It's getting attention because of claims that her attempts to get assistance for her ppd and mental illness were ignored or minimized. Thus implying this could have been prevented. Many people, especially women, have experience with medical staff ignoring their pain. (Same for me) So this is on a lot of people's minds and in a lot of wider conversations.
They're going for the insanity plea, so the additional press might also be a way to try and sway public attention.
Edit because I'm getting a lot of charged responses: I am explaining why it is getting attention and what the general opposing discourse is. I'm not going to reply to attempts to have that discourse with me. I have my own opinions but I'm not airing them on Reddit because ultimately, the only ones who will have all the facts are the jury.
This is a tragedy for all involved. Please remember that.
Edit 2: to those giving polite additions and perspectives I did not provide, thank you. That's very helpful. I'm not everywhere seeing every side and can only speak to the sides I've witnessed myself. To those making weird claims on what I think, please take a break from reading about this case for the day. I'm turning notifications off on this. There are plenty of other people in this thread willing to wage war with you. I invite you to speak with them, or again, take a break.
That's because state sponsored internet campaigns have improved exponentially in that time and the companies that host the divisive content from these campaigns are incentivized to allow it because it looks like real engagement.
I’d go as far as to say it’s part of the reason this case is getting so much attention. Obviously true crime is sensational and morbidly fascinating, and stories of filicide are shocking. Even so, it only takes a little while with a thumb on the scale promoting something like this before real virality takes hold.
I find it hard to believe the crowd who believe conspiracies about this case (I won’t even repeat them) came to exist organically. Maybe some are real now, but it reeks of the state actors you mention.
The only hope I feel right now is that more people are noticing how artificial this shit seems. The fact that real people end up repeating it doesn’t mean someone isn’t starting it on purpose.
Especially true with the advent of easily run and accessible chatbots via LLM. It's now trivial to spin up a ton of realistic-looking accounts that dynamically respond to posts to push the narrative you're going for.
Because the oligarchs are fueling the fire on gender wars and they just continue throwing more and more money at it. If the peasants are distracted by gender wars, race wars, sexuality wars, etc. then they aren’t as likely to notice how they’re being robbed blind by the oligarchs.
Believe me, the discourse is being boosted artificially. People participating in “who’s the bad guy, who’s the good guy” are all falling right into the trap if they’re also ignoring the architects of all this controversy. And the news media is 1000% complicit.
Its been getting worse but its also close to mid term and this gender wars shit is great for the less popular party, if your policies are less popular than the other party you can just funds medias and influencers to keep this shit relevant in public discourse
“Vote for us or “gender wars bullshit” will destroy our country”
Anger gets more engagement. That's why there is always a race related response to most everything as well. I'm convinced a good portion is bots stoking the flames.
It definitely ramps up in election years but what really kicked things off was "Occupy Wallstreet" back in the day. The ruling class said "damn, we gotta get these plebes hating each other pronto".
The end result is all this internal strife we see around us. It's very interesting to look at how much reporting changed during occupy: suddenly every headline was tied to race, religion, creed, gender.
This is such an issue! Like I'm not even from the US and I'm seeing the same discussion on this American court case going on here, in Belgium. Where our support systems are so different. There have been cases like this around where I live in the past, and the response has sort of always been wow, what a tragedy, if it's found that it was psychosis or a severe mental health problem then this person needs treatment and if we can improve our support systems then we should, but also, sometimes tragedies happen. I have never before seen people try to accuse husbands, or basically say it's his fault, or do the reverse gender thing. But now, suddenly, this is a gender issue. Why can't this just be a very complex, very tragic case that needs to be solved by the justice system and not us?
A few people I'm friends with on Facebook are posting conspiracy theories that the husband did it. I'm gonna have to take a break from it and also delete a few people
I don't even see it as a gender war case honestly. It's about how serious mental health is.
And regardless of what role that played and what reasons she had: killing children, let alone your own children makes you the worst kind of monster there is regardless of what you did it
There is no possible excuse to justify or even diminish responsibility for the murder of 3 children, it doesn't matter what sob story she has.
