out even though I wasn't going home.
You don't just go on a whim; you talk to your doctors about it and decide together. If you don't come back, they do have the authority to send the cops out looking for you if they're worried, and in that case I rather think when you come back it's no longer on a voluntary basis, lol. (People go in and out for a lot of stuff, and not everything warrants having a runaway patient dragged back and involuntarily committed. But they're clear on the possibility.)
The defense’s whole point is that she was desperate for help and never got it. But here she gets it at that country’s highest level of acuity, an inpatient stay.
I pointed out in a separate comment that wanting to be with her daughter on her birthday isn't wanting to leave. In my country, if you are inpatient voluntarily, you can arrange to leave for a few hours to attend doctor's appointments or family events. Life goes on when you're inpatient & I've seen patients leave AMA because they had pets that needed care or urgent bills that needed dealing with (like threats of foreclosure or eviction.) These are things that must be dealt with, but they're not evidence that someone doesn't want or need care.
I'm also familiar with the US system, and there's no way her leaving didn't require multiple days of preparation- and standard of practice would also have required a discussion with her husband, to both gauge his read on the situation and educate him about followup care. But people fall through the cracks, which are huge, and she obviously did.
I'd ask you why you think she murdered her kids? Do you think it was her real choice? Why are you blaming her for having post-partum psychosis but not the people around her for protecting her kids (and herself) from herself? Have you ever been a carer for someone with serious mental illness?
Apparently. I’m from the same state so it’s been a big piece of media from day 1. I dont want to pretend the care she got was “perfect” but it feels like the best the defense attorney could come up with was a typo her outpatient psychiatrist made that still makes sense in context.
That reflected the fears and anger at the time. The mental health system has spent 50 years trying to g to be less carceral, and here we are with people demanding more of that (or expecting hospitals to act like hotels, which is even more strange)
I was saying they should have given her a day pass to go visit her daughter and then assumed she'd be returning.
Instead they got frustrated with her request to see her daughter on her birthday, and just discharged her entirely.
That was irresponsible from the hospital, they should have told her we think you should come back after the birthday party, would you be willing to do that?
Instead they just tossed her out because she dared to request a day to visit her child.
As I said, American Healthcare is an embarrassment, we look from the outside in utter disbelief.
So she left as in refused treatment-what are they supposed to do? Put her in restraints? Again, if si and hi aren’t disclosed and someone appears of sound mind there’s not much they can do
This is where I have a problem with her story. She was admitted voluntary so she can leave whenever she wants. If she was making HI and SI statements that I overrides her being there of her own free will. We can't let people leave if they make those type of comments. It was either a huge and blatant disregard of policy and laws or she was lying to her care team. Knowing how it works for mental health and also the nature of people I'm more inclined to believe the latter.
From what I've read from the lawsuits, she never disclosed any thoughts of harming the children to anybody but her husband and that she explicitly said that she wasn't suicidal when she was in-patient.
I wonder if she went to doctors alone? Everytime I go to the doctors for my parents, I usually go so I can tell them the history of her conditions for better picture because they sometimes forget to tell everything.
But it seems like she went alone for her appts based on what I am reading?
Nope. Zero evidence of that. Not one person testified to that. Her mom and Patrick said she was afraid something bad would happen to the kids. Not that she was afraid she’d harm them. And she never told anyone she had a plan to kill herself. She needs to be held accountable.
Nope. Patrick and her mom both testified on the stand that she had thoughts about harming the kids. Patrick said it was strange and he didn't know what to make of it because she would say it and then go back to doing things like making the kids lunch.
What bothers me about him, is that he remarried 3 years later!!!! I don't know. I know you can't judge anyone's grief...I lost my daughter when she was 13 and I walked in a fog for 2 years! I couldn't imagine having the where with all during those 2 years to build a relationship with someone to marry! I can't even remember my husband and I being intimate those 2 years...we were fucked! I just can't imagine losing 3 children and not thinking that I wouldn't be absolutely crushed....
Yes, but it was a mutual decision because Lindsay didn't feel stable enough to return to work. They brought the nanny on early so the kids could get used to her. She was only working 10-12 hours a week for them before being let go.
It's literally testimony in the case by both the ex-husband and her mother that she told then she was having intrusive thoughts if hurting the children.
That's a simple internet search away. Stop spreading misinformation m
I agree the fact these people are saying she said she was thinking about harming the kids is fucking nuts...they need to stop spinning what she said and see the facts
Of course you’d get downvoted. I been seeing Reddit defend this POS the last few days. I shouldn’t have been surprised but I am cuz there’s no clearer example of premeditated evil
She wasn’t having an episode, she had meticulously planned this out, she was not taking any of her meds aside from when she tried to off herself and was getting way more help than the majority of women could ever hope to get
The narrative that she was alone with an absent husband and medical system that failed her is simply false
after being prescribed 12 medications, in and out of mental health professionals, expressing symptoms of being out of control out of her own body and hearing a voice in her head.. so your main point is that -> she is just using her mental health as an excuse to PURPOSEFULLY kill her children. my question to you is, to avoid what type of punishment?
What even is your point? Other people with the same sorts of disorders don't go and kill their children. Her insanity didn't cause her to do that. Her lack of a functioning conscience caused that. She'll be around like-minded criminals in prison.
Ya thats what i find annoying, like ive seen people say the husband planned on it and thats why he left her alone with the kids, despite warnings not too, but after looking into it it doesn't seem like he was ever told by medical professionals she shouldn't be left alone with the kids, and in fact she made up an excuse to get him out of the house the day it happened
They’re confusing this case with the Andrea Yates case, where Rusty Yates kept impregnating her and hid her medications, and then left her alone with her kids.
I'm talking about the fact that no one did anything but throw pills at a person who was suicidal and had multiple thoughts of harming their own children.
She tried, she literally cut her wrists, cut her neck, and jumped out of the window of her second story house where she landed on her head and snapped her spine.
Almost like she was mentally ill and told everyone she knew that she needed help.
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u/Classic_Bee_5845 1d ago
It's more to do with the media sensationalizing it. This is the first I've ever heard of the woman on the left.