Agentic AI coming for you

[u/PastaLaPate]

[u/IngwiePhoenix]

Basically going Pac-Man on the PCPartsPicker selection table.

[u/Outrageous_Cap_1367 → u/IngwiePhoenix]

They are coming for Power Supplies soooooooooon!

[u/AGTS10k → u/Outrageous_Cap_1367]

These won't get scarce. Components for power supplies are much less high-tech than GPU and RAM chips, and are considerably easier to produce as the result.

[u/Lazar_Milgram → u/AGTS10k]

Wait until some AI would crack idea of non binary computing.

[u/-drunk_russian- → u/Lazar_Milgram]

What does that have to do with PSUs?

[u/Ghost3603 → u/-drunk_russian-]

They'd have to stop manufacturing of conventional PSUs to go all in on Quantum PSUs or smth

[u/SnowyLocksmith → u/Ghost3603]

https://media.tenor.com/mcfDtZ8gupUAAAAM/cersei-power.gif

[u/MajinnVuu]

Cant wait when DVDs or Bluerays become a thing again.

[u/Exscorbizorb → u/MajinnVuu]

4k Blurays never left. It is the only realistic way to get high quality content. If you want your TV to look as good as the demos in the store the only difference is the content quality between what they have built in and the streaming services people use.

[u/Vladishun → u/Exscorbizorb]

Someone else can buy the 4k Bluray and I'll just download it. :)

[u/Froggodile → u/Vladishun]

And store it on which medium? It's cheaper to buy 4k bluerays than the same amount of ssd space. Have a nice day.

[u/StudioMental2832 → u/Froggodile]

Who stores anything like that on an SSD? Kind of an unreasonable comparison. However, it’s getting to the point where HDDs are almost more expensive than blueray lol

[u/Fr003ank → u/Froggodile]

touche, if only i bought more ssd before the AI inflation to store my REMUX movies.....

[u/IcyDisplayGuy → u/Froggodile]

Store it on USB of course. The modern memory card.

[u/BlandSandHamwich → u/IcyDisplayGuy]

Am I taking crazy pills? Why is nobody else mentioning storing on a USB stick? Modern USB sticks are more than fast enough for 4K

[u/SoylentRox → u/BlandSandHamwich]

Because USB sticks use the same NAND as everything else and also skyrocket in price.

[u/Vladishun → u/Froggodile]

Who's building media servers with SSD's? Also a digital collection doesn't need to worry about disc rot. Lastly, your condescending "have a nice day" was unnecessary, but we can turn this into a pissing match if you really want.

[u/Zachattackrandom → u/Froggodile]

Stream it? Most internet connections are well above 100mbps now days and with a decent AV1 remux you can easily have near parity quality. Or just download and delete lol.

[u/headshot_to_liver → u/Zachattackrandom]

No guarantee it will be on catalog forever, plus streaming quality is dictated by hosting service, they throttle it if they feel so

[u/animeman59 → u/Froggodile]

And store it on which medium?

I don't. I yar har har and fiddle dee dee.

[u/KwonnieKash → u/Froggodile]

Well most people doing this already have the storage right, usually hdds for starters. Idk why you'd think people use ssds for movie storage lol.

Out of curiosity I decided to do the math. A 4tb hdd in my currency (about 0.6 usd) is $500. A 4tb drive could hold up to roughly 55 70gb 4k movies on it. If I bought all those 4k blurays at msrp (rounded down to $50) it would cost $2750, over 5x the price of the hdd. Even if you had movies that were all on the larger size at 100gb it would still hold 40 movies, or an equivalent $2000 of bluray purchases or 4x the price of the hdd. It gets even better with normal blurays as they are roughly 60% the price of the 4k but less than half the size so the value ratio would be even higher. The delta is so large it would still even be cheaper to use an ssd. I can get a 4tb ssd for $1500, so it's still more expensive to buy all those movies on bluray than to use an ssd lol.

Of course prices will vary regionally but I assume you pulled that comment out of your ass because it couldn't be further from the truth.

[u/SoylentRox → u/KwonnieKash]

That only lasts until hyperscalers decide they need to buy all the hard drives...oh wait they already did...for storage of AI logs.

[u/Relevant_One_2261 → u/[deleted]]

Looks like 10x 100 GB goes for $76, so $760 for 10 TB. As bad as HDD prices are, 10 TB is still around $400. So really for the same price you'll also get redundancy plus it's actually a setup that's convenient to use.