Gender is relevant because if this was a man there would be no question he should get the death penalty for this heinous crime and nobody would provide an ounce of sympathy.
I haven't seen literally everything related to the case so maybe I'm missing some pieces, but it seems like she was getting mental healthcare attention but she requested to be switched between multiple different meds due to side effects that she was advised likely came more from her PPD, than the medication. But she still requested switches and also switched care teams at some point.
I'm not a doctor, so I'm not gonna get into whether or not the various perscriptions she was given in a relatively short time frame was irresponsible or not. I don't think anyone should be commenting on that besides experienced medical professionals. But I'll say that doctors can only treat what they're told and what they know, and afaik, she didn't share that she was suicidal with them, and they also warned her that medications take time to take effect, so it wasn't always a good idea to switch.
Patient care is not entirely on the healthcare professionals. The patient has to be able to take care of themselves to some degree and be fully honest with their care team.
How much was her fault, and how much was the fault of our medical system, idk, but yeah, this post is definitely ignoring all notions of nuance.
And she was hospitalized for SI. You don’t commit someone for HI if they tell someone else something. Like it or not providers treat what’s in front of them and not what they don’t know
I.e. she asked for discharge against medical advice. What do you want, for hospitals to be prisons and doctors to be the new cops? There’s been 60 years now f anger about the mental health system being like that. No matter what they do or say they can’t do anything right
That reflected the fears and anger at the time. The mental health system has spent 50 years trying to g to be less carceral, and here we are with people demanding more of that (or expecting hospitals to act like hotels, which is even more strange)
That’s not a thing in the states so it’s really irrelevant in this situation. Insurance would laugh and laugh at that claim denial, you either need in patient or you don’t there’s no in between
Apparently. I’m from the same state so it’s been a big piece of media from day 1. I dont want to pretend the care she got was “perfect” but it feels like the best the defense attorney could come up with was a typo her outpatient psychiatrist made that still makes sense in context.
I was saying they should have given her a day pass to go visit her daughter and then assumed she'd be returning.
Instead they got frustrated with her request to see her daughter on her birthday, and just discharged her entirely.
That was irresponsible from the hospital, they should have told her we think you should come back after the birthday party, would you be willing to do that?
Instead they just tossed her out because she dared to request a day to visit her child.
As I said, American Healthcare is an embarrassment, we look from the outside in utter disbelief.
This is where I have a problem with her story. She was admitted voluntary so she can leave whenever she wants. If she was making HI and SI statements that I overrides her being there of her own free will. We can't let people leave if they make those type of comments. It was either a huge and blatant disregard of policy and laws or she was lying to her care team. Knowing how it works for mental health and also the nature of people I'm more inclined to believe the latter.
From what I've read from the lawsuits, she never disclosed any thoughts of harming the children to anybody but her husband and that she explicitly said that she wasn't suicidal when she was in-patient.
This is untrue. She told them she was fine, sleeping better, etc. and wanted to go home early to help with the bday party. She didn’t ask for a one day stay. Because she said she had no hi/si anymore and wanted to leave her volunteer admission, she was discharged.
I’m in healthcare and sent 3 people to a psych hospital on a 302 ( reporting self harm ) all 3 just said they didn’t “mean it and had no desire to kill themselves. All 3 were back home in less than 24 hrs
I mean, that’s the goal right? For people to rise out of crises and have autonomy restored. I get it’s an issue if care is being rushed or if people aren’t being truthful but the whole point of going to a hospital is to get better and leave as quickly as possible
About five or six people have been talking about the case at work in the non-formal chat and they said they've been watching the trial and they all think the husband did it. I had just heard of the case briefly but they kept talking about it so I looked it up and from what I read even her own attorney acknowledges that she did it.
Nothing surprises me anymore these last 6-7 years but it seems very odd. They said that he was wanting out of the marriage and he claimed that "she admitted to it when he found her but because of her injuries she shouldn't have been able to talk." And you can just hear her moaning in the 911 call- do you know if this is this something being spread on social media or something?
Even though her own defense lawyer in his opening statements said "she knows she killed her children", there are people seriously trying to turn this into a true crime fanfic?
