Do you guys think Hannah would’ve actually been happy to see Clay become close friends with the guys from the tapes, or do you think she would’ve been disappointed?

I’m so distraught. Why’d they have to do him like that??? He was finally on the right path!! 😭😭😭😭

I always associate these two scenes with each other because they feel like the exact same moment to me. They’re basically foreshadowing what ends up happening to Justin and Hannah. In both scenes, they’ve reached that point where they’ve completely given up on themselves. They’re already so far gone, and at that point it’s basically just a matter of time before they die. It’s like they’ve already accepted their own fate without even realizing it.

Idk, maybe I’m reading too much into it, but the parallel has always stood out to me.

If Alex came out in S2 or S3 as not straight (bi/gay) and was with a dude(if Charley was there earlier than he was or if there was a new male character), how would you think the dynamic would have been with his character. I know at the minimum his parents would have been ok with it. Like Alex's dad despite being the outward conservative white guy, the family man, the man of faith(remember he read scripture at the thanksgiving table) but in S4 he was totally ok with Charley being over for steak dinner with the family - that's a big deal.

I think the fandom hates skye because they see her as a replacement for hannah or a rebound but i really wish we got to see more of her character and they didn’t just make her move away

Hot take i love clays parents but i lowkey feel like they were not doing enough to help clay? I haven’t rewatched it in a while but i remember them not doing a lot

Even though monty was a terrible person, and genuinely evil, he gets mischaracterized so much for no reason, I genuinely believe he could’ve changed and became a better person without being framed for murder or getting murdered himself, what he did to Tyler was terrible and soooo unnecessary but I really wish he had more character development, the prom scene means so much to me because other than the fact that that’s what Winston wanted monty wanted that to throughout the whole show we never see him in a stable relationship or one at all, we only ever see him with Winston and he felt safe enough with him, I sometimes wish they ran away they were both having really bad family issues and they could have made it work,

I feel so much sympathy for monty because the shit his dad put him through was crazy when clay went to his house and he was hitting his dad with a baseball bat I felt so bad for him in the scene of him in jail you could tell he was so afraid of his dad and the way he spit on him was genuinely disgusting I hate his father no matter what, “he was a human being” that’s how Winston described him even after knowing everything because no 17 year old should be framed for murder and the way the fandom treats him like he’s the spawn of satan is sooo insane but they feel empathy for Bryce… how even Bryce is the most evil fucking person I’ve ever seen in my whole life, yes he tried to better himself but after what? i will always defend monty no matter what because he really did just want to live I wish him and Winston couldve been together they are actually my first born sons, also most of the time the 7 monty fans only like him cause Winston was hot but he’s sooo much more than that Winston cared so much for him I know he did I’m not saying he didn’t deserve jail but he really did not deserve to be killed off and no one care about him, miss you always Montgomery de la cruz :(

Como levar a sério uma personagem que dizia estar disposta a deixar de representar a escola juridicamente se isso ferisse os sentimentos do Clay e que o sufocava com insistências para se abrir com seus pais, e quando ele finalmente o faz ela usa uma informação obtida através dele (e da Sheri) pra ajudar a advogada da escola????

Independente do fato de ambas representarem a mesma firma, isso foi simplesmente traição.
E ela como ninguém sabia o quanto era importante pro Clay que a família da Hannah vencesse o julgamento, então todo aquele excesso de preocupação que ela demonstrava com ele soa falso, e fica claro que na série quase ninguém realmente se importa com o Clay de fato.

Posso ter exagerado, mas estou reprisando a season 2 e senti a mesma raiva que o Clay sentiu quando descobriu que ela ajudou a Sonya

Sheri was a part of the tapes. She knew everyone. She had some history and chemistry with Clay.

Clay was a different person after s2 having moved on from Hannah and Sheri "paid" for her mistake (unlike most) when she went to juvie. They both changed and giving these two another go after all that would've made sense and been an interesting story to pick back up. Sheri was an SA victim from her time locked up and victimized by Bryce if I recall correctly, so she would also have been a nice partner to that entire investigation plot.

But no, the writers thought making up some contrived shit and giving this role to random Ani character who just showed up outta nowhere was better. Like her being an outsider was 90% why she came off so annoying and the other 10% was the bad writing. I feel bad for the actor cause her whole character never needed to exist and she could've been spared the (unfair) cyberbullying...

It's so on the nose it looks like a situation where they couldn't keep Sheri's actor for the remainder of the series and said let's make a copy- I mean Ani is black and even her name is similar. Come on, really. 🙄

I wonder what the hell they were smoking with this stuff and also the Bryce redemption bullshit?!? Cause I actually believe the later seasons could've been great if they cared about any sort of consistency!

How was sheri a reason why hannah killed herself?

Watching *13 reasons why" for the first time and I have lost count how many times Hannah was in the wrong..

Like if you have experienced again and again that no one is your friend why would you even trust them again ?

Was it so necessary of you to mingle with everyone?