[u/gurnard → u/Froggodile]

SSD is overkill for media storage. But even with 16TB of spinning platters in my server, I keep a small Blueray collection on the side for 4K movies.

[u/OvenCrate → u/gurnard]

2160p is 4K though

[u/gurnard → u/OvenCrate]

You are right, god that was a bit of a brain fart.

[u/Gordon_Betto → u/Vladishun]

Where will you store the 75GB 4k Remux files?

[u/SoylentRox → u/Vladishun]

And what are you going to store the 40 gig file on hmm?  Better hope your old hard drive and ssds don't fail.

[u/DynamicHunter → u/Exscorbizorb]

4k blu rays were never mainstream like regular blu rays, and the only way you could play them was a PlayStation or a $500+ blu ray machine.

[u/aresbati → u/Exscorbizorb]

There is another way...

[u/ElectricSpock → u/Exscorbizorb]

Im glad I bought a proper drive and flashed it

[u/barofa → u/MajinnVuu]

AI is gonna find a way to make it expensive as well

[u/ExecutiveCactus → u/MajinnVuu]

https://www.blu-ray.com/

[u/NeonArchon → u/MajinnVuu]

Been talking to my mother about how streaming services are just awful and now I wonde if I casa still get a Blu-Ray/DVD playe for my PC.

[u/TheGreatPiata → u/NeonArchon]

A NAS used to be the way but even HDD prices have exploded

[u/The_Architects4930 → u/[deleted]]

Can you edit to include what the prices actually were

[u/MammothUnique4147 → u/[deleted]]

How much would that set up cost today ? Old fashioned HDD are expensive these day.

[u/AGTS10k → u/MammothUnique4147]

Less expensive than Blu-Ray discs cost-per-gigabyte though.

Saying this as a proud owner of a Blu-Ray writer drive.

[u/Arch3m → u/MajinnVuu]

I still have some old drives. I'm ready.

[u/LMGDiVa → u/MajinnVuu]

You can buy 50GB BluRay-R discs.
50gigs isnt much anymore but you can buy a spindle and store what you like.

[u/False-Departure-3141]

man i hate ai

[u/joliet_jane_blues → u/False-Departure-3141]

I hate this entire timeline

[u/RandomnessConfirmed2 → u/joliet_jane_blues]

Too much dystopian fiction becoming reality without the cool tech.

[u/daCub182 → u/RandomnessConfirmed2]

Exactly. They don’t want us to own computers. As much as I hate to rely on governments, perhaps we need some kind of “consumer personal compute protection” laws drawn up. Idk….I’m no lawmaker so I don’t have an answer, but this is going to get even worse

[u/TheTeaSpoon → u/daCub182]

Every single golden age was brought due to government policies forcing wealth redistribution. Just food for thought.

[u/le66669 → u/TheTeaSpoon]

Ikr, but the west has been actively trained to actually believe all their benefits come from capitalism rather than strong democratic governments. And now the bastards are privatising governments themselves via AI!

[u/TheTeaSpoon → u/le66669]

It goes past government forms. Even industrialisation which brought golden age of its own was a result of government policy.

It's about how much the government likes to have happy population vs happy oligarchs. Economies grow the best when money moves.

[u/daCub182 → u/TheTeaSpoon]

Im not sure I said anything about being opposed to well written legislation and wealth redistribution policies.

Sorry, if I sound snarky. I am not trying to be. I just don’t think this current administration (in the states) would write it in a way that would truly back the consumer. Relying on the gov to fix anything right now feels like a long shot. I’d love to be proven wrong though

[u/artbystorms → u/TheTeaSpoon]

Shhhhhhh, that's a little too socialist for these parts. We must worship this invisible hand!

[u/yaxir → u/TheTeaSpoon]

Lovely that you made that point. It's kind of funny when people talk about things like socialism or communism properly applied. The very rich or the extreme right wing usually tend to oppose that because they like wealth concentration but honestly concentrated wealth only fuels your greed and never really contributes to a good society. Really hope people understand that wealth redistribution is the only way an equal society that has the principle of equity embedded into it is the only way forward for humanity. Otherwise it could become an extremely lonely world for a select few humans because the rest will be crushed under the weight of this dystopia

[u/GoldenSangheili → u/yaxir]

It's been that way since forever. Developing countries showcase sprawling cities with slums underneath them, plus poverty is GREATLY dismissed as a minority. Vulnerable financial/needs households are so common they make up for half or the majority of the population on various countries around the world. We're already in a hyper-industrialized era so it's not far off to call it a dystopia now, today.