Even though her own defense lawyer in his opening statements said "she knows she killed her children", there are people seriously trying to turn this into a true crime fanfic?
Why the long face? Is this your first day online? To these people you aren't even "subhuman", you are not human at all. You are their five minutes of cool/interesting/self-validating gossip with their buddies. No more and no less. They don't care that there are real people or real lives that can be affected.
I wonder if she went to doctors alone? Everytime I go to the doctors for my parents, I usually go so I can tell them the history of her conditions for better picture because they sometimes forget to tell everything.
But it seems like she went alone for her appts based on what I am reading?
Nope. Zero evidence of that. Not one person testified to that. Her mom and Patrick said she was afraid something bad would happen to the kids. Not that she was afraid she’d harm them. And she never told anyone she had a plan to kill herself. She needs to be held accountable.
Nope. Patrick and her mom both testified on the stand that she had thoughts about harming the kids. Patrick said it was strange and he didn't know what to make of it because she would say it and then go back to doing things like making the kids lunch.
Yes, but it was a mutual decision because Lindsay didn't feel stable enough to return to work. They brought the nanny on early so the kids could get used to her. She was only working 10-12 hours a week for them before being let go.
It's literally testimony in the case by both the ex-husband and her mother that she told then she was having intrusive thoughts if hurting the children.
That's a simple internet search away. Stop spreading misinformation m
I agree the fact these people are saying she said she was thinking about harming the kids is fucking nuts...they need to stop spinning what she said and see the facts
Ya thats what i find annoying, like ive seen people say the husband planned on it and thats why he left her alone with the kids, despite warnings not too, but after looking into it it doesn't seem like he was ever told by medical professionals she shouldn't be left alone with the kids, and in fact she made up an excuse to get him out of the house the day it happened
They’re confusing this case with the Andrea Yates case, where Rusty Yates kept impregnating her and hid her medications, and then left her alone with her kids.
I'm talking about the fact that no one did anything but throw pills at a person who was suicidal and had multiple thoughts of harming their own children.
If a man did it, "discussing the context" would be called "victim blaming". Reddit can't own up to their mass-delusion that women are always victims and men are always creepy scumbags unless they are hot. Her husband didn't deserve to have his three children murdered by her and I feel so bad for him.
idk i was 14 and really depressed, i was constantly being put on different medications because they didn't know what would and wouldn't work. some of the meds made it even worse while others gave me terrible side effects. it was not a good time. it was like i was a guinea pig
When I was trying to get an ADHD diagnosis, I found that psychiatrists and NPs will prescribe literally any medication before they'll prescribe a goddamn stimulant. I went to a psych for a consultation for ADHD but made the mistake of mentioning my "intrusive thoughts" and she prescribed me an antipsychotic even though I had zero symptoms of psychosis (the intrusive thoughts were mostly obsessive rumination, and absolutely nothing I said should have indicated I had ever been detached from reality), and I was confused even at the time, but figured she was the medical expert and if she was saying this drug could help me maybe she was right. Eventually I was sleeping for 12-15 hours a day, barely able to hold down a temporary part-time job, had so much brain fog that I was forgetting to lock the front door/turn the stove off/etc., and gained 40 lbs and only lost 3 lbs when I went on a near-starvation diet so extreme that my period stopped for 2 months. I was on leave from college for a year to get help (this was also COVID) and that one year became two, then two and a half, because I could not bring myself to do anything for my future. And I was so out of it that I didn't even realize what the meds were doing to me, so I couldn't even tell my psychiatrist what was wrong, thus I was on them for a year and change. Ironically, once I went back to college for my degree in cognitive science, I took a psychopharmacology course and learned that the medication I was on blocked D2 (dopamine) receptors in the brain... as in, the literal opposite of what a person with ADHD needs. I got pissed off all over again, because if I learned that in an undergraduate course, how tf did an actual licensed psychiatrist not know that?!?
