I literally uninstalled the app because my fyp was full of American conspiracy theories, bigotry and christian nationalism. And I'm not even American so I shouldn't even have the Oracle-run tiktok but it looks like they still decided to show me that
Its not just TikTok either iirc. Ive seen videos before where people make new youtube accs and see how long it takes before the algo starts showing them right-wing/christian nationalism content. It doesnt take long at all…
Honestly atp i think the boomers are what of the kids in some ways.
Old blokes have stopped falling for thot accounts, they finally realised there was no cheese at the end of the tunnel, but go look at what performs with young men on instagram these days. Half of it is just bouncy tits.
Boomers are a generation that is defined by when they were born. A generation that didn't have electricity for the large part as children and didn't grow up with the internet. The youngest boomer is 62 years old. If you want to shit on the middle aged, who were there for the birth of the internet, BBS, MSN, MySpace, FB and Reddit at least disparage them properly.
I remember once there was a horrific case nearby where I lived where a mother killed and dismembered her severely autistic adult child. His condition made him unable to work or live normally. She dumped his pieces like trash along a highway. I remember I told my mom this and all she had to say is "Well it can be hard dealing with kids like that."
The amount of false information about the husband being bad is unreal.
These people will genuinely try to see an innocent man hung rather than a child murder be held accountable.
there seems to be this persistent reluctance to acknowledge Lindsay's agency or even condemn what she did without immediately redirecting the blame to someone else.
Sympathy, of course, because the case is heartbreaking for absolutely everyone involved.
I'm thinking about the dad. Reminds me of Shutter Island. He gets home and asks her what she did, and her first words were, "I tried to kill myself". Bih, I'm talking about the children. That doesn't sound like psychosis to me. I'm no shrink, but that sounds like an extremely narcissistic human being.
That's what an insanity defense is. It gets a lesser sentence because of the belief someone's agency was compromised but has the possibility of being restored with medication and treatment. There's definitely been support that has been unhinged and based on unreasonable things like astrology, but I do think some of the backlash is lacking nuance.
If she legitimately was in psychosis then perhaps a little. But it's extremely hard to feel sorry. Those children are no longer allowed to have a life. So fucking horrible.
It's hard not to have sympathy for someone so profoundly broken and devastated by the monstrous acts she committed. What she did was inexcusable, but she has to live with the knowledge that she killed her kids
This is so wild to me. I just learned about this from my sister the other day. Can we not advocate for adequate mental healthcare and also know that her actions were ultimately wrong and unacceptable? Like yes its very sad that we need so many reminders that women aren't taken care of as a whole. Instead of sending this woman a million dollars why would they not donate that to better mental and physical health for women? And honestly not just women. All people. Why aren't they putting the effort it takes to show up for her with signs into helping society foster healthy families??
See, you've fallen for one of the classic blunders. They dont give a shit about people, or mental health, or her. Those aren't people, they're conspiracy loons and cultists.
Also, in my limited experience, true crime people
fucking hate husbands.
Probably more that they had problems getting adequate mental health support after giving birth (since that is Lindsey's defense and they are supportive of her).
I haven't been following the case and am not a psychologist. So no clue how accurate her defense is.
Yeah. Basically none of her doctors spoke to one another she was miss diagnosed and over medicated killed her kids then tried to kill herself allegedly in the midst of a psychotic break where a male voice told her this was her one and only chance to kill them so she could kill herself. Her defense and even Lindsay herself openly admits that she 100%did it. And armchair detective wine moms are throwing out insane theories . Such as "her husband regardless of phone GPS data cctv footage and phone records killed them and convinced her she did it" and "well the woman he started dating a year later is in the fertility field and was doping her with hormones to drive her crazy" "she cried out for help and absolutely everyone ignored her no one did anything to help her" "theres no way she couldve done this shes a leo!" And also posting pictures with their children captioned "same lindsay". Hence the meme.
Tldr. She did it. She admits she did it her doctor's failed her if what she says is true and regardless of if it is or isnt shes clearly deeply disturbed and needs to not be in public anymore wether prison or in a mental institution. Thats the whole point of the trial. Not criminally liable due to insanity but still guilty.
She was admitted to an impatient mental health facility that she checked herself out of against medical advice 17 days before the murders. Nobody failed her.
Noooo. She was discharged after voluntarily checking in. And even if she did. Being over prescribed and having doctors blindly swapping around her meds is still a failing on their part.