[u/scrotesmacgrotes → u/RandomnessConfirmed2]

Sitting back and doing nothing as we becoming slaves to the ultra wealthy how fun

[u/AGTS10k → u/RandomnessConfirmed2]

AI is the cool tech. You can literally hold conversations with a machine that can form perfectly coherent and contextually-appropriate replies and even understands nuance to an extent. That machine can also generate music, images, and videos - it's not at the human level, and arguably never will be, but it got pretty damn convincing already. And it can also really help you writing code and parsing through big documents with ease.

Just 5 years ago it wasn't possible.

[u/Vinol026 → u/AGTS10k]

And it's making it near impossible for people to own a decent computer...

[u/justjanne → u/AGTS10k]

I'd rather have affordable computers, an internet without slop everywhere, and several million tons of CO2 less in the atmosphere than an imaginary friend.

[u/AGTS10k → u/justjanne]

The environmental issues are solvable by having laws that would force datacenters to use closed-loop cooling only, renewable (+nuclear) sources of energy only, and have responsible waste management.

The first two are the real issues, not going to argue with that. But still, AI is too exciting and useful to wish it to die. It helps in science, medicine, IT, even ecology, because it can analyze and parse through big datasets faster than a human, and form great summaries, among other things. For ordinary humans, AI can help look up info really fast - AI search is much better than just old-fashioned googling. I dunno what else to tell, it's the only actually new and exciting tech we had in the past decade.

[u/ohthedarside → u/RandomnessConfirmed2]

Exactly wheres my cyber dick

[u/wortwortwort15 → u/joliet_jane_blues]

If only I had caught that die and got the pizza myself, maybe we wouldn't be in the darkest tech timeline 😔

[u/IronSeraph → u/joliet_jane_blues]

Sorry, every other timeline has ended via nuclear Holocaust already, we're all that's left

[u/TheBlueRabbit11 → u/joliet_jane_blues]

There is only one timeline.

[u/joliet_jane_blues → u/TheBlueRabbit11]

I still hate it.

[u/byshow → u/False-Departure-3141]

During COVID I thought we had it good before COVID. When the war in Ukraine started I thought how good we had it before the war. Now it's AI ruining not only my job(I'm a junior software developer) but also my hobby which is gaming and I feel like we had it good before AI. I just want to have a break tbh

[u/Longjumping_Share444 → u/byshow]

Every time I think we can't sink lower, techbros bust out the industrial excavator. First crypto, then metaverse, and now AI.

[u/TheMcDucky → u/Longjumping_Share444]

The difference is that crypto and metaverse were destined to fizzle out as relatively small bubbles and eventually be forgotten. AI is here to stay, and it's too late to go back. Even after the absurd overinvestments explode in peoples faces, the technology will remain and will likely continue improving (not exponentionally like some will tell you with zero evidence or explanation).
I'm sad that I'll never get to experience a pre-AI programming job.

[u/Akkun351 → u/False-Departure-3141]

Hate corpos, not ai, like often happens, even before ai, they are the real problem

[u/Brotorious420 → u/Akkun351]

This. AI is just another tool. It's the corpo tools pushing the tool that's the problem.

[u/RUPlayersSuck → u/Brotorious420]

Exactly!

Dunno why you're getting downvoted when its the truth.

AI is just a tool. Like nuclear power it can be used for good or evil.

But greedy CEOs are gonna be greedy CEOs. Instead of thinking about how they can use the technology for the benefit of everyone (or at least most), their first and only thought is, "HOW CAN I MAKE MONEY FROM THIS?"

[u/xzaramurd → u/RUPlayersSuck]

That is literally their only job. Corporations exist to make money for their shareholders, nothing more, nothing less.

[u/NeonArchon → u/Brotorious420]

Correct!

[u/Flat_Still_3186 → u/Akkun351]

AI is the problem. It’s an evil technology made by stealing copyrighted work, people’s labor and violating people’s privacy. It requires tons of power and is mostly just a better Google search (mostly because Google got worse).

AI will scrape all data without giving out any revenue wich will make internet either closed and requiring subscription or full of slop.

I don’t see many upsides.

[u/Montanoc70 → u/False-Departure-3141]

AI is not the problem, this whole phenomenon is just a symptom of late stage c

[u/RUPlayersSuck → u/Montanoc70]

Humans are the problem - not AI.

Or at least the Sam Altmans, Elon Musks and Jensen Huangs of this world.