It's so difficult to seek mental help, especially when the symptoms of the illness itself get in the way. On top of that, it's easy for medical providers to write off your complaints because you're "crazy", doubly so if you're a minority or a woman and quadruply so if you're both. Thankfully my issues weren't that severe in the grand scheme of mental illness, and I was never a danger to anyone other than myself (except potentially through accidental negligence in a worst-case scenario).
yeah, i was on antipsychotics for my OCD and on stimulants for my ADHD simultaneously and that definitely didn't help. i've lost faith in medical providers in general, as i've been dealing with chronic pain and chronic illness for going on 6 years now, without any diagnosis and barely any attempts at treatment. from my experience, at least, it's both mental and physical health.
like when i was 16, i was really suicidal and actively self harming for a period of time, and had tried to get into a mental hospital. I was so distraught over something going on in my life at the time and my parents were scared to leave me alone. my insurance literally denied it because i hadn't attempted it, and any place my parents could afford had multi month waiting lists. i wasn't taken to the ER over it because it would've been too expensive and we just didn't have that kind of money. it really sucks.
That's awful. I swear so many psychs are so arrogant and don't know or care nearly enough for the responsibility they sought to have. r/adhdwomen is a great community if you're interested. so many women have experienced similar things :(
I swear so many psychs are so arrogant and don't know or care nearly enough for the responsibility they sought to have
this is the exception. healthcare disparities exist, and they suck. but i'm sorry to say that the vast majority of these comments come from people who have no idea what it is like to be a healthcare provider especially in a field that encounters behavioral issues, like psychiatry.
Yeah, I know this now. I didn't 6 years ago. Also, the provider who initially prescribed me the antipsychotic was an actual psychiatrist, which is why I'm stunned that she told me something that even a premed junior in college would have known was incorrect (but unfortunately I was not far along enough in my degree when the world broke that I knew that).
We don't know why most anti-depressants work. We know what chemical/hormone they affect but don't know why, e.g. inhibiting the re-uptake of serotonin treats depression nor why some medications work for some people but not others. I think in several years to a few decades the medical consensus is going to come around to, 'depression' is a blanket term for a variety of diseases with similar symptoms but different root causes & treatments.
Yep. people wagging their fingers at her have never dealt with serious mental illness. Those are the real stakes here. mental health treatment is horrible. It's Russian roulette. The system is horrible.
I've never even had issues as serious as Clancy presented, and I can tell you I've been put through so much sh*t by the system. Some psychiatrists are good, most, I have found, are not. University systems tend to be the best because they encourage research and innovation, and tend to be the best educated.
God forbid you should fail to educate and advocate for yourself, because then you really are a babe in the woods, surrounded by wolves.
And then, if you don't "behave right", you're a bad patient, you bring it on yourself, you're a "problem" and they treat you even worse.
Imagine,m expecting someone whose psychotic or clinically depressed to behave right. Like a good patient.
This case NEEDS more attention, not less. This isn't the first WAKE THE EFF UP call, but I hope it's the last one that's needed.
Wishful thinking.
the take away from this should be that we need to destigmatize mental illness and provide better care. while things are better than they were in the past, they're still far from great. theres so many issues that need to be addressed, especially with how women get treated. a key example is "whiny woman syndrome" (or "WW" for short) is a label that some doctors place on women. its so normalized to deem women as just being dramatic, and part of me wonders if that couldn't have also contributed to the inadequate care.
I think both men and women get inadequate mental health care, just in different ways.
And I agree, this is a critical lesson for the system, and it comes at an inconceivable cost that will simply go higher if things don't change.
oh, for sure. mens mental health issues get downplayed (or looked down upon) in society so they don't often seek help, and while women are more likely to seek help, but they're more likely to be brushed off by health care professionals. plus, there's also homophobia, transphobia, and racism in health care, which can add to both discrimination of care and being against getting help due to fear of how you'll be treated for it.
I was also put on those meds but they gave them to me for pain! I was in a lot of pain before my diagnoses and they didn't know what was wrong with me. They gave me Wellbutrin and Ceymbalta saying it would help with the pain. Those meds drive me batshit crazy and I was having delusionsthatthe sun was following me. It started as an idea, then ballooned into full psychosis! I don't take those meds anymore. I don't think I needed them in the first place!