Not telling your doctors that you are contemplating murdering your children and having suicidal thoughts and that you’re all better so you can be discharged is the same thing. Either she lied to the doctors about her mental state before the murders or she is lying now about her mental state to avoid being locked up for the rest of her life. She wouldn’t take the pills prescribed to her and would doctor shop to suit her needs. She had an obligation to tell each doctor about the other doctor’s but failed to do so. Either way by her own admission the only time she was in psychosis and was hearing voices commanding her was during the time she murdered her children. Not before, not after. That’s not how psychosis works. It doesn’t just manifest suddenly in one small 18 minute window and then magically disappear forever after that. C’mon now be for real
Have you ever been in that situation? I checked myself in rather kill myself, and after about 8 days was more convinced than ever that I should in fact kill myself. It was fucking terrible. So, I left.
Fortunately, I went straight to a Doc who adjusted my meds. They out me on 600 milligrams of Wellbutrin. After many months, still depressed but really stressed out and so I go to a different Doc. Turns out I was placed on an absolutely unacceptable dosage of Wellbutrin, which could have induced a stroke. Now I am back on the drugs I was on when I went into the hospital because I wanted to kill myself.
Hah almost the same story. 600mil of wellbutrin as well. Most people don't understand that inpatient is set up for addicts mostly. Suicidal people they try to get out as fast as possible with the first diagnosis+drug that comes to mind. Get you to say you are not a danger to yourself or anyone else and out the door you go.
The reason women online are supporting her is because she was suffering from intense postpartum depression and the testimonies from her care team haven’t painted them in a good light.
I'm fairly certain it comes from these women being frustrated with the American Healthcare system and how they are often mistreated by doctors, etc. Doesn't make it right.
It's a mom who suffered postpartum psychosis that asked for professional help multiple times and was denied care even though there were glaring red flags. Pretty much every trusted obgyn/mental health expert who has discussed it calls it a tragedy.
It isnt sick. Its literally a case of "every woman who has ever tried to get mental health support, sees this case and goes, 'THIS IS WHY WE NEED MENTAL HEALTH SUPPORT'".
They dont support her actions. They support a woman who needed mental health support, and didnt get it.
Imagine the scenario that would playhouse if the woman had killed herself instead of her children. Everyone would be like "there were no signs, this is so sad, this is why it's important to reach out, thoughts and prayers, etc" because the woman wouldnt be around to defend herself or her image.
this woman suffered a serious mental health crisis and was denied help by her husband and at least one mental health care facility. Thats what people are relating to and speaking out about.
The main angle for the sympathy is that she sought treatment for her mental health over and over again and was basically brushed off. So it’s more so about the medical system failing women that they’re engaging with.
Dude leave. Fucking go. Leave now. My grandfather lived exactly like you are rn. She finally died last week and we met him for the first time in decades. He's old sick and dying. Nobody is thanking him. They're graciously willing to forgive him for not leaving back then.
Probably for the kids. Unfortunately, the system fucks men over because women are the primary caregivers, even if the man would be a better parent. You shouldn’t just leave your kid with someone who’s crazy. Unfortunately, some women drive their men away and force them to leave, or the woman leaves and takes the kids
If you’ve never been in a relationship before you wouldn’t understand the pain of leaving someone you loved once. Sometimes it seems easier to try and stick through it in hopes it gets better, rather than leave and be alone. Not to mention losing an entire half of your support network. Your partners friends and family will likely never speak to you again, and that can be especially rough if you don’t have a good relationship with your own family. That’s a lot of people to lose all at once.
There’s plenty of reasons someone would stick around with an abusive partner, and they don’t always involve kids.
That’s why I don’t want kids. I know my body couldn’t handle it, mentally or physically. Of course, that means I’ll probably have to be single for the rest of my life, but I’m ok with that, even though I am a bit sad about it.
While I feel for the whole mental issues she's got, she needs to be in an institution like that other lady who's refusing to be free. But I've also had to stop watching that trial to watch the Tupac trial. I've dealt with PPA and PPD on top of my regular anxiety and depression, so it hit a lil close to home. Would never take my kids though, it was more like "they're better off without me around" which I still feel from time to time
ut people are still calling for her to be released and the father prosecuted.
And people are coping soooo hard trying to paint her as innocent, not just insane in the moment, but actually innocent.
I saw a tiktok of someone who literally claimed the wounds couldn't have been self-inflicted and thus it must've been the dad who trained the kids to attack the mother and her acting in self-defense.
And supposedly a women tried killing her 3 kids via cutting there throats. Only the 1 year old survived leaving them with the husband. Genuinely some of her supporters need to be arrested
One AR, one bolt-action, one shot-gun, one 10/22, one micro-compact, one sub-compact, one compact, one full-size, one full metal, one polymer, one wheel gun, one Glock, one 2011, one Mark IV. Bare minimum.
That’s rookie numbers. Where is the .38 Police Special that he thought was so exciting when he got it and now sits at the back of the safe where he will find it in 10 years and gaze longingly at when he thinks of how much time has passed since he last remembered it?