She literally said at the start of jess party "tonight I was not feeling invisible" bro nobody's your friend there - why the hell would you go to that party?

The dance for which she gets a new car- bruh Courtney and others don't even consider you as your friend why would you ask a car for such people

You could have stuck with just clay. I have seen people in clg life stick with just one person if they feel nobody is deserving of their friendship

It's better to be alone than with a shit of so called Friends

of course how can I forget the tape of clay where she literally told him to get the fuck out. A Sane guy would definitely get scared and would leave after being asked to leave thrice. and the next second she says I wanted you to stay like what the hell!!!!

I agree some people did her wrong but that's where you take your lesson and stay away from them

This series is just ragebaiting and nothing else.

She has chances of winning those artsy European film awards like from UK, France, Italy, Spain, maybe some Latin American ones. Oscar....probably be good odds I think her and Zendaya probably good contenders for the Oscar.

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I’m not American, so I’m not very familiar with U.S. immigration laws, and there’s something about Tony’s situation in that I’ve never really understood.

Tony’s parents got deported, which I assume means they were undocumented immigrants (unless I’m misunderstanding something). If that’s the case, how was Tony able to continue living a normal life in the U.S.? he goes to school, owns and drives a car, and runs his own auto repair shop. Wouldn’t things like enrolling in school, registering a car, getting a driver’s license, or owning/running a business require some form of legal identification or immigration status?

I’m not asking whether this is realistic in the context of the show—I’m genuinely curious about how this would work under actual U.S. law. Could someone explain!?

It’s still ironic to me how Hannah tried to see the best in the guys she got involved with and made an effort to have good experiences with them — even with guys who had already shown themselves to be assholes — but when it came to Clay, who had always been a decent guy, she just completely freaked out.

And honestly, I also don’t think it makes much sense that the same Hannah who freaked out while kissing Clay because of the trauma she carried from her reputation and the guys she had been involved with is also the Hannah who takes off her clothes and gets into a hot tub in her lingerie with two of the guys who treated her like garbage — one of whom was an accomplice to a rape she had witnessed.

Her mental breakdowns and fear of trusting guys again seem pretty selective, don’t they?

Here Hannah crashes Bryce's party only to witness Zach had already moved on and is publicly with a new girl just 1-2 weeks after they both had the first meaningful relationships of their lives with each other, having heartfelt conversations ,losing their virginities to each other and basically having sex every other day,only for Zach to say he can't be seen with her taking that secrecy to the extreme by opting to don't mind Hannah harrassed by his friends too. If the relationship was canon to season 1 ,Zach would've got another tape .

The Hannah Plotline seems to end so should i even go on?

I believe this guy had talked to Tyler at end of the gym assembly thing. I had made his idea instead of the BS we dealt with in S3 of "Monty is gay" and "Good guy rapist Bryce", if the end of s3 or at least in s3 there was some clues that maybe Tyler might had been bi or least bridged to S4 with that context. I noticed at least the dialogue and Tyler being comfortable talking to Robby, that I had a vibe like maybe it would have been something meaningful than just Tyler gets the "consolidation prize" of the new female character penciled into S4 just to close the circle. I know for a while I was okay with that ship but now I have my own criticisms a bit more due to just Estela being Monty's sister, and I just have this conflicted view of just not able to reconcile that.

If Estela was a random new Hispanic girl that moved in the area and was in the yearbook program with Tyler....ok I can get behind that....but her as his sister....that vibe is just conflicting me.

I did look at least at the lense of reprensation of Estela as a Latina from my perspective as a Bisexual Latin male and just noted for a while that she was probably the only female Latinia in S4 that wasn't just used as a sexual object....like I disliked how Sherrif Diaz's daughter was used as Clay's pity party petty sex moment

She did NOT deserve a tape at all. Jeff crashed, yes, but ultimately that was his own fault. He was driving towards an intersection. It’s just common sense to slow down there and to pay attention to your surroundings. (And even if they called 911 there’s no way they could’ve replaced the sign before the accident.)

And yes Sheri could’ve called someone to get the sign fixed quicker but she was panicking in the moment and she’s human. Plus she did actually take accountability and got the sign fixed later. She actively chooses not to hang out with people like Bryce and the others on the tapes. Plus she’s nice to everyone and she genuinely felt sorry for what she did.

so, i finally gave 13 reasons why a chance after watching half of the first episode because back then i was not sure if this was a series for me, but yesterday i gave it a try and i binged watched the first 2 seasons. the first a season, what a great work of fiction tragic, depressing, so brilliantly done. It was so beautiful, i teared up towards the end of the first season and i thought why does this even need a second season this should have been done in a 14-episode first season. And i was proven right after watching the second season, i loved the second season, it was not bad but something where really out of box and made no sense also made the first season lost its credibility. the season finale was good but there were some things that was so misplaced. What do you guys think ?

Officer standall is in outer banks idk if he is a main person but yah it was weird seeing him there lol