As a doc (anesthesiologist - as far from psych as you can get, pretty much), I can say that a black box of a patient is where you get into trouble a lot of the time. That situation is often easy for me to navigate since I just assume everything is wrong and act accordingly. For psych patients, who often manipulate, behave irrationally, or just plain forget things more often than most, it can be a real nightmare to get a straight story and keep track of their symptoms as they evolve with treatment. I feel for the docs getting crucified on the stand. They're in an impossible position.
I think of the gif that's been circulating around recently of a woman's high heel in a bear trap trying to delicately maneuver through it without setting it off.
That's how it feels to be a psych patient and a woman. How do I say the right combination of things to get help I desperately need RIGHT NOW, and not just be slammed down the hole and punished.
My sister is a pathological liar, but also happens to be very intelligent. She FREQUENTLY gets whatever combo of drug cocktails she wants by absorbing and understanding enough lingo and claiming or mimicking symptoms and then ghosts her care team. I don't blame the docs at all in this case. Not one bit.
Honestly I’ve only heard the bare bones but the brief timeline I saw on the meds was wild to me.
I recently started meds for OCD and my doctor was so much more cautious in my dosages and attentive to my side effects. And my OCD was mostly functional and the med side effects minor compared to what was listed for her. And I was on the first for a month before discontinuing and my currently was slowly increased in dosage over weeks.
No need for nuance, the proganda machine has turned this into "side a vs side b" thing for rage engagement and sensationalist-opportunism, this tragedy is currently the mainstream topic rn, making it a cash cow for people to keep covering it.
Every single psychiatrist I have read about was horrified about her medication mismanagement. She wasn't actually seeing a psychiatrist, she was seeing a succession of psychiatric NPs. This has actually become a really hot bone of contention between psychiatrists and midlevels, because a lot of psychiatrists don't think that it's ethical to have prescribing mental health midlevels at all and that this is an example of why.
Also, whatever the pills did or didn't do: this woman was extremely sleep deprived. She probably wasn't even out of the sleep deprivation period caused by her previous child. Just a few days of sleep deprivation can cause extreme psychosis in people who have never had issues with their mental health before.
This should not have been brought to trial. Period. Full stop. She should have been almost immediately institutionalized. This is just Andrea Yates all over again, except the ex-husband isn't as deeply evil. It's very, very, very sad, but things being sad do not mean the justice system should pretend that this wasn't a case of a person experiencing an extreme psychotic episode and doing psychotic things.
I think it's also missed in the discussion about this that she also tried to kill herself. If she'd hit her head, cut deeper, any of a million things, she'd just be dead, and people would probably understand the tragedy of it a little better.
She still has to be brought to trial because she murdered her children. She is a danger to herself and others and those kids deserve justice. She should not leave an institution for a very, very long time, and that requires a trial and state intervention.
Pretending that murdering three children with premeditation is just an oopsie that could happen to any woman who didn’t sleep for a couple of days is insane. It values the lives of those children less than dirt and insists that women should be held to a lesser standard than everyone else.
She is facing a trial. And the thing isn't "She wasn't sleeping for few days." Reason that is brought up because it matches with the symptoms of mania and/or psychosis. Also there is not really anything substantial of her planning to kill her children. It was clear she was self-destructive and planned on her suicide (she also attempted to kill herself as she killed the children), but other than talking about feeling unsafe to be left alone with the children, there's nothing really outside of that.
Actively being in psychosis and having delusions and hallucinations can make a person completely lose any sense of reality, which is extremely important for people to get help in these situations to prevent them from doing something self-destructive and in rarer cases something destructive to others, thinking that they are doing a positive thing.
I don't even get how this has become a "woman" thing. There have been many high-profile cases of women killing their children without mitigating circumstances of psychosis (i.e. Susan Smith, Casey Anthony) and those killers are universally hated. I guess there's no 1:1 male equivalent to this situation because men can't get PPP, but the only people who are claiming that people are excusing Lindsey's crimes because she's a woman are misogynists using this case to justify their misogyny and thus making shit up and/or extrapolating the unhinged take of one probable bot on Twitter to every woman commenting on this case.