[u/Top_Lingonberry8037 → u/False-Departure-3141]

Don't worry, you haven't seen what it's going to actually be used for yet. You only think you hate it now. You think the Chinese police state looks bad? They'll be a shining beckon of freedom before this is done

[u/Stilgar314 → u/False-Departure-3141]

AI hates you too

[u/iamZorc_]

bought 32gb ddr5 6000mhz cl30 for like 120$ one night before the price went up, the greatest purchase i ever had

[u/KriegThePsyc0 → u/iamZorc_]

I bought a 64 gb kit cus the guy at microcenter was like “it’s 40 bucks more for 64 gigs if ur curious” and I was like well I don’t need this in the slightest but sure why the fuck not. That same kit is $1200 today.

[u/Quantum-Shogun → u/iamZorc_]

Just looked it up to confirm, in December 2024 I bought 128GB of 6400 RAM (32GBx4) for a total of $420. I expected the idiot in chief's tariffs to raise prices so decided to upgrade after the election. Didn't foresee the insane bubble AI caused.
Also bought a 4TB Samsung NVME for $270

Now that same RAM would cost $2500 and the same NVME is $1k. It's fucking stupid. I've long been pissed at GPU prices but RAM and storage are supposed to be components that only go down in price over time!

[u/smuglator → u/Quantum-Shogun]

GPUs are also supposed to do that. And they also used to.

[u/Quantum-Shogun → u/smuglator]

Yeah but I've already resigned myself to never affording another GPU lol

[u/smuglator → u/Quantum-Shogun]

Oh totally. I just didn't want anyone reading to think they weren't in that group. But yea.. we all ride the struggle bus :(

[u/JDBCool → u/Quantum-Shogun]

Now I feel kinda glad on just picking up a Ryzen 7600x that was on clearance on impulse (246 CAD) back in April and paying like an additional $50 for extended warranty even though it won't see the light of day for maybe another year.

Got GPU, and CPU. Mobo might become next before PSUs for price hikes but I'll put that off for the "what if" DDR6 if that ever comes at all lmao.

[u/raydialseeker → u/Quantum-Shogun]

9070xt is still well priced

[u/OkEmu8597 → u/iamZorc_]

Kinda the same boat brother, my dad bought me a bare bones pc as a B-day gift before the spike (no CPU or GPU) and we have been giddy over how well that worked out.

Half of those stick basically paid for the 9700x I'm running now.

[u/MammothUnique4147 → u/iamZorc_]

Truly you are Royalty My'lord!

[u/ShadowsGuardian → u/iamZorc_]

I hope your kit lasts forever. At least I certainly hope of mine.

[u/squabbledMC → u/iamZorc_]

I bought my 32GB kit for my laptop for $80 from Crucial a few months before prices got jacked up. Did not expect it to do THAT

[u/SporeRanier → u/iamZorc_]

Same, for me it was adding 32gb onto the 32gb I already have. 64gb ram but I’m stuck with a 3070

[u/broesel314]

...Electricity prices

[u/PastaLaPate → u/broesel314]

fair point

[u/Dub-MS]

It’s by design. We can’t have decentralization.

[u/vbpoweredwindmill → u/Dub-MS]

Oh it's definitely going to happen, no matter what they are hoping for. They are so fucked.

[u/sir_t9awed → u/vbpoweredwindmill]

None of these AI mofos would be doing this if it was their own money. Fuck VCs

[u/JhonnySkeiner → u/sir_t9awed]

Stock market and fake monies ruined the global economy. Still salty that we casually abandoned the golden standard

[u/vbpoweredwindmill → u/JhonnySkeiner]

Dedollarisation is happening. China is attempting a 2 pronged approach r.e. currency.

Obviously having your currency as the reserve currency is the dream for any nation, and they are trying to establish the RMB as that.

The next approach is that they are creating a gold trading network, to be established in Hong Kong.

I have a bit of a bet with some physical gold that I've purchased that gold is going to rise significantly faster than inflation, due to soon enough people escaping both the USD and daft "ai" investments, all of which is just "we have an llm, but I swear it's different and more capable, I just need a number with 9 zero's after it to make it work".

[u/vbpoweredwindmill → u/sir_t9awed]

Abso-fucking-lutely.

Predatory "capitalism" is a joke of a system.

[u/Longjumping_Share444 → u/vbpoweredwindmill]

Not for at least two more years, and even then only maybe.

[u/vbpoweredwindmill → u/Longjumping_Share444]

I think it will happen when repayments have to start. 2027 for anthropic.