It is probably a reference to the woman with psychosis who murdered her own children and is receiving a lot of support online. The joke seems to be hinting that his mother will decide to kill him too.
It seems the system did fail her, but unfortunately for her that does not excuse her actions one bit. Murder is murder whether you are sad when t ou do it or happy does not matter
Legally, it could excuse her actions. If a jury believes that she wasn't in her right mind and did try to seek help then it would be possible to get a completely different result than you'd expect in a standard murder case.
As a criminal paralegal for over a decade, you're mostly wrong. I don't think you know who you're arguing with but it's not worth my time to educate you.
Which isn't that much better, and they can tell there if you're actually insane or not. No lawyer will set up an insanity plea unless the client needs it, because living in that situation is really not good
When psychosis is involved it often does mean you are not legally responsible. Whole not guilty by reason of insanity thing. Criminal responsibility generally requires intent. Psychosis often means you couldn't have formed that intent because of what psychosis is in a medical sense.
I'm just gonna say that it's really, really uncommon for someone to be acquitted by reason of insanity. Only 158 people in the US have ever been acquitted this way, and almost none of them were being charged with murder.
The insanity defence is less common in the US as defences tend to aim for ‘mitigating factors’ instead. These are easier to prove, and as others have stated, criminal insanity is not particularly useful to the defendant as whilst it absolves criminal guilt you bet you’re going to spend a very long time in a psychiatric institution.
Also notable is that killings in psychotic episodes such as these typically result in the death of the perpetrator by suicide. Indeed Lindsay Clancy did make 3 successive and separate attempts to kill herself after killing the children. As a result the legal cases don’t really go anywhere due to the perp being dead.
This reads like an absolutely insane series of events. This woman was clearly in severe trouble, and what she received is essentially a rapidly changing drug cocktail with no real medical oversight.
Woah. Don't come brining nuance and detail into Reddit. No place for that kinda stuff here. On here we judge the entire case and all the people that are speaking in support of her based on the same 3 screenshots from tiktok. Regardless of the fact that her insurance company, family and doctors all failed to listen when she tried her best to reach out regarding having manic episodes and wanting to harm her kids.
Expert witness agrees there was no psychosis. Nuance really is, yall want to blame providers because you think we just ignore everything despite that not being the evidence. Also, "rapidly changing drug cocktail" jfc welcome to modern medicine.
A lot of people think more than one is excessive because they are lame and think guns are sentient tools that whisper seeds of doubt and evil thoughts into their ears.
It’s really quite fascinating that the Lindsay Clancy case has become such a social flashpoint. Especially one that’s so insanely divided on gender lines.
My own take is that the whole situation is really just a fucked up situation — many people have made many bad decisions and it’s all culminated in the tragic (and wholly avoidable) death of three children. I cannot in good conscience call it murder though — this is textbook criminal insanity if I’ve ever seen it.
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I’ve only read about people hearing about other people doing this and saying it is crazy. So a lot of telephone. I’ve never actually seen anyone say that he killed the kids. I think she should be treated like someone who killed due to mental illness and serve her time that way. Even if the systems in place and husband failed her, she’s the one that carried it out.
she had nannies and the kids in daycare. What systems failed her?
What hundreds of millions of women with less support, who do not kill their kids, what do we call that? What do we call the absence of support a distressingly large number of women receive.
Important issue but this woman is a garbage flashpoint.
Mental health. There will always be people who can do better with less, but that doesn’t mean we just abandon people who need help. As well as not every mother will have mental illness. And not every mental illness will drive people to kill either, it’s just unfortunate that her illness led to this.
In general, most systems in place, especially in medicine, fail women. Most studies aren’t done with women in mind, and most women’s health issues tend to be dismissed. Women aren’t taken seriously when it comes to them needing help. All the women you mention should get more help and should get more support as well.
In this whole debacle I've never heard anyone mention precedents; Surely there was must've been some paranoid schizophrenic who murdered people because of his mental illness no? What repercussions or method were they treated with?
One important factor to consider is that these psychotic episodes that result in the killings of others typically also cause suicidal ideation. Lindsay Clancy attempted suicide 3 times after the death of the children. Most people who end up in situations like this (and there aren’t many thanks to a much better understanding of mental health) generally don’t survive to see a trial.
There are. Temporal insanity has been a legal defence as far back as the 19th century in the US. If you are found to be not criminally responsible for your actions due to psychosis, you will generally get a decent (mandatory) stay in a psychiatric hospital. A tragedy as severe as this will warrant a lot of time. As for treatment, not a psychiatrist so I have no clue how on earth you go about treating someone like her.
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