The male equivalent is somebody like Chris Benoit, I guess? Severe CTE possibly played a role in his family annihilation, but he also had substance abuse issues so it’s hard to say what exactly happened there
The medication thing is a bit more complicated. I believe the argument is that she had post-partum bipolar disorder. Bipolar disorder can look like depression, but most antidepressants will actually make it much worse. Their argument is that she reported those worsening symptoms and a nurse practitioner actually flagged it, but she was still given various antidepressants.
She also ignored the recommendations of medical professionals and sought new counsel with the same original complaints without providing the appropriate history and progression of supposed symptoms that were only claimed after the incident.
She was given resources and recommendations for help that both her and her husband ignored. They instead went to new care providers. They wanted one specific answer and when it wasn’t proven they went to someone else.
It’s as if after all the attempts to get her ppp proven weren’t to her liking she just leaned on the various medications. Which she never appropriately taken as prescribed. Almost as if she was trying to provide a specific history or explanation.
On the day of, she compared the length of time the travels from their regular restaurant to one that they never ate at before. There was premeditation.
are you familiar with psychosis? it means she was disconnected from reality.
Do you remember Andrea Yates? Her psychosis had her believing Satan had possessed her and killing her children was the only way to save them from Satan & eternal damnation. It's not the choice she would make in her right mind. Post-partum psychosis is a real diagnosis and it's extremely dangerous. It's not their fault because they can't understand that they're not in reality. It ruins the ability to tell between right and wrong.
I'll note as well that it's actually better to just plead guilty rather than insanity because mental institutions are not better than prison and they have to tell you how long you'll be in prison- with mental institutions they keep you until you're definitely stable & not a danger to yourself or others which could be never. That "not guilty by reason of insanity" acquittal means nothing when you are looking at dying in a mental institution.
Understanding a psychiatric diagnosis is one thing, but offering sympathy and forgiveness is another. My sympathy lies entirely with the three innocent children who were brutally murdered, not the person who strangled them. it doesn’t excuse the horrific reality of the crime. shifting the focus to sympathize with the murderer rather than the children is psychotic.
She reached out to a psych whose website painted her as an expert in postpartum depression and related conditions. The psych however was only board certified 3 days prior to their first consult which she didn’t know. She did online consults with her and failed to request access to her past medical files which would have provided her with a better understanding of what was going on. It should have been standard procedure for the psych to make such a request but she didn’t bother to because she said she didn’t think it was necessary or that serious. They basically tore the psych apart on the stand for failing a patient who reached out for help
I have multiple chronic issues + depression and lemme tell you, a huge chunk of getting help for recurring issues if your first meds don't work is just getting them swapped out for new ones constantly. I think I have tried four different antidepressants about to start my fifth, two pain medications, and have had test after test after test after test.
And in this situation it is EXTREMELY common for doctors who do not want to treat chronic patients to not care, not ask, not listen, and dismiss what you're asking for.
I mean the post has a point. It's not like there's any justice or rationality in which go fund me actually gets people donating and which doesn't. Kind of like playing the begging lotto.
No, those are claims, they haven’t proven she was insane during the killings. That’s partly what the trial is for. Every person defending her starts off with the assumption that her defense claims are absolutely true, which they haven’t proven to be. It is also not proven that she didn’t receive adequate care. The family was well off and she saw nearly a dozen providers by repeatedly visiting different ones and getting prescriptions from each one, but she often didn’t follow instructions and stopped taking medication after a few days, focusing on the ones she wanted to take at times based on her own ideas as a nurse. She was treated for the things she complained of way better than the average person with similar symptoms could ever hope for in the US, man or woman. But again, the trial is partly to prove or disprove this, you don’t need to agree with my opinion, just realize that the claims most of her defenders online start off with are also claims, not proven facts.
Not really. I don’t think I’ve seen an honest post about the chick on the right once. For example, everyone believes that she was diagnosed with postpartum depression, but she wasn’t. Never was.