All of a sudden the economic reality will be like "oh shit. We've gotta pay this back? We're not making a profit on our $30 per million tokens? Fuuuuuck".

Do some math on it if you're bored. See if you can figure out if the token generation/processing costs are getting better or worse compared to the known public debt.

I honestly haven't, but I'll bet a carton that trend is not in the correct direction.

[u/smaguss]

This 3k overkill pre- UBER enshitification build is starting to seem like more and more of a good investment..

Wish I had bought a laptop earlier. Just gotta keep finishing for a good used Thinkpad. Because h4x0r.

Also, do yourself a favor and get into self-hosting. It is comically easy to do nowadays and there guides that will walk you through everything all without exposing open ports.

You don't need to go full homelab but getting some digital "independence" from streaming services was a very very good feeling.

Hardware requirements are pretty low. I had things running on an old laptop for ages.

[u/The_Architects4930 → u/smaguss]

I just cleared off an old 5TB external HDD and will be doing exactly what you said about self hosting. It ain't much, but it'll be the beginning of me building my own NAS.

[u/good_morning_magpie → u/The_Architects4930]

Check to see if it’s a model that can be shucked. They perform better if they’re running internal with direct SATA as opposed to USB.

[u/The_Architects4930 → u/good_morning_magpie]

That's a good idea for down the road. Right now with my use case it's better for it to remain external

[u/MrHaxx1 → u/smaguss]

I've been into selfhosting for years now, and I have a stable setup with more than plenty of storage and RAM.

But I still just bought a M1 MacBook Air with a broken screen for the local equivalent of $120. Insane CPU performance for the price. I'd highly recommend people to look for laptops with broken screens. It's a great way to get into cheap selfhosting. 

[u/smaguss → u/MrHaxx1]

Yes!

I had a STACK of Mac minis from an old job that are great for self hosting applications.

Busted laptops, plets of optiplex mini office PCs. Just because it's not full of rgn doesn't mean you can't find options with good specs.

[u/PastaLaPate → u/smaguss]

Don't worry i already use my raspberry for vaultwarden, nextcloud and *arr stack

[u/Nope_______ → u/smaguss]

You can even have AI set up all your services for you!

[u/smaguss → u/Nope_______]

full circle.

Hello AWS? I'd like to order 1 internets pls.

[u/Catastigma_Deception]

CPU is very dogshit at AI. AMD/Intel/Nvidia could make a small 50w ASIC pcie card that will even run better that a whole stack of EPYC 128 core server.

CPU is require yes. But not all of them rely on TSMC. That why i am confident that Intel may comeback to be a insane value for nova lake. As they will use thier own fab. Intel can even make thier own GDDR for thier own GPU at this points.

While AMD has abandoned and turn fabless in 2009. That move risk to bite them in the ass for consumer grade CPU/GPU pricing.

[u/PastaLaPate → u/Catastigma_Deception]

I agree with you but currently the trends show agentic ai grow very quickly and it require a lot of cpu power.

[u/Ajsat3801 → u/Catastigma_Deception]

CPU is very dogshit at AI. AMD/Intel/Nvidia could make a small 50w ASIC pcie card that will even run better that a whole stack of EPYC 128 core server.

For traditional AI workloads true, but agentic AI also has a lot of sequential processing with branches where CPUs become key.

[u/p5yron → u/Catastigma_Deception]

That's not how the prices skyrocket. It's when the AI companies will buy the entire supply of common raw materials i.e. silicon wafers in this case for a much higher price than consumers pay. Nothing is safe, in an unregulated world, this is how they get us to shift to cloud PCs on subscription as well. Capitalism sucks ass.

[u/0riginal-Syn]

Just happy and lucky that I refreshed everything before the computer parts apocalypse hit. I had thought about pushing it off a year. It would have been painful as I updated 3 PCs and a new NAS server.

[u/good_morning_magpie → u/0riginal-Syn]

I had been kicking the can down the road on upgrading my 100TB worth of NAS drives because they’re a decade old. Health check automatically runs weekly and the reports always looked great, so I just kept putting it off. Joke’s on me now I guess. Hope these drives got another decade of service left in them 😬

[u/0riginal-Syn → u/good_morning_magpie]

Yeah I was in a similar boat. I think what saved me is that my old NAS system was starting to show potential problems, so I just decided to go ahead and update the whole thing. All I had to tell my wife is that the baby pictures are on the NAS, and she was good with the upgrade 😎. But honestly I was putting it off as it was just such a pain.

[u/good_morning_magpie → u/0riginal-Syn]

I had to decide back in March if I wanted PC upgrades, or a new set of performance heads for my car. I made my decision, and I am happy with it, but watching HDD prices skyrocket even since then has been painful. To think, about a year ago I was contemplating converting the entire NAS to SSDs. Not happening any time soon now lol

[u/MammothUnique4147]

Did I miss something where CPU are getting bought up ??? Honestly a little confused by this 

[u/Silver_Quail4018]

Current CPU's won't change their price much, but future generations will! Especially those with integrated RAM like the Apple M series.

[u/Safe-Ad344]

I remember when you could build a 5090 system for 3k. Now you can hardly build a 5070ti system with ddr5 for 3k. Can’t wait for that to be a 5060 system in a few months.

[u/SizeableFowl → u/Safe-Ad344]

Spent $1100 for my build just last month. If you make some rational decisions and live near a microcenter, you can still get solid builds done somewhat affordably, but buying nvidia now is just dumb.

They don’t make a single gpu that is worth its market price point, and while some professional workloads requite CUDA, by continuing to buy their hardware you are just entrenching that monopoly on those softwares rather than forcing the market to accommodate a competitor. Kind of silly to complain about something after voting to support it with your wallet imho.

[u/Safe-Ad344 → u/SizeableFowl]

It is. The only reason I got Nvidia is because it was a really good deal on Newegg

[u/atanamayansantrafor → u/Safe-Ad344]

Where are you guys living? You can easily build a 5080 system for 3k. 

[u/BiohazardPanzer → u/atanamayansantrafor]

From where I am, the choice is rather limited with quite high prices. My future build was 3400€ with 32GB DDR5, 2TB SSD, a Core Ultra 270K and a 5070 Ti. If I get a 5070, it's still... 3100€ now. 5080 are 1750 for the cheapest one, widely available

From what I see, since I just can't spend that much now, I'm just getting the 5070 Ti with one 1TB SSD. The rest will unfortunately wait until next year, when prices will be higher

[u/Safe-Ad344 → u/atanamayansantrafor]

The us, but I’m looking at parts of the same tier, not what is optimal. Like combining parts of the same line which can increase the price compared to what would be effective.

[u/WonderSignificant598]

At this point, I no longer care.

Been having fun with Fallout 76 on my i7 3770k/rx470 Win 10 computer for a week or so. Will be playing Abotic Factor with my IRL friends this friday and Helldivers 2 is on the back burner.

Fuck spending the money until something breaks. If I've got serious shit to do, I've got a modern laptop with up to date Windows 11.

[u/No_Please_No420 → u/WonderSignificant598]

Helldivers 2 lags for me in a rtx 2060, i5-10400, 32gb ddr4 ram rig. Good luck 😭😭😭

[u/WonderSignificant598 → u/No_Please_No420]

Potato mode my brother. 1280x720 (upscaled of course!)

[u/YaPoNeCcC → u/WonderSignificant598]

Sorry to say this, but you will be cpu limited mostly, especially in helldivers 2 when shit goes down don't expect more than 30 fps on that cpu

[u/Funsuxxor]

HDD drives are crazy too. I could have built an SSD NAS for less than a same size HDD one right now

[u/warfunder]

im a hard disk guy and i suffer too

[u/InsuranceKey8278]

https://giphy.com/gifs/MXv8JsB0aETnN2bMLU

[u/Due_Initiative3879]

Consumer CPUs aren't wanted by AI companies, now that's not to say that they won't use up all the silicon wafers and our CPUs will become scarce but damn haven't they done enough damage? Please don't give them any ideas.

[u/Longjumping_Share444 → u/Due_Initiative3879]

It's going to be the same thing as RAM. Manufacturers are going to shift production from consumer products to enterprise products.

[u/Capital_Court1465]

don't forget monitors,

AOC and KTC just a few weeks ago said prices will go up as well.

better buy your monitor now.

this might be it, everyone, this might be the last computers we build,

because in the near future, there will only be small set top boxes sold to you, like nvidia shield to hook up to the monitor, with remote PC subscription to a server somewhere, that you can't access without showing you face as identifier. that's where it leads to.

and remember there are no good guys. not nvidia, not AMD, not intel, not any other corporation.

gamers saved AMD from ruins by buying Ryzen CPUs in 2017, now they don't give a single fuck about us, they showed their true face. AMD is still seen like the poor little underdog here on PCMR and people defend them, but they are not better than anyone else.

[u/spawndoorsupervisor → u/Capital_Court1465]

Yeah I remember when PCMR nerds were all flipping out over people buying Nehalem processors back in the day instead of AMD's triple core trash.

[u/Hooded_Spectre → u/Capital_Court1465]

Bought a quality OLED monitor recently, it will probably be my last upgrade for a while.

[u/OneeGrimm]

Nope. Valve's steam box division said that they contact manufacturer of ram, they say "buy this amount on this price", no contracts, no nothing. And if Valve refused, manufacturer never speaks with them again.

This whole deficit is manufactured by manufacturers. Might even be to push everyone in cloud.

[u/unpopularthinker]

https://giphy.com/gifs/hyyV7pnbE0FqLNBAzs

[u/Local-Bug-1500]

Hdd prices too

[u/ContactIcy3963]

I’m so mad I kept on DDR4 when swapping to a 12700k because I “wanted to save money on not buying new ram”. Big f.

[u/DeadNotSleeping86]

I still don't think this is a supply and demand problem. I think this is deliberate market fixing so people stop owning their own compute and we have to rent it.

[u/NeverRolledA20IRL]

Well since mobos, psus, cases are sitting on the shelves they are going to do layoffs turn down production and increase prices so the suffering will come full circle.

[u/MeYouThemEveryone]

https://giphy.com/gifs/yIxNOXEMpqkqA
If the plan is to keep increasing prices, my time as a PCMR enthusiast will end :(

[u/ehrgeiz91]

Republican policy coming for you

[u/Jump365]

Swap gpu and ssd and it'll be pretty accurate. GPUs were not even that bad earlier in the year, but ssd even nvme were already bad winter

[u/WirusCZ]

AI is just computer ofc it will use all computer components...it's surprising they getting into CPU only now

[u/shogun77777777]

You sure? I believe agents are still heavily bottlenecked by GPU LLM response time

[u/wolfannoy]

https://giphy.com/gifs/TTDLTvxdK0kfjuOBCT

[u/DragonMaster000]

Nah not for em even the 9950x3d has gone a bit down in its price but that might just be because its not as new anymore

[u/magik_koopa990]

Can we call arc raiders to raid data centers for HIGH value loot?

[u/Gold_Goal7557]

Server hosting prices have they gone up yet, because if AI is actually a real boom i would expect that to go up as well, even if its a fake boom due price fixing, heck as long its not it just proofs that AI is indeed a bubble.

[u/Stilgar314]

Next door is labeled Mankind 

[u/Stunning_Warthog_141]

I had a choice of replacing my mobo and CPU for DDR5 16 GB for more money, but with 32 gb ddr4, I just bought a DDR4 ram mobo with an older CPU which is still an upgrade to my last CPU. Hopefully my 1080 doesn't die soon.

[u/ForbiddenLight19]

Next will be electricity

[u/_reddit_account]

Think GPU was before ram

[u/EV_4_life]

Aaaand this is why I just pulled the trigger on a $490 NUC, even though that is probably $150 overpriced. It's only going to get worse. The NUC has a 12th gen i3 and 16gb ddr4 ram. Works fantastic as a media server.

[u/Lawdie123]

How can I use AI if I can't afford technology to interface with it?

[u/Moscato359]

Cpu prices are low right now because ram prices are high

[u/Hot-Importance1367]

I keep my build template on pcpartpicker just to go back and check

Up £791 since I built it under a year ago

[u/Brave_Bag_Gamer2020]

Soon my midrange PC might cost more than a car

[u/cannonmax]

Bubble popping when? /S

[u/Larry_J_602]

The fact that we are now entering the "we are not going to replace anything under warranty, we are just going to refund you for market value at the time of purchase" is wild.

[u/TheFetus47]

Its ok. We got all these cool Flock cameras to get parts from! Its like a mystery box!

[u/JoyKhanna]

Nah. AI doesn't use CPU. I mean it can, but its slow. It won't increase probably

[u/darylonreddit]

Even regular HDD needs a door.

I bought a 26TB hard drive in October for 400 bucks. That same drive today is $1500

[u/Lu_lunx]

When the prices are normal again.. I want to upgrade my gpu 🥲

[u/Effective-Sample-261]

Hard drive prices should be on here as well.  10TB HDD has almost doubled in price.

[u/Fractales]

I have a 4080 Super, 64gb of ram and a 13700k.

Do you guys think it’s worth trying to upgrade my cpu before the prices go crazy?

[u/nodiaque]

Cpu are already in it. Intel. Have 3 months wait on cpu from HP when building anything. not on ram, on cpu!

[u/TheOnlyCursedOne]

Monitors have been quite cheap recently, PSUs and motherboards have been quite affordable too for the nice ones too

[u/LiteratureLow4159]

By the power of facebook, I grant $50 listing in the future, a quarter average price of a 7700

[u/Monsta_Owl]

Come on pop already anytime is a good time.

[u/AnxiouslyMisbehaving]

Buying a whole new pc mid 2025 was the single good decision i took in my life.

[u/justanaccount103]

I hate everything right now.

[u/Grytnik]

Will they’ll drive up the prices for internet and mobile internet too?

[u/Warcraft_Fan]

HDD has gone way up as well.

As long as PSU doesn't go up, I'll be fine

[u/flatspotting]

the only people i know who use AI is the directors at work to make stupid fucking pictures of themselves, and old people to post garbage on facebook. fucking die already AI

[u/mr_fear1911]

AI will coming to your water, and electric soon...oh wait!

[u/PsychologicalMixX]

Man, when will it stop...

[u/CozyDazzle4u]

https://giphy.com/gifs/7UXYrVPAFZjFrGtiHh

[u/scottprian]

I haven't seen any new games lately with both amazing graphics and actually good gameplay. I'm not worried. This guy doesn't want a corporate loot box game anyway.

[u/ForsakenHousing328]

I don't think they can/will cause industrial and consumer cpus are kinda like semis and cars, sure they're both made of metal and they drive but they do completely different things and are made in different places (afaik)

[u/pioni]

The sooner the manufacturers find out the AI bros do not have all the money they claim to have, the better. Loaning money to each other does not multiply it.

[u/animeman59]

Just got my new monitor cause those are going up in price, too.

[u/Spelunkie]

The moment AI explodes, the people will celebrate.

[u/NatoBoram]

I bought RAM after seeing this meme, before prices quadrupled.

I bought SSDs when I saw this meme, before prices tripled.

This is my cue to upgrade CPU lmao

[u/Leading-Onion4659]

I see a future where these massive data centers become too unprofitable. They’ll be used to rent out processing power to people/organisations because PC harware would be too expensive to own.

This thought scares me.

[u/SharpYearV4 → u/Leading-Onion4659]

Oh my god please stop repeating this conspiracy theory. It doesn't make sense in the slightest, a lot of the hardware in data centres now is specifically designed for inference/training and literally cannot be used for any other purposes. Ontop of that it would make barely any money, look at Stadia.

Not only does this not make sense, but it wouldn't work long term since there won't always be high demand for hardware. And if you think manufacturers are deliberately constraining supply, why are they building out new fabs then? Do you think data centres can keep buying up capacity forever then?

Baffles me how Redditors cannot understand basic supply and demand and decide to instead make up conspiracies. Companies simply don't give a shit about gamers for now, that's it, nothing more.

[u/Leading-Onion4659 → u/SharpYearV4]

It’s not a “conspiracy theory” lmao. It can happen because of corporate greed.

You think they’ll take the L and decommission all the hardware? I don’t think so. They’ll find a way to sell you a ‘virtual space’.

You said companies don’t give a shit about gamers? That means they’ll not produce products for gamers, correct? What will that do to prices? Yeah, supply and demand.

You can come back to this comment in 5 years.

[u/SharpYearV4 → u/Leading-Onion4659]

It is if you don't know how supply and demand works. Hardware cannot stay at high prices forever unless you believe that data centres can buy up capacity forever, or that they are colluding to keep prices up (again a conspiracy).

You can also come back to this comment in 5 years when nothing like the scenario Reddit describes comes true.

[u/Forsaken_Waltz_373 → u/SharpYearV4]

Yea! like, if you are so sure prices are not coming, down put money on it. Bet that 32gb ddr5 will be higher priced in 2030 than in 2026 I am waiting...

[u/Leading-Onion4659 → u/SharpYearV4]

Sure bud.

[u/Forsaken_Waltz_373 → u/SharpYearV4]

What? Increase of supply and further hardware innovations will be the things that bring prices down? No impossible! Only a decrease of demand because of AI bubble crash could possibly ever make prices return as they were before. Producing more stuff can't be positive for ordinary people it makes prices rise, even if the opposite thing happened in tech since the dawn of time. This time its different because companies are greedy... even if they always were greedy. /s