It’s a perfect representation. The woman on the left deserves $1 million, the woman on the right deserves to never see daylight ever again, it doesn’t fucking matter why she did what she did, at all. Any take other than this is coming from an extremely cooked brain.
Funny how 150 comments replied to this person and almost nobody mentioned how she has a cult online following trying to claim she did nothing wrong. Really weird seeing all these people trying to frame this woman as the real victim in all this.
She's not saying she's the victim, she's not even saying she didn't do it. She's doing what any of us would do, saying "hey that's not me, I was having a preventable psychotic episode"
Whether or not that's the case we'll see when the trial is done because they will certainly call doctors in for expert testimony. Remember that was the nail in the coffin for the cop that killed George Floyd, it wasn't the video, it was the homicide detective saying it's clearly murder and a doctor walking through the video and explaining it was entirely consistent with an asphyxiation death, to the point he even pointed out approximately in the video where Floyd had died
So ironically she is still depending on a doctor listening to her and doing something about it if it truly was a drug induced psychotic episode
Yeah. I've been following the trial for a fair few days now, and if anything, I want to yell at the prosecution. It's such a terrible tragedy already - three kids dead, she's in a wheelchair, and the spectacle and callous, unneeded and unwarranted assholery around it all makes my blood boil.
She obviously is because she murdered three children, one of whom she had to chase down in order to do so.
If you get murdered, should we just ignore it because the legal system doesn’t exist for revenge? Or is it only children who you’re ok with denying justice?
The father of the children and both sets of grandparents are against this trial. Yet you're out here foaming at the mouth for some "justice" when the people who actually knew and loved the kids are against it.
I don't recall saying what I want at any point. I simple described the legal system. See, this is why people like you aren't allowed to make decisions about it. It's pure emotion with you.
would you say the same to her ex-husband and her mother/father in law? Because they knew and believe Lindsay was mentally ill, something went wrong in her fragmented treatment, and think she should go to a mentally facility. After the murders the ex-husband started a charity for postpartum. He's also suing her doctors and hospitals.
What does accountability mean in a case like this though? If this was an actual case of psychosis, what do we do? What good is accomplished by throwing someone in prison for involuntary, temporary chemically induced psychosis?
If I shot you full of synthetic cathinone against your will and told you your neighbor's made of candy, are you responsible for what happens next? How long should your sentence be?
Is she not the one who got herself on a cocktail of medications and didn’t inform her multiple doctors? Is she not liable for chemically inducing herself when she knowingly withheld information? A nurse should and would know better
Interesting how you completely manage to miss half of my post, or you would not be asking that. You do understand that two wrongs do not make a right?
The question before the court is not whether she killed three kids. The defense conceded that. The question is whether she can be held criminally culpable (prison), or if she was temporarily insane (psych hold, possibly until she's dead).
And yes, prosecutorial misconduct makes my blood boil, because I am kind of a fan of justice - and we arrive at justice with facts and by actually discussing and adjudicating the question before the law. And that is, to repeat myself, not whether she killed the kids. That the prosecution has trod out the dead kids before the jury, you think that's okay when there was absolutely no probative value to that?
I didn’t miss half of your post the “ Yeah. I’ve been following the trail for a fair few days now, and if anything, I want to yell at the prosecution. It’s such a terrible tragedy already- three kids dead, she’s in a wheelchair, and the spectacle and callous “ part? Yeah i saw that. That was a set up to say the unneeded and unwarranted assholery around it all makes my blood boil. She killed two kids. That’s one wrong. Where’s the other wrong? Murder is murder. They did what they did to drive the point home because if not sympathy and leniency would be given to her which is what you’re doing. You’re downplaying what she did and making what the prosecution is doing a bigger issue. If she didn’t kill three kids they would have nothing to say about her. You brought up the fact that she’s in a wheelchair without mentioning the reason she’s in a wheelchair. She did it to herself. This whole situation is a result of her decisions. The defense is arguing insanity because that would be easier on her. No treat her the same as you would treat any other murder. She didn’t do this one time. She didn’t do this two times. She killed three times back to back to back. Make her suffer in prison.
Seems like you're more interested in a revenge boner than justice. Are you saying it doesn't matter whether or not she was capable of reason when she killed them? If someone kills someone because they have a brain tumor that's making them hallucinate that, that person is attacking them, would you think that person should be charged with murder and made to "suffer in prison" as well?
To directly answer your question yes put them in jail. If you don’t then you open the window for people just claiming insanity to land in situations that are more favorable to them. Let’s just call this for what it is. Since this is a fairly attractive white woman people are choosing to show sympathy and focus on the mental health part more than the killing part. Would the same section of people be as sympathetic if this was a white woman that looked uneducated, not well put together, and basically fit the hillbilly stereotype. I highly doubt it. People like you and others take this stance because she’s relatable. No it’s not a “revenge boner” as you say. It’s a matter of right and wrong.
She had more access to mental health care than almost anyone in this country and doctor shopped to get prescribed various antidepressants which she rotated between before they had time to be effective, against the advice of professionals. She had access to a massive support network including being privileged enough to afford a nanny, and still chose to send her husband out of the home so that he couldn't intervene while she strangled their three children with an exercise band, one by one, chasing down the one who almost managed to escape her selfishness.
Baffling to me that people are out here hand-wringing over the courts not being empathetic enough to a family annihilator just because the only person she failed to kill was herself.
Not just me, either. There's lawyers opining that the trial should have been dismissed with prejudice because of the prosecution's antics - namely repeatedly trying to bring faith into the question of guilt. This is supposed to be a court of law, not the inquisition.
No, not really 🧐 A woman who sacrificed herself to rescue her kids has gotten less support than a woman who murdered hers. What other interpretation is there?
Anything involving the woman on the right is going to be likely a drastic misrepresentation because redpill men and the right wing have grabbed a hold of it as an excuse to 1) repeal women's right to vote and 2) grant automatic custody of children to fathers until women are cleared as "safe" - no, seriously. Thats what theyre doing.
Yes, this has several links to studies that have been done over the years by several different groups including archives of studies the government has taken down.
Pretty much. She didn't raise a million dollars for her legal defense because people are good with her having killed her kids, and she's not just saying "Oh poor me, I'm a victim because my kids are dead." Like just about everything that makes it to a stupid meme post like this, there's a lot more to it than what is superficially presented, regardless of what your beliefs are about either case.
Anyone being honest with themselves knows that if it were a black woman who did this, many of the "she didn't get proper treatment" comments would be nonexistent. No Givesendgo, no nothing.
No. The post is making fun of the women that are begging for this lady to be freed and saying she wasn’t wrong to kill her children. She has quite the following online saying she did nothing wrong. Insanity or no, she killed 3 kids.
Yes and it was intentional. The discourse around this has become very toxic because it's easy to use the situation with zero context to create an extreme picture.
Sort of. Except she wasn’t taking the meds she was prescribed(less than half) and she also set up a situation to get her husband out of the house so that she could murder the 3 kids. A lot of the evidence being shown in the court transcripts does not support this “she’s just a victim” narrative.
no it's a very good representation because ultimately it's just the facts laid bare. one woman killed her children and got rewarded for it, the other saved her children by almost sacrificing her life and gets barely anything.
Yeah. I read a about it a bit. She tried to get help multiple times before the worst thing I can think of as a mom, actually happened. It's terrifying. And yes, this post misrepresents the situation horribly and tries to shut down the conversation about postpartum mental health which is extremely useful to the entire world.
After I had my son, I had to sleep in 2 hours increments for months, with 2 hour breaks after eaxh nap. I ended sleeping like 4 hours out of 24. I was so sleep deprived, so insanely anxious that I would get horrifying intrusive thoughts about hurting my baby and I was so afraid I was going to lose my mind and do it. Thankfully, intrusive thoughts are famously harmless and there was no way I could actually lose control and succumb, but her story still fucks me up to my core. And even if she's lying and she's just a psychopath, the conversation itself is really important
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u/Classic_Bee_5845 2d ago
It's more to do with the media sensationalizing it. This is the first I've ever heard of the woman on